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作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-6 15:21
标题: 关于equity derivatives strategy的一个问题请教

Hope somebody can give some ideas on how to deal with these two scenarios:

Of the stocks you are long, you believe that one of your positions, 1 million shares of Microsoft (MSFT) has 20% upside and shouldn't decline by more than 5% over the next three months. However, under no condition do you want to increase your exposure to the stock.

How about constructing a Put Spread Collar (Long 1 put + Short 1 put + Short 1 call) on the MSFT position?

You are bullish on one stock which you do not own, say, Merck (MRK), but believe that over the next six months you should wait until it declines 20% in price before investing $25 million in a position. You can trade OTC options so you can customize the term and strike price.

Go into a Knock-in Barrier Option contract I guess? 

I can calculate the pricing. Just suggest a general strategy. This post will be deleted soon.

Thanks!


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作者: hedge    时间: 2008-12-6 22:05

第一个:买两个沽权同时空一个购权? 这个做法是看空。既然是做空,直接放空标的证券即可,不要去买什么沽权,之后自我安慰地说“我也是看空的”

第二个:since u believe that over the next six months you should wait, u just wait. 在你认为时机未到之前,就不要交易,更不要去交易期权。要知道与其费力地去交易knock-in barrier option,其效果等同于“等到那个时候简单地做空标的证券”。

不要太多的衍生品, 不熟不做,simple is the best


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作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-6 23:41
这是我考试。。。。
作者: xun    时间: 2008-12-7 12:33
你进展的好顺利啊,ubs?
作者: barackobama    时间: 2008-12-7 13:25
ubs operation估计不会考这些问题。

作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-7 15:38
是我这边的期末考试。。。。UBS去不成了。。。。
作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-8 10:46
以下是引用hedge在2008-12-6 22:05:00的发言:

第一个:买两个沽权同时空一个购权? 这个做法是看空。既然是做空,直接放空标的证券即可,不要去买什么沽权,之后自我安慰地说“我也是看空的”

第二个:since u believe that over the next six months you should wait, u just wait. 在你认为时机未到之前,就不要交易,更不要去交易期权。要知道与其费力地去交易knock-in barrier option,其效果等同于“等到那个时候简单地做空标的证券”。

不要太多的衍生品, 不熟不做,simple is the best

关于第二题,我直接买一个80% (strike) call 怎么样呢?take-home exam,谢谢啦。


作者: hedge    时间: 2008-12-8 12:29

楼上,如果要认真回答起来,这个问题很复杂。需要分很多种情况


作者: barackobama    时间: 2008-12-8 14:11
虽然我不是高手,但

Of the stocks you are long, you believe that one of your positions,
1 million shares of Microsoft (MSFT) has 20% upside and shouldn't
decline by more than 5% over the next three months. However, under no
condition do you want to increase your exposure to the stock.

How about constructing a Put Spread Collar (Long 2 puts Short 1 call) on the MSFT position?

long 2 puts short 1 call肯定不对。既然你觉得MSFT会升20%为什么你还要short call?如果是at the money call你就亏20%了。而且你又觉得不会跌超过5%,那么为什么还要买两个put来hedge呢?反过来还有些道理。


作者: hedge    时间: 2008-12-8 14:19

如果你作的不是Margin交易,不能用简单的交易期权办法来investing $25 million in a position。

因为如果你买了期权,那么你的股票头寸是完全达不到25M的


作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-8 14:24
以下是引用barackobama在2008-12-8 14:11:00的发言:
虽然我不是高手,但

Of the stocks you are long, you believe that one of your positions,
1 million shares of Microsoft (MSFT) has 20% upside and shouldn't
decline by more than 5% over the next three months. However, under no
condition do you want to increase your exposure to the stock.

How about constructing a Put Spread Collar (Long 2 puts Short 1 call) on the MSFT position?

long 2 puts short 1 call肯定不对。既然你觉得MSFT会升20%为什么你还要short call?如果是at the money call你就亏20%了。而且你又觉得不会跌超过5%,那么为什么还要买两个put来hedge呢?反过来还有些道理。

不好意思是typo,我在原题里改回来了。put spread collar是long one put + short one put + short one call。我short call @ 120%是因为相信最多会有20%的upside,所以不需要有那么多的upside participation,short call可以赚一点premium。

不过我又觉得不应该用put spread collar,因为原题里要求不要increase your exposure to the stock,所以如果我的derivatives里面包含short put的话,就要在未来买stock,这样就increase exposure了,所以我不知道是不是应该用一个普通的collar (long put + short call),不知道各位高人怎么看?

谢谢!


作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-8 14:25
以下是引用hedge在2008-12-8 12:29:00的发言:

楼上,如果要认真回答起来,这个问题很复杂。需要分很多种情况

不用很认真地回答。。。。我不会为knock-in option定价,所以想听听牛牛的意见看看简单地buy a call at 80%是否可以满足客户的需求。


作者: hedge    时间: 2008-12-8 22:05

买两个行权价不一样,方向相反的鞍式期权,行权价分别是那个期望价


作者: stq    时间: 2008-12-12 10:07
以下是引用lianghao在2008-12-8 14:24:00的发言:

不好意思是typo,我在原题里改回来了。put spread collar是long one put + short one put + short one call。我short call @ 120%是因为相信最多会有20%的upside,所以不需要有那么多的upside participation,short call可以赚一点premium。

不过我又觉得不应该用put spread collar,因为原题里要求不要increase your exposure to the stock,所以如果我的derivatives里面包含short put的话,就要在未来买stock,这样就increase exposure了,所以我不知道是不是应该用一个普通的collar (long put + short call),不知道各位高人怎么看?

call option就不用买股票?


作者: hedge    时间: 2008-12-12 14:01
以下是引用stq在2008-12-12 10:07:00的发言:

call option就不用买股票?

裸空令已经解除
作者: fwl43    时间: 2008-12-20 09:27
以下是引用lianghao在2008-12-6 15:21:00的发言:

Hope somebody can give some ideas on how to deal with these two scenarios:

Of the stocks you are long, you believe that one of your positions, 1 million shares of Microsoft (MSFT) has 20% upside and shouldn't decline by more than 5% over the next three months. However, under no condition do you want to increase your exposure to the stock.

How about constructing a Put Spread Collar (Long 1 put + Short 1 put + Short 1 call) on the MSFT position?

You are bullish on one stock which you do not own, say, Merck (MRK), but believe that over the next six months you should wait until it declines 20% in price before investing $25 million in a position. You can trade OTC options so you can customize the term and strike price.

Go into a Knock-in Barrier Option contract I guess? 

I can calculate the pricing. Just suggest a general strategy. This post will be deleted soon.

Thanks!


Hi there,
Please find my solutions below:
If you reckon that the upside cap should be fixed at 120% and the downside floor should not be lower than 95%, you need to go into a bull spread. Basically, long a put option at 95% whilst short another put option at 120% of the spot. In this case, you will have initial credit in your premium. Hence, this is a bull vertical spread. However, this does not provide you with a full upside exposure as the cap is locked the profit at 120%.
Apparently, the above method only solves half of your problem but does not consider if the level could be between 95% and 100%. You can buy an in-the-money revertible barrier put option with a strike level at 120% and knock in level at 100%. At the same time, you short a conventional put with strike price standing on 120%. As the exotic option should provide an outperformance compared with the conventional one, this strategy should match your investment purpose. To be honest, this is a fairly conservative strategy and your P&L will not be dramatically large. However, I would still say that it is an effective way to protect your capital. On the other hand, between 100% and approximately 118%, you P&L will be negative. I admit that this strategy does not completely meet your need.
The third way I can think about is to short a straddle or strangle. I think this is the best solution. If you choose to straddle, you can fix your strike at (95%+120%)/2=107.5%. If you go with a strangle, just short a put at 95% and short a call at 120%. I will recommend you to go with this method as it's straightforward enough. However, please bear in mind that your client is bearing with significant short volatility risk.
Please let me know if I have any logical flaws. Happy to discuss. Many thanks.


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作者: lianghao    时间: 2008-12-25 09:43
多谢高人耐心详细的解答!
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作者: xaquarius    时间: 2008-12-30 01:31
take home考试可以问人的么?还大张旗鼓的到CD上来问?!!同学查一下你们的honor code吧。。
作者: edwen    时间: 2009-1-15 08:38

LZ是UCL的?

听说你们那边不少人已经拿到offer了


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作者: osman    时间: 2009-2-2 14:50

 第一个场景 short call at 120% + long put at 95%


作者: suzhoudanny    时间: 2009-2-18 18:50
The Key is NOT to increase the exposure to the Stock.

So we need to know the delta of the options and make sure the options are delta neutral.





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