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作者: triwater_yu 时间: 2008-11-27 21:11
标题: 大全404——平反：fast可以修饰rate

404. In the 1980’s the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice as fast as the 1970’s. C

(A) twice as fast as

(B) twice as fast as it was in 相当迷惑性！

(D) two times faster than that of（C）

(E) two times greater than

大家看看这道题，我看了以前的帖子，关于B选项，主流的解释是fast不能修饰rate，可是我查了，有很多fast rate的用法：2.

These workers produce at a very fast
rate.

工人们在以非常快的速度生产。-- 英汉 - 辞典例句

But information technology continues to develop at a very fast
rate.

然而，信息技术仍在以一种很快的速度发展。

ast data rate, up to 100 megabits per second (Mbps) or over.

其数据传递速率高，可达100兆位/秒（Mbps)甚至更高。

不过我猜测fast修饰rate这种用法不够严谨，故在GMAT中算错。大家觉得呢？

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2008-11-27 23:50

I'd go for B coz the "what" and "it" in C sound redundant. They both indicate "rate"
Another example in prep2:

61. (27648-!-item-!-188;#058&003611)

Researchers in Germany have unearthed 400,000-year-old wooden spears from what it appears was an ancient lakeshore hunting ground as stunning evidence of human ancestors who systematically hunted big game much earlier than believed.

(A) it appears was an ancient lakeshore hunting ground as stunning evidence of human ancestors who

(B) it appears had been an ancient lakeshore hunting ground and is stunning evidence that human ancestors

(D) appears to be an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning evidence that human ancestors

(E) appears that it is an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning evidence of human ancestors who

key

A的错误原因：what it重复，都指代同一个东西。

作者: AlienX 时间: 2008-11-28 01:35
Hmm...it seems like that "fast rate" is okay...since P2-137 uses "slow rate of technology spending".

Blaming its recent troubles on a widening recession and slow rate of technology spending, the computer company announced that it would cut 10 percent of its workforce--more than 2,000 jobs--and expected to report a loss in its third quarter.

作者: GloriaZeng 时间: 2009-10-5 16:38

楼主给的例句里RATE 都是速度的意思

而题目里的RATE则是表示比率

因此不能平反

作者: elaineyll 时间: 2009-10-6 11:37
gloria分析精辟

作者: yidiyuehan 时间: 2009-10-20 22:29

rate of increase of the minority population of the United States 翻译过来就是

美国少数人口增加的速度.

这个好像和比率没有关系啊. 我觉得也应该选B. C 怎么看都不顺, 一般what 只能引导主语从句和宾语从句, 这里明显不是.

作者: abaobao 时间: 2011-1-17 11:59

rate of increase of the minority population of the United States 翻译过来就是
美国少数人口增加的速度.

这个好像和比率没有关系啊. 我觉得也应该选B. C 怎么看都不顺, 一般what 只能引导主语从句和宾语从句, 这里明显不是.

rate of increase 是固定用法－有计算公式的。所以用fast 形容不好。所以应选c。what 取代了 it was 后面具体的数字

-- by 会员 yidiyuehan (2009/10/20 22:29:00)

作者: caoqin1981 时间: 2011-9-6 15:04
rate是一个比率，具体的数字，有大小，如果是INCREASING OF....可以用FAST来修饰,这里是数字大小的比较而不是增加快慢的比较。可以这样理解吗？

作者: shaoheng1120 时间: 2011-12-26 17:00

404.In the 1980’s the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States was nearly twice as fast as the 1970’s. C
(A) twice as fast as
(B) twice as fast as it was in 相当迷惑性！
(C) twice what it was in
(D) two times faster than that of（C）
(E) two times greater than
大家看看这道题，我看了以前的帖子，关于B选项，主流的解释是fast不能修饰rate，可是我查了，有很多fast rate的用法：2.
These workers produce at a very fast
rate.工人们在以非常快的速度生产。-- 英汉 - 辞典例句But information technology continues to develop at a very fast
rate.然而，信息技术仍在以一种很快的速度发展。ast data rate, up to 100 megabits per second (Mbps) or over.其数据传递速率高，可达100兆位/秒（Mbps)甚至更高。不过我猜测fast修饰rate这种用法不够严谨，故在GMAT中算错。大家觉得呢？

-- by 会员 triwater_yu (2008/11/27 21:11:00)

说说我的想法：先抛开fast能否修饰rate，看这道题B虽然最具有迷惑性，但是大家注意到没有 In the 1980’s 是修饰整句话的而非 the rate of increase of the minority population of the United States 这一个短语。即A was twice(what A was in 1970's)in1908's.为了避免歧义，把1980's提到句首，起到同样作用。不过从逻辑结构可以看出1970’s与1980's根本就不是两个平等结构，而是主从结构。所以用as...as ...in不能够找到时间状语的对应，所以不平行，凭这一点可以排除B。同时用C的好处是1970’s修饰的是what,无需保证时间状语的平行。

作者: shaoheng1120 时间: 2011-12-26 17:12

I'd go for B coz the "what" and "it" in C sound redundant. They both indicate "rate"
Another example in prep2:
61. (27648-!-item-!-188;#058&003611)

Researchers in Germany have unearthed 400,000-year-old wooden spears from what it appears was an ancient lakeshore hunting ground as stunning evidence of human ancestors who systematically hunted big game much earlier than believed.

(A) it appears was an ancient lakeshore hunting ground as stunning evidence of human ancestors who

(B) it appears had been an ancient lakeshore hunting ground and is stunning evidence that human ancestors

(C) it appears to have been an ancient lakeshore hunting ground and is stunning evidence that human ancestors

(D) appears to be an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning evidence that human ancestors

(E) appears that it is an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning evidence of human ancestors who

key

A的错误原因：what it重复，都指代同一个东西。

-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2008/11/27 23:50:00)

我认为404 C这并不啰嗦。不过斑竹大人举例子的确what啰嗦——what it was X.
在404C中what 充当it的宾语，起到解释说明或者强调it的作用。

作者: 赤尾屿 时间: 2012-6-28 15:37
我是这样看的，一方面，fast不好，至少有争议。
我看到曼哈顿的staff回复：

in this case, you have a problem of redundancy:
a RATE can't be FAST.
* the rate can be high;
* the increase itself can be fast.
similarly,
a height can't be tall (a person can be tall, or a height can be greater than...)
a bank account can't be rich (a person can be rich, or a bank account can contain a large amount of money)
etc.
另一方面，我觉得B的主要问题是出在比较结构里，短语和句子相比了，结构不对称。
我之前也理解为the rate of increase of the minority...was是个句子，所以和it was in 1970's比较。不是句子主语比较，可以补出谓语动词么。但想一想是错的
A is twice as big as B。不能把A is当作句子来比较，因为be twice as…as是短语固定搭配实际上是A与B两个名词在比较。如果A do is twice as…as B do才是句子和句子比较（但是结构有点不对）所以，我这么理解的哈理解，as…as多半是名词做比较。B后面不能添加is。所以，B最大的问题是形式不对称。
完毕。

作者: 15801218581 时间: 2013-8-25 20:38
LS犀利！

作者: 15801218581 时间: 2013-8-25 20:49
好像不是。。刚才看了Manhattan的例句，第一个就是He is TWICE AS tall AS Alex [is]. 有没有is都可以。主系表结构主语的比较，省略系动词。。。所以这题的问题还是在fast能不能修饰rate吧。朗文字典里说a. + rate时形容词只有high/ low/ rising/ falling + rate，或unemployment rate这类，没见过fast/ slow + rate。

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