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标题: 求助LSAT argument一题,苦思不得其解 [打印本页]

作者: lawseeker    时间: 2008-12-26 01:30
标题: 求助LSAT argument一题,苦思不得其解

12.   “Though they soon will, patients should not have a legal right to see their medical records. As a doctor, I see two reasons for this. First, giving them access will be time-wasting because it will significantly reduce the amount of time that medical staff can spend on more important duties, by forcing them to retrieve and return files. Second, if my experience is anything to go by, no patients are going to ask for access to their records anyway.”

Which one of the following, if true, establishes that the doctor’s second reason does not cancel out the first?

(A) The new law will require that doctors, when seeing a patient in their office, must be ready to produce the patient’s records immediately, not just ready to retrieve them.

(B) The task of retrieving and returning files would fall to the lowest-paid member of a doctor’s office staff.

(C) Any patients who asked to see their medical records would also insist on having details they did not understand explained to them.

(D) The new law does not rule out that doctors may charge patients for extra expenses incurred specifically in order to comply with the new law.(E) Some doctors have all allowing their patients access to their medical records, but those doctors’ patients took no advantage of this policy.

答案是A,为什么呢?



作者: 若老爷    时间: 2008-12-26 15:45
我也没看懂。看了半天了。。。。。
作者: 若老爷    时间: 2008-12-26 15:48

应该是first和second中间需要A答案才能解决医患之间的病例处理的矛盾吧。


作者: xu5205    时间: 2009-1-1 14:21
A? C不对吗?

作者: wwwcom    时间: 2009-1-2 02:36

If doctors, when seeing a patient in their office, must be ready to produce the patient’s records immediately,

then giving patients access will not significantly reduce the amount of time that medical staff can spend on more important duties.


作者: jameshoo    时间: 2009-4-7 12:01

First, let's look at the stimulus. 

The "first reason" actually makes a hidden assumption that the doctor will be requested by the patients or otherwise triggered to show the medical records.  The "second reason" then defeats part (but not all of) such assumption by saying that the patients will not make such requests.  So, in order to prevent the second reason to totally cancel out, or in other words to discredit, the first reason, we have to establish that the assumption of the first reason still stands, i.e., patients' request does not constitute the SOLE trigger for the doctor to show the medical records. 

"A" is the right answer because if it is true, then the law, instead of or in addition to the patients' request, is a trigger for the doctor to show the med records.


作者: iamxin    时间: 2009-4-22 00:59

第一次回答问题,如有不对请原谅!本人是菜鸟。

看到有英文的解释,觉得没说到问题本质(也可能是我没理解),试着解答一下。

该题的问题是:在那种选项下,医生的第二个理由不会与第一个理由冲突。因为如果第二个理由成立,即没病人要记录,那么第一个理由中的所谓浪费宝贵时间就不成立了。所以选项A正确,因为如果医生必须提前准备病人记录(不论病人是否提要求),那么时间就浪费掉了。

以上看法欢迎指正。

另,本人在北京,预考今年12月的lsat,希望结交志同道合的战友。


作者: catreek    时间: 2009-5-6 23:24
如果A成立,病人在看病的时候就能拿到病例,这样就没有病人过后会去要病例,即第二条理由成立,但是第一条理由也没有被推翻
作者: zhu8pi    时间: 2009-5-7 10:15
理由一 怕很多人来要求病例浪费时间
理由二 根据经验不会有很多人来并要求病例...
没什么人来为什么又怕很多人来呢?两者显然矛盾...

但如果以下条件成立
不管有没有人要求,只要人来了,医生都得准备好病例。

这样逻辑就通了。



作者: crusoecrusoe    时间: 2009-5-7 15:41

这道题似乎问的很多。

题型是解释题,出题是根据“二律背反”。

两条规律都各自必然成立,但二者却又不可避免的相互矛盾。

本文是解释题中的解释矛盾(还有的是解释现象),只要在不同的情况下(层面),进行逻辑的配置,矛盾便是自然解除。


作者: kbsred    时间: 2009-8-6 12:17
not that complicate.
this is just about 2 duties in two reasons:
doctor's duty and medical staff's duty
A) new law requests both duties to be done.

作者: xzhou25    时间: 2009-8-6 15:24

12.   “Though
they soon will, patients should not have a legal right to see their
medical records. As a doctor, I see two reasons for this. First, giving
them access will be time-wasting because it will significantly reduce
the amount of time that medical staff can spend on more important
duties, by forcing them to retrieve and return files. Second, if my
experience is anything to go by, no patients are going to ask for
access to their records anyway.”

Which one of the following, if true, establishes that the doctor’s second reason does not cancel out the first?

(A)
The new law will require that doctors, when seeing a patient in their
office, must be ready to produce the patient’s records immediately, not
just ready to retrieve them.

(B) The task of retrieving and returning files would fall to the lowest-paid member of a doctor’s office staff.

(C)
Any patients who asked to see their medical records would also insist
on having details they did not understand explained to them.

(D)
The new law does not rule out that doctors may charge patients for
extra expenses incurred specifically in order to comply with the new
law.

(E)
Some doctors have all allowing their patients access to their medical
records, but those doctors’ patients took no advantage of this policy.


This is truly a great abstract question and its prolly gonna be one of the hardest LR questions you'll ever see on the test. First, you'd have to identify the foundamental conflict between reason one and reason two. Reason one states that it is going to be a waste of time for doctors to retrieve the documents while reason two says there won't be anyone ask for the records. Well, if no one is going to ask for the records, there will not be any waste of time right? Therefore, the two reasons conflict each other. Lets look at choice A now, if the doctors need to get the medical records ready all the time, meaning they can't just go retrieve it upon request, then the doctors will have to "waste time". The conflict is then solved and both reasons will be valid.


作者: clifford_a    时间: 2009-8-7 01:00

I agree with  jameshoo and  xzhou25

excellent response.


作者: kbsred    时间: 2009-8-8 11:15
Well, I don't agree.
In the test, you don't have time to do so complicate thinking.
If you find out the assumption for the first reason, then ..., you will take more than 2 minutes whatsoever.

It is simple. In the question stem, the reason 2 cancels out reason 1, if you ignore the word reason, it is actually a simple argument, with reason 1 as premise and reason 2 as conclusion. You will easily see they are talking about 2 different issues, logically wrong. reason 1 is about medical stuff's duty, reason 2 is about doctor, nobody asking him, so it is strengthen question. the answer must talk about the doctor and the duty.

作者: blueflower86    时间: 2009-8-8 11:23

这道题目我是昨天晚上遇到的:)

我认为E选项,虽然是cancel out reason1, but doesn't establish the Reason2.

A选项,准备好病人的记录。那么就是医生遵照这个规定,那么病人不用提出要求也可以看到病例。

而law本身是对reason1的反对。

我是这么理解而选出A的。






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