我的2008,中国-法国-西班牙-英国-希腊-新加坡-印尼-黎巴嫩
MBA:法国-新加坡
实习:英国
旅游:西班牙-希腊-印尼巴厘岛、民丹岛
活动:中国-黎巴嫩
12月20号回国。
后话:
致XX,
想您也是意气风发的栋梁之才,中学毕业自沪负笈西游,就读瑞士圣加伦,任职于欧洲知名大公司,又获Insead之MBA,入全球top5之Bxxx咨询公司,精通德语、法语。对你的所作所为,我只有两个假设,第一你当时心智不甚健全,处于insane状态;第二你在完全清醒之状态所为。如果是第一种状态也罢,法律都无法追究。第二种条件下,你也许视Bxxx公司甚为牛x,看不得我等IT民工进去,您当初真是太高看我了,以我有何才何德跟您竞争;或许你出于对Bxxx的深爱,眼里容不得沙子,看到我在本帖把B公司写作tier 2,毅然向您英籍老板举报,以表你忠心,殊不知此等之举也令您洋大人厌烦,言语之中已有所表示。谨此忠告:ZH学长,此等见不得阳光的下作事,以后还是少做为佳,尤其身为咨询精英。如此家丑,我初实在不愿为外人道也,惟恐伤害母校之清誉。无奈你所做所为甚为过份,不揭露你恐别人再受伤害。能发现你要感谢你的英籍老板,以及你的自我暴露。
无耻之徒是没有勇气出来道歉的。。。
Sinocheetah
事件回放:
2008.11: Sino获3个offer, 最终选择B咨询公司,据掉其他两家
2008. 12: Sino开本帖向大家汇报找工作进展,谦称将加入tier-2咨询公司,但并未提及the name of B firm
2008. 12: ZH, an INSEAD Jul 08 class alumnus, working with B firm, quoted this post to his boss: sino said we are tier-2!
2008.12: His boss called Sino and said team members like ZH didn't want to work with people who think B is tier-2 firm. Sino finally quitted the offer.
2009.1: Sino got another job and began to work.
恭喜楼主!
预祝咨询生涯起步顺利!
我的2008,中国-法国-西班牙-英国-希腊-新加坡-印尼-黎巴嫩
MBA:法国-新加坡
实习:英国
旅游:西班牙-希腊-印尼巴厘岛、民丹岛
活动:中国-黎巴嫩
12月20号回国。
恭喜恭喜,你还去过黎巴嫩啊,那边军火生意怎样?北方保利什么的在那里有点么?
到上海一个tier 2的management consultancy去做。就业形势不如往年,60%的中国同学已经找到工作了。黎巴嫩是参加一个celebration活动,现在那里挺peaceful的。
恭喜楼主 !1年多前看到楼主帖子说拿到insead offer了,想不到一晃间楼主都毕业了~~
请教一下楼主insead的课业压力。 很想知道insead的学生平均来说每天在学习上要花多少小时阿?每天可以几点睡觉啊?
好丰富的生活啊
这一年没白活啦~
今年做finance的人都不太好找工作,不光是Insead.
欢迎楼主回来
楼主觉得在insead最大的收获是什末?不知不是不问题很个人化。。。
不过还是要恭喜楼主!
收获了信心,见识到了牛人,了解了不足,交到了朋友。阶段性的收获就是找到了一个不错的实习,毕业时要拿到几个full-time的offer.
Congratulations!!!
陕西人民发来贺电。。。。。
恭喜楼主回到祖国的怀抱!
恭喜恭喜,你还去过黎巴嫩啊,那边军火生意怎样?北方保利什么的在那里有点么?
黎巴嫩人在法国受欢迎得可怕啊,基本都是男高大英俊女浓眉大眼,法语英语阿语流利,都是party animal还都特别有钱。
而且据他们说黎巴嫩哪有仗打啊。。。
经常有各国同学去黎巴嫩玩,回来均赞不绝口,其实来了这边之后才知道黎巴嫩和突尼斯的生活质量高是出了名的,我也想去啊~
赞的 楷模啊 弱弱飘走杀G去~~~~
i didn't join that tier-2 consulting firm finally, partially due to this post. I will tell the story later and expose one mean guy, who is working for that tier-2 firm in SH.
Ironically, they don't think they are tier-2 and actually they are!
不会吧 还能发生这样的事情啊 等待楼主的故事
另外 楼主 我发站内信给你了 请你看一下 多谢!
I have learnt to behave more cautiously in this bbs, as many snipers or silent killers ( "KGB special agents" ) are aiming at you like the mean guy I mentioned. Bear in mind, it's a small world (I like that Disneyland small palace).
I hope he has not been sacked in current hard time.
After all, it's my own decision to first walk away from that tier-2 firm.
I feel especially shamed since that mean guy is an Insead alumnus one class senior than me! What the fxxx! I will elaborate the whole story when I am free.
关注楼主的故事.
I have learnt to behave more cautiously in this bbs, as many snipers or silent killers ( "KGB special agents" ) are aiming at you like the mean guy I mentioned. Bear in mind, it's a small world (I like that Disneyland small palace).
I hope he has not been sacked in current hard time.
After all, it's my own decision to first walk away from that tier-2 firm.
I feel especially shamed since that mean guy is an Insead alumnus one class senior than me! What the fxxx! I will elaborate the whole story when I am free.
这英语写得怎么这么绕啊,还有语法错误!
“I have learnt to behave more cautiously in this bbs”
11个月的时间毕竟还是太短,很多东西还是很难改变的...
这英语写得怎么这么绕啊,还有语法错误!
“I have learnt to behave more cautiously in this bbs”
11个月的时间毕竟还是太短,很多东西还是很难改变的...
这种话说得有意义么?从一个人的一句话来评价一个商学院,有点过分了吧?
何况,我没觉得语法有什么问题啊
楼主的遭遇你恐怕还不清楚,这么轻易就下个否定的结论,目的何在?用意何在?
楼主的情况和这个不大一样。
某些潜伏在这个论坛里的“刺客”,确实有些让人不齿的行为。作为该咨询公司的前员工之一,我对这位刺客的行为感到非常气愤和不满
I am eager to kown which company it is.
That guy and his UK partner viewed their firm as tier-1. They say they don't want to work with any ppl who think they are tier-2...
Although I never disclosed the name of that tier-2, the KGB guy got to know I was saying their firm (they are the only one arranging mid-east celebration tour for those they sent offers). His boss called me, quoted this post and said " that KGB guy doesn't want to work with..." Immediately I wrote an email to quit their offer. I had declined the other two offers before accepting their offer. I would rather become jobless than joining that type of firm and working with that type of guys! Fortunately, I got another offer very soon.
Frankly speaking, I don't like to call my ex-employer tier-2. Admittedly, it is not as great as M/B/B, but still a great one. So technically, I would like to call it a leading consulting firm, or one of the top 5.
Nevertheless, what happens in the forum, stays in the forum. The forum is meant to be a platform for ideas exchange and info sharing. If you don't agree with someone, you can try to argue in the forum, instead of taking actions outside of the forum.
What I feel ashamed is that someone from my ex-employer will try to report what he reads in the forum to the supervisor so that he can get credit for his "loyalty". This is absolutely unacceptable.
This consulting firm has played a critical role in my career and professional development. However, it also has quite a few "development needs". To be more open-minded and be nicer to juniors are on the list. None of the juniors, who joined the firm in the early days when it re-opened China office, is still with the firm. Some very good seniors turn to other career options. This tells us something, right?
When I first said I would join a tier-2 firm in this post, I didn't really mean they were. They are No.1 in Mid-east and very leading in the US, although so far they haven't been doing very well in China (they left and came back again ).It's kind of humbleness most Chinese people tend to have.
If in that firm that kind of mean behaviors is encouraged, how can I expect a good air in the office? Everyone wants to kiss the Ass-H of big boss and gets credit by doing that.The guy may want to get rid of potential competitors and placate his boss as well.He is the only Chinese student of that promotion I didn't know. He never attended any Chinese student gathering there.
All happened five months ago. I lost the job overnight due to this post.Now everything is back on track again.I just want to remind ppl here to take care of "deep throat" and never let ppl know your real id.
可怕 居然有这种事情
祝福楼主 在新公司有更好的发展
天啊,还有这种人?真给Insead丢人啊。
估计以后在你们校友圈时混不下去了。。。
应该它会看到这个帖子吧,不知作何感想,呵呵
这种事也来CD爆料,何况也是LZ一面之辞!具体事实真相也很难判断谁是谁非!
不过,看LZ以前发帖的记录,也并非等闲之辈,呵呵!以前华为做海外市场的,口气狂傲,自以为是,为人还是低调一点为佳!
这种事也来CD爆料,何况也是LZ一面之辞!具体事实真相也很难判断谁是谁非!
不过,看LZ以前发帖的记录,也并非等闲之辈,呵呵!以前华为做海外市场的,口气狂傲,自以为是,为人还是低调一点为佳!
我也猜到了LZ所说的那家公司,的确可以算Global Top 5,但在国内也的确做的不怎么样,而且听说老大特别的Tough。不过LZ现在的Offer其实更好呀,我很向往啊 ...
华为低调,华为的员工一定低调?什么逻辑,呵呵! 我只是评估个体,对公司没有什么看法!
我可以对我说的负责。我发这个帖子的初衷是帮助申请者了解更多关于Insead学生job search的情况,但不幸却被人用来...我的即使高调也是为了帮助大家,又不是show off.
非常希望这位仁兄自己跳出来让我听听两面之辞,与你无冤无仇,又是我的学长,为何做如此下作之事来害人???只能说是江湖险恶,ugly Chinese
你真的很为Insead, 为上海人,为Bxxx公司,为圣加仑大学长脸啊!
一直潜水的出来支持下sinocheetah学长。。。
原来是B***公司哦。。。
关键是小心自己的名字的说。
是啊,干吗要说出来呢
都这么长时间了,郁闷早就过去了。只是想提醒大家在CD上千万要小心,此等人应该不止一个。
咋了
顶楼主
lz算了吧,不要再大肆宣扬这件事了
看得出lz是个很耿直的人,在CD上的一些经验也给了大家不少帮助
但事情已经过去了,得饶人处且饶人
这世界很小的
其实无论是在论坛上,还是日常生活中,大家说话做事都要小心,社会远比学校复杂的多
顶楼主。。楼主是特别愿意在CD分享经验的人,很难得。
小人嘛~就要拿出来expose滴。。偶觉得楼主做的对。。
我的2008,中国-法国-西班牙-英国-希腊-新加坡-印尼-黎巴嫩
MBA:法国-新加坡
实习:英国
旅游:西班牙-希腊-印尼巴厘岛、民丹岛
活动:中国-黎巴嫩
12月20号回国。
后话:
致XX,
想您也是意气风发的栋梁之才,中学毕业自沪负笈西游,就读瑞士圣加伦,任职于欧洲知名大公司,又获Insead之MBA,入全球top5之Bxxx咨询公司,精通德语、法语。对你的所作所为,我只有两个假设,第一你当时心智不甚健全,处于insane状态;第二你在完全清醒之状态所为。如果是第一种状态也罢,法律都无法追究。第二种条件下,你也许视Bxxx公司甚为牛x,看不得我等IT民工进去,您当初真是太高看我了,以我有何才何德跟您竞争;或许你出于对Bxxx的深爱,眼里容不得沙子,看到我在本帖把B公司写作tier 2,毅然向您英籍老板举报,以表你忠心,殊不知此等之举也令您洋大人厌烦,言语之中已有所表示。谨此忠告:ZH学长,此等见不得阳光的事,以后还是少做为佳,尤其身为咨询精英。
Sinocheetah
事件回放:
2008.11: Sino获3个offer, 最终选择B咨询公司,据掉其他两家
2008. 12: Sino开本帖向大家汇报找工作进展,谦称将加入tier-2咨询公司,但并未提及the name of B firm
2008. 12: ZH, an INSEAD alumnus, working with B firm, quoted this post to his boss: sino said we are tier-2!
2008.12: His boss called Sino and said team members like ZH didn't want to work with people who think B is tier-2 firm. Sino finally quitted the offer.
2009.1: Sino got another job and began to work.
太夸张了,这事情搞得,果然是林子大了,什么鸟都有
ZH这种人是万分之一的,在Insead校友中。Insead的绝大多数校友是蛮nice的。大家别因为这件事影响你对Insead的判断。家丑也需要外扬,真的别对top MBA迷信。
在top MC中,我不知道这个比例是多少。
conculsion, a stupid boss and a jerk schoolmate.
shanghainese???........
路过。
做事先做人!
塞翁失马焉知非福,祝LZ事业顺利!
无论在怎样的商学院渡过金,都不代表是一个高尚的人
做人,要做一辈子。
conculsion, a stupid boss and a jerk schoolmate.
shanghainese???........
那个校友是上海人,但应该与地域没什么关系,不团结,背后使绊子是中国人劣根性之一。本该最亲近的人,却伤害你最深,这是让我久久无法释怀的。
我不认为Bxxx公司的工作比现在的要好,估计他们也深受金融危机的影响,本来就没有什么好项目能做。。。塞翁失马的感觉。
I like the word "jerk", one of my Insead professors likes to call himself a jerk...He is the only African professor at Insead.
能认清一个人的真面目,以后不用和他共事,也是一件好事。中国人背后杀人的事件数不胜数,深感悲哀。希望各位海外同仁互相团结,真诚分享成功的快乐。并祝楼主新工作顺利。
看来以后网上写东西都要小心再小心。怎么有这些损人不利已的人?!而且还是受过高等教育,在大企业一路工作下来的人。
贺楼主否极泰来~~~
额。。。一滴汗了 社会上真是形形色色的人都有啊 只能说您那位校友心胸那个狭隘呀 那个幼稚呀
我觉得这样也蛮好的,找工作本来fit与否就很重要,Bxxx对打小报告的鼓励态度真让人不寒而栗,不去也罢,何况lz已经找到了更适合的工作。
但真的想起来太心寒了,怎么会有这样的事情发生?
这种“人”,大、小公司都有,擅长低级的办公室政治,在老板面前奴颜媚骨表忠心,靠出卖同事生存。
奉劝这种“人”不要因为一己私利扭曲自我人格、把生命浪费在无意义的事情之上。
这种小人哪里都有, 跟种族,地域和毕业学校无关。
吃一堑长一智,以后无论在哪一种场合说话都要小心。
原本想这个校友一直在海外呆的,应该多少有所变化,但孰知中国人的劣根性依然不改。我认为他的情商实在是太低,本来以为这样可以讨好老板,到头来别人很轻视他,自己的卑劣行径也得以曝光。
至于Bxxx公司我不想评价它,只是认为它在中国业务做成这样子不是没有缘由的,例如类似这种jerk的存在,专攻office politics,还哪有精力去做业务。
蛮希望他现身来辩驳一番,可惜他没有这种勇气。If you were a man...come on!
也算是不幸中的万幸,在进公司之前发现这种事总比工作了之后被捅好。
lz算了吧,不要再大肆宣扬这件事了
看得出lz是个很耿直的人,在CD上的一些经验也给了大家不少帮助
但事情已经过去了,得饶人处且饶人
这世界很小的
其实无论是在论坛上,还是日常生活中,大家说话做事都要小心,社会远比学校复杂的多
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顶楼主说出来,这种告密的人就是应该披露出来,让人人都小心它一下。
原本想这个校友一直在海外呆的,应该多少有所变化,但孰知中国人的劣根性依然不改。我认为他的情商实在是太低,本来以为这样可以讨好老板,到头来别人很轻视他,自己的卑劣行径也得以曝光。
至于Bxxx公司我不想评价它,只是认为它在中国业务做成这样子不是没有缘由的,例如类似这种jerk的存在,专攻office politics,还哪有精力去做业务。
蛮希望他现身来辩驳一番,可惜他没有这种勇气。If you were a man...come on!
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这么说,B****公司的老板其实也不待见这位小报告者,要不然怎么老板就直接告诉你它是谁谁谁呢。
开始讨厌楼主了
貌似他老板也不太喜欢他,要不然怎么会直接告诉楼主他在背后说了你什么要你防着他呢,或许当时要是真的喜欢这份工作的话留下也不失为一个选择,毕竟每个公司都会有办公室政治这和人种无关可能回国了就更得注意点就是了,anyway还是祝楼主好运,继续给我等关注和喜欢Insead的人提供相关有用信息和帮助。
其实公司什么人都有,
关键我想楼主应该也是去意已生.
最tmd不爽是tmd校友.... 幸好我混的学校比较杂,和校友没什么联系.
真要小心啊
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