1.adj. N1 and/or N2 里的形容词怎样区分是修饰N1 还是修饰N1 and N2呢？
2.题中ETS解释，ABD错的原因是little 不能修饰services
为什么不能看成是little water 或（or）services 的并列呢？还是因为如果看成是little water 或（or）services 的并列，改变了原意，没有表达出“几乎没有services”这个含义呢？
目前的两个问题：
1,谓语动词问题：以前的理解和Snazzy版主一样:,在there be a and b 句型中，谓语的单负不是和a一致吗？---> more exactly, should be aligned with the closer one
目前的疑惑:
见http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=17766
remeo：当2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致，类似的有as well as ,either ...or...等本题中的services不就是复数吗？
而and后面的用复数形式的谓语动词，即使他连接2个不可数的成分。
如果你这方面还有不熟悉的，可先记熟一些固定搭配该如何用正确的动词上的“数”来表达。
2，and 和or
题中ETS解释，ABD错的原因是little 不能修饰services
个人理解：A如果是:little water or few services则应该是对的了
总结一下就是and/or前后如果是可数和不可数名词，修饰词应该分开
比如：我们不能说a few apples and water，应该说a few apples and a little water
所以雪落无声：adj. N1 and/or N2 里的形容词怎样区分是修饰N1 还是修饰N1 and N2呢？就可以解释了。
请赐教
NN呢
目前的两个问题：
1,谓语动词问题：以前的理解和Snazzy版主一样:,在there be a and b 句型中，谓语的单负不是和a一致吗？---> more exactly, should be aligned with the closer one
目前的疑惑:
见http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=17766
remeo：当2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致，类似的有as well as ,either ...or...等本题中的services不就是复数吗？
而and后面的用复数形式的谓语动词，即使他连接2个不可数的成分。
如果你这方面还有不熟悉的，可先记熟一些固定搭配该如何用正确的动词上的“数”来表达。
2，and 和or
题中ETS解释，ABD错的原因是little 不能修饰services
个人理解：A如果是:little water or few services则应该是对的了
总结一下就是and/or前后如果是可数和不可数名词，修饰词应该分开
比如：我们不能说a few apples and water，应该说a few apples and a little water
所以雪落无声：adj. N1 and/or N2 里的形容词怎样区分是修饰N1 还是修饰N1 and N2呢？就可以解释了。
请赐教
tianwan版主
啥意思，不懂
赐教
tianwanGG的意思是N1和N2如果一个是可数另一个是不可数，那么其前面的形容词则不能同时修两个N。所以解决了前面的问题。好绕啊~~~
另外，我补充：
Reme ‘2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致.’
我认为应该区分：
there is a little water or a few services
there is a little water as well as a few services
there are a little water and a few services
I as well as you am doing somethings right.
You, as well as I, are doing somethings right.
You or I am doing somethings right.
还是有点不明白
JerryGuan NN我不是理解错了你的意思吧
2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致.
那么：1）there is a little water or a few services
2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.
一致吗？？？？
不解
谢谢，万分感谢
我问过一个大N，说有这样的表达：
1）there is a little water or a few services
2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.
不知其他NN的意见。
我对107题的结论是: 语法书上认为or, there be句型可服从就近修饰原则, 但有时也可服从实义原则, 如这里little water or few services 实际是说那里即没水也没什么服务, 指两样东西, 所以ETS认为应用复数, 这是不是说ETS认为实义原则高于就近修饰原则? 请大家指正.
另外的疑问: drug abuse and alocohol abuse +plural verb
drug and alcohol abuse +plural verb (我的语法书上这么认为)
但ETS119的正确答案:
Ｂsignificantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business
Choice B, the best answer, uses clear and concise phrasing to state that it is the effects of drug and alcohol abuse that already cost business the sum mentioned.
这里很明显ETS视drug and alcohol abuse 为单数，与语法书不同，大家怎么认为呢？
谢谢！
我问过一个大N，说有这样的表达：
1）there is a little water or a few services
2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.
不知其他NN的意见。
我已经被这道题搅晕了。想确定一下
there be是服从就近原则的。there is little water and a few services. right??
or, either...or，谓语是服从就近原则的。
little water or few services exist
再多嘴一句，few前面要不要加“a”？E作为正确选项是没有加的。
as well as 是服从就远原则的。否则不会有上面的 i as well as you "am"....
另外还有一个问题，我记得在否定句中，and通通要改成or，高中讲过，80%把握。
i don't have pens or pencils. 用and是错误的。那么在这里， few 和little都作为否定词出现，ets为什么还喜欢and？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
请赐教谢谢……
1. there be并非就近修饰. little water and a few services中间如果用了and就要用复数谓语动词. or/either...or.../neither...nor...这些才是就近修饰.
2. 原句的意思是要表达few, little(有否定意义的词), 不要轻易改变原文的意思, 即改成a few或者a little, 这样就变成肯定了.
3. 只有否定句才用or, 而不是and. 只有含有否定词, 即no, not 才是否定句. 注意, 不是"有否定意义的词". 虽然这句句子里有few, little, 也不是否定句, 所以用and.
同意lavender的解释，补充说明一下小女公子对as well as的总结，并不是就远原则，而是强调谁的问题
A as well as B强调的是A，其后动词应与A一致（虽然你按照就远原则来记忆形式上也对）
与此相反的是，not only A but also B，强调的是B，其后动词应与B一致
基本上都看懂了。就一点儿还不太明白：og解释中的thus, the singular verbs exists (in B and C) and is (in D) are wrong. 根据or所接谓语的单复就近原则，D的is为什么错了？
谢谢。
楼上的问题提的好，顶！
NN快来回答！！
基本上都看懂了。就一点儿还不太明白：og解释中的thus, the singular verbs exists (in B and C) and is (in D) are wrong. 根据or所接谓语的单复就近原则，D的is为什么错了？
谢谢。了
There be 就近
Either or 就近
As well as 就远
这里discussed as a pair，不管就近还是就远，反正就过来就是就着复数了。所以谓语也是复数了
1. there be并非就近修饰. little water and a few services中间如果用了and就要用复数谓语动词. or/either...or.../neither...nor...这些才是就近修饰.
2. 原句的意思是要表达few, little(有否定意义的词), 不要轻易改变原文的意思, 即改成a few或者a little, 这样就变成肯定了.
3. 只有否定句才用or, 而不是and. 只有含有否定词, 即no, not 才是否定句. 注意, 不是"有否定意义的词". 虽然这句句子里有few, little, 也不是否定句, 所以用and.
or只用在否定句，好像和楼上的例子有冲突哦，到底谁对呢？请指点
there is a little water or a few services
there is a little water as well as a few services
there are a little water and a few services
I as well as you am doing somethings right.
You, as well as I, are doing somethings right.
You or I am doing somethings right.
否定句或选择用or.
32. Some buildings that were destroyed and heavily damaged in the earthquake last year were constructed in violation of the city's building code.
(A) Some buildings that were destroyed and heavily damaged in the earthquake last year were
(B) Some buildings that were destroyed or heavily damaged in the earthquake last year had been
(C) Some buildings that the earthquake destroyed and heavily damaged last year have been
(D) Last year the earthquake destroyed or heavily damaged some buildings that have been (B)
(E) Last year some of the buildings that were destroyed or heavily damaged in the earthquake had been
但对于这个A or B的谓语形式还是耿耿于怀，印象中OR是两者择一的范畴（而不象是a pair），那么谓语动词也应该是择一而终。但似乎ETS颠覆了这一说法，认为A/B不论是一致的还是对立的东东，只要用or/and连接，都拿来当作a pair使，而谓语也都改作了复数，所以D中的is被认作是错误的。sigh...有谁能再指点一下：为什么用or连接也成为a pair谓语用复数？
107. Downzoning, zoning that typically results in the reduction of housing density, allows for more open space in areas where little water or services exist.
(A) little water or services exist
(B) little water or services exists
(C) few services and little water exists
(D) there is little water or services available
(E) there are few services and little available water
Also, since water and services are being discussed as a pair, they should logically be treated as a compound subject requiring a plural verb; thus, the singular verbs exists (in B and C) and is (in D) are wrong.
I interpret the explanation in this way: OG desn't say because of "or", the sigular verb is wrong.The fact that the singular verbs exists and is are wrong is caused by illogically treating water and serves as sperate subjects instead of a compound subject.
good explanation! thanks!
我想这里说的是不是：两样东西都没有（既没水，又没服务），而不仅仅指缺乏其中一样，因此是a pair的概念。因此无论是正常语序或是there be倒装语序，都要用复数谓语。如果只是表达缺乏其中一样（用单数谓语），即是错误（好像这里跟倒装没多大关系）。
1OG的解释中始终没有提到使用or是错误的，即便是用来表达compound subject，
这个问题不知紫草MM有没有高见
2从本题题干的原意来理解，用or更合理
3available,在原意中没有，是否是改变原意
自问自答一下第三个问题
3available,在原意中没有，是否是改变原意
ets可能认为little water不确切，不如little available water表达的准确
水少不是问题，不可用的水才是问题
i don't have pens or pencils. 用and是错误的。那么在这里， few 和little都作为否定词出现，ets为什么还喜欢and？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
请赐教谢谢……
真的不可以说i don't have pens and pencils？
我认为i don't have pens and pencils？是错的，应该用or.
以下是引用小女公子在2005-4-13 21:04:00的发言：
i don't have pens or pencils. 用and是错误的。那么在这里， few 和little都作为否定词出现，ets为什么还喜欢and？？？？？？？？？？？？？？
请赐教谢谢……
回答这个问题，前面有人说只有出现no, not这类的否定词才算数。
OG说D当中的is是错的，我想是因为little water， few services应该用and连接，这样的话就得用there are。
如果是这样的话就不存在什么there be结构就近原则了。我现在不相信这个原则了，不过我的确也没怎么听说过。看来语法没学好。
Also, since water and services are being discussed as a pair, they should logically be treated as a compound subject requiring a plural verb; thus, the singular verbs exists (in B and C) and is (in D) are wrong.
I interpret the explanation in this way: OG desn't say because of "or", the sigular verb is wrong.The fact that the singular verbs exists and is are wrong is caused by illogically treating water and serves as sperate subjects instead of a compound subject.
顶
gmat中实质重于形式
顶
gmat中实质重于形式
终于看明白了
紫草mm素大牛啊
句意为王
把本题所有的讨论都看完了,现在回过头来就是要确认下列几组句子,哪些是正确的,NN们,拜托了:
There is little water and air.
There are little water and air.
There is water and some animals.
There are water and some animals.
There is a little water or some animals.
There are a little water or some animals.
把本题所有的讨论都看完了,现在回过头来就是要确认下列几组句子,哪些是正确的,NN们,拜托了:
There is little water and air.
There are little water and air.
There is water and some animals.
There are water and some animals.
There is a little water or some animals.
There are a little water or some animals.
把本题所有的讨论都看完了,现在回过头来就是要确认下列几组句子,哪些是正确的,NN们,拜托了:
There is little water and air.
There are little water and air.
There is water and some animals.
There are water and some animals.
There is a little water or some animals.
There are a little water or some animals.
good explanation! thanks!
我想这里说的是不是：两样东西都没有（既没水，又没服务），而不仅仅指缺乏其中一样，因此是a pair的概念。因此无论是正常语序或是there be倒装语序，都要用复数谓语。如果只是表达缺乏其中一样（用单数谓语），即是错误（好像这里跟倒装没多大关系）。
还是不明白为何必须用and表示a pair，而不能用or表示单个概念？
什么情况下可以表示单个的情形呢？
把本题所有的讨论都看完了,现在回过头来就是要确认下列几组句子,哪些是正确的,NN们,拜托了:
There is little water and air. wrong
There are little water and air. right
There is water and some animals. wrong
There are water and some animals.right
There is a little water or some animals. wrong
There are a little water or some animals. wrong
引用薰衣草牛牛的解释做答
1. there be并非就近修饰. little water and a few services中间如果用了and就要用复数谓语动词. or/either...or.../neither...nor...这些才是就近修饰.
2. 原句的意思是要表达few, little(有否定意义的词), 不要轻易改变原文的意思, 即改成a few或者a little, 这样就变成肯定了.
3. 只有否定句才用or, 而不是and. 只有含有否定词, 即no, not 才是否定句. 注意, 不是"有否定意义的词". 虽然这句句子里有few, little, 也不是否定句, 所以用and.
自问自答：
问：题目中用的是or，而给出的答案是用的and，而且一定要把water与services看作一个整体，这个E答案就没有改变题目原意的嫌疑嘛？
答：可能因为是水（water）与供水（services）是一个整体，因此要放在一起吧。
求NN指教：og11给的一个原话：Logically,the areas of described would suffer from both little water and few services at the same time, so the correct conjunction is and, not or.
怎么解读og的这句话？
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