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作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-2-19 19:41
标题: 各位大侠来讨论如何攻克代词问题
2         关于代词指代,是个难点。大家来讨论一下,看能否解决这个难点



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         以上是总结的语法区关于代词的一些问题,大家可尝试的解答一下,或归纳一下。看合大家之力,可否找到对付代词的办法。


         大家在解答分析这些帖子的时候,最好把题目复制下来,然后在我这个帖子下面跟帖,这样跟帖可形成一个总体的比较,有利于大家归纳代词这个知识点,谢谢大家了





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作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-2-19 20:01
我先来, 以下是引自fern的提问,和我的一些总结:


OG-234.                         The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.






(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye






(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible






(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it






(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisibleA






(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible



代词.非划线部分的enables it to senseIT指什么呢,应该是EYE,可是代词不是不可以指代修饰成分中的名词吗, The physical structure of the human eye中的EYE应该是修饰成分吧?



             个人观点:it指代eye肯定没错,没听说代词不可以指代修饰成分中的名词的说法,请大家指点


    


        此处有个关于代词的总结:ETS允许同一代词的主格和物主形式指代不同的对象(its it)


         这个句子里,it指代eye,its指代infrared radiation's


            


         类似的例子可见:大全366


366. In an effort to reduce their inventories, Italian vintners have cut prices; their wines have been priced to sell, and they are.
(C) are priced to sell, and they do



    






    


作者: lltas    时间: 2004-2-19 22:43
代词.非划线部分的enables it to sense的IT指什么呢,应该是EYE吧,可是代词不是不可以指代修饰成分中的名词吗, The physical structure of the human eye中的EYE应该是修饰成分吧?


    


             个人观点:it指代eye肯定没错,没听说代词不可以指代修饰成分中的名词的说法,请大家指点






我也听说代词不可以指代修饰成分中的名词,比如 文中出现 Mike's bike 的话, 就不能用he 来指代Mike了;我在第一次看这题时也产生和fern一样的疑问。是不是用of引导的修饰成分中的名词不在此例,或者"代词不可以指代修饰成分中的名词的说法"根本就不成立?

另:能否解释一下366?题的意思也不明白。谢谢。


    


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-2-19 23:17
366就是og129,og解释很清楚
作者: donna    时间: 2004-2-19 23:30
太好了,大家一起讨论!!!


作者: ecsniffer    时间: 2004-2-20 00:20
dreadpower gg的建议先顶一下再来讨论
作者: ios    时间: 2004-2-20 08:54
以下是引用dreadpower在2004-2-19 20:01:00的发言:

此处有个关于代词的总结:ETS允许同一代词的主格和物主形式指代不同的对象(its it)



         这个句子里,it指代eye,its指代infrared radiation's



                 类似的例子可见:大全366



呵呵,这两个例子都是用分号分割的两个句子哦。


如果是一个句子,“ETS允许同一代词的主格和物主形式指代不同的对象(its it)”,这种说法????


作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-2-20 22:32
         恩,楼上的说的有道理,大家有什么例子吗??


             还有,大家不要只讨论一个题目,上面每个帖子都有题目,请大家发表看法


作者: ecsniffer    时间: 2004-2-20 23:34
来回答一个自己以前的疑问



关于 A of B,后面的代词可不可以指代B的问题,现经确定是可以的。


OG234就是一个很好的例子


    234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.



(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye



(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible



(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it



(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible



(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible



the key: A。这里的it就指代the human eye。



另一例:og227



    227. Judicial rules in many states require that the identities of all prosecution witnesses are made known to defendants so they can attempt to rebut the testimony, but the Constitution explicitly requires only that the defendant have the opportunity to confront an accuser in court.



(A) that the identities of all prosecution witnesses are made known to defendants so they can attempt to rebut



(B) that the identities of all prosecution witnesses be made known to defendants so that they can attempt to rebut



(C) that the defendants should know the identities of all prosecution witnesses so they can attempt a rebuttal of



(D) the identities of all prosecution witnesses should be made known to defendants so they can attempt rebutting



(E) making known to defendants the identities of all prosecution witnesses so that they can attempt to rebut



the key:B。



看og解释:



Choices C and E awkwardly place the plural noun witnesses between the plural pronoun they and its referent, defendants.



说明这个they完全可以指代witnesses。



再来一例:


OG:90





90.         Since 1986, when the Department of Labor began to allow investment officers’ fees to be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations began paying their investment advisers a small basic fee, with a contract promising higher fees if the managers perform well.


(A) investment officers’ fees to be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations began


(B) investment officers’ fees to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations began


(C) that fees of investment officers be based on how the funds they manage perform, several corporations have begun


(D) fees of investment officers to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations have begun


(E) that investment officers’ fees be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations began


the key: D。D中的they指代investment officers。


欢迎指正!





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作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-2-21 10:10
         以下引自美人鱼的帖子:


13.    A    majority    of    the    international    journalists    surveyed    view    nuclear    power    stations    as    unsafe    at    present    but    that    they    will,    or    could,    be    made    sufficiently    safe    in    the    future.
(A)    that    they    will,    or    could,
(B)    that    they    would,    or    could,
(C)    they    will    be    or    could
(D)    think    that    they    will    be    or    could
(E)    think    the    power    stations    would    or    could





答案D,虽然E中没有代词that,但是在这里不怕指代不清楚吗?如果加上that,是不是E更好呢?


         这个问题,我的个人看法是:代词指代只按句子逻辑意思来,也就是先默认无指代错误,然后看D和E哪个好。深层次的来看,假设D中的they指代有歧义,用the    power    stations    代替,那么代入原句读一下,是不是很累赘呢???


再看,21.    A    proposal    has    been    made    to    trim    the    horns    from    rhinoceroses    to    discourage    poachers;    the    question    is    whether    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    and    see    rhinoceroses    after    their    horns    are    trimmed.
(A)    whether    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    and    see    rhinoceroses    after    their    horns    are
(B)    whether    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    to    see    one    once    their    horns    are
(C)    whether    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    to    see    rhinoceroses    once    the    animals’    horns    have    been
(D)    if    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    and    see    rhinoceroses    once    the    animals’    horns    are
(E)    if    tourists    will    continue    to    visit    game    parks    to    see    one    after    the    animals’    horns    have    been


这里答案是C。还是指代不清和清楚的问题。ETS真的是琢磨不透。在这里有开始介意指代不清楚的问题了。


各位发表下意见。除了明显的语法错误之外,怎么样排除指代不清楚的问题。


     这个问题我觉得C中没有任何指代不清的问题。


     总结:我做题目的时候,就是默认无指代错误,或者说所有代词按逻辑意思指代,看有无其他不同,发现几乎所有题目都不可能只考代词歧义!!深层次考虑,假设ETS只考代词歧义,那么肯定是说不清正确答案的,因为本来就是歧义,怎么能考呢?


作者: snow_mountain    时间: 2004-2-21 10:59
关于上面两题,同意楼上看法。



我的总结是:就用代词还是有重复原来名词的问题。代词的指代问题会受到很多情况的影响,如平行原则,就近原则,从句主语优先指代主句主语原则。不能说代词用法受哪一个单一原则影响。


比如上面power station 的例子。我的看法是:power station 可以不用补出。因为受平行原则的影响。看一个OG的例子:



OG-248 By offering lower prices and a menu of personal communications options, such as caller identification and voice mail, the new telecommunications company has not only captured customers from other phone companies but also forced them to offer competitive prices.



(B)         has not only captured customers from other phone companies, but it also     forced them    



(C)         has not only captured customers from other phone companies but also forced these companies        



    



不讨论B中but it also 的问题。 OG中提到C中them 的指代问题。认为指代不明。因为前面有from other phone companies, 这个them好像可以指代other companies, 但是ETS不这么认为!个人认为是这条题目平行原则起了更重要的作用。not only capture the    customers.......... but also force them...... 这里优先指代customers. 这就解释了21题中为什么可以不用重复power station 的原因。


    


关于重复原有名词,我认为本身并没有什么错误,即使是没有指代不明的情况下重复。比如:horns 的那题,主要是因为表示目的一定要用to do, 把visit 和see 并列起来,歪曲了愿意。



    



    








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作者: ecsniffer    时间: 2004-2-21 14:36
同意bryony的平行原则和从句主语优先指代主句主语原则!


bryony,就近原则能不能举个例子来看看~~~


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作者: ecsniffer    时间: 2004-2-21 16:31
刚刚用longman查supersede的意思,发现这个解释中的代词指代真是符合“从句主语优先指代主句主语原则”,赫赫


if a new idea, product, or method supersedes another one, it becomes used instead because it is more modern or effective


作者: snow_mountain    时间: 2004-2-21 18:12
其实就近原则的情况应该还是挺多的。不过有一个例子比较极端,个人认为是就近原则起了一定的作用。


12. The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.fficeffice" />


(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month        


(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month        


(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month            


(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival


(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival     wordy.


    


the key is C. 但是"they" 前面有两个复数Olympic Games and pugnacious states。如果根据从句优先代主句主语的原则,they 好像应该代Olympic Games, 可是意思上又说不通,因为games 不能proclaim.


    


我一直在想,为什么这条题目中,优先原则不起作用了?个人认为可能是就近原则compete with it. 一般来讲,从句放在主句前面还是后面并不是很重要。可是本题不行,只能放在后面。


    


When they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month,the Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world. 这个句子就有问题了,they 不受任何其他名词影响,只能代the olympic games.


    


    


这可能就是代词难的地方,受多条原则影响,而且你很难说那条原则优先于那条原则。


    


其实就这条题目,我对C中的when 是怎么看也不顺眼。when 表示的是一种时间上的关系。感觉本题表达的是一种因果关系。因为这些states 在此期间proclaim sacred truce, 所以奥运会才起到了某种作用。(当....., 奥运会起到了某种作用,感觉就是不爽。)


    


    


    


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-3-24 11:47
此处有个关于代词的总结:ETS允许同一代词的主格和物主形式指代不同的对象(its it)             这个句子里,it指代eye,its指代infrared radiation's
不过dreadpowerGG要注意这里其实是用semicolon分割的两个单独的句子噢。



总结:我做题目的时候,就是默认无指代错误,或者说所有代词按逻辑意思指代,看有无其他不同,发现几乎所有题目都不可能只考代词歧义!!深层次考虑,假设ETS只考代词歧义,那么肯定是说不清正确答案的,因为本来就是歧义,怎么能考呢?



我选择的时候通常看到代词就无比警惕,先将其列为重点监控检查对象,通常能立马删除几个干扰选项,然后再用其它答题点最终确认答案


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-3-24 12:15
关于CZ的这一题:


有关第一题:
The rules that govern political contributions are less stringent in local elections than they are in national elections because they typically involve smaller amounts of money and present less opportunity for abuse.


第二个 they 在逻辑上是 local elections, 在语法上是 rules. [/face]



事实上这是某一题的错误答案,该题正确的选项是E:


The rules that govern political contributions are less stringent in local elections than they are in national elections because local elections typically involve smaller amounts of money and present less opportunity for abuse。这样就解决了cz的问题


作者: zsy020584    时间: 2011-6-15 09:23
你的分析非常的正确,ETS给出的关于奥利匹克那题答案是D。 确实是因果关系,你的分析太透彻了!




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