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作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-10 11:02
标题: [讨论]what引导主语从句的主谓一致

在总结白勇语法时看到以下一个知识点(书里P62页17题),但从未注意过,怀疑其正确性,发上来大家看看:

what引导主语从句的主谓一致

  1what在从句中充当主语时,从句谓语动词一般与主句谓语动词相一致

  2what在从句中充当宾语时,主句谓语动词由主句谓语动词后的名词决定

第5楼更新!!白勇又开始胡说规则了!!

另外,prep解释关于what从句的规则:

what引导的名词从句作主语,谓语动词用单数形式(有待考正)


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作者: Zeldaw    时间: 2008-10-10 11:19

白勇有给例子吗?


作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-10 12:19

P62页17题

The period when the great painted caves at Lascaux and Altamira were occupied by Upper Paleolithic people has been established by carbon-14 dating, but what is much more difficult to determine are the reason for their decoration, the use to which primitive people put the caves, and the meaning of the magnificently depicted animal.

A has been established by carbon-14 dating, but what is much more difficult to determine are

B has been established by carbon-14 dating, but what is much more difficult to determine is

C 略

D 略

E 略

白勇说B对,因为what在从句中做主语,所以determine后用is,A中的are错


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作者: joywu1221    时间: 2008-10-10 15:32

白勇是这么说的: 

2what充当宾语时,主句谓语动词由主句谓语动词后的名词决定

不过,没见过这样的例子啊.


作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-10 16:11
书里P62页17题
作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-28 15:56

prep sc test2

6.    (24681-!-item-!-188;#058&001533)

 

 

From studies of the bony house of the brain, which is the cranium, located in the back of the skull, come what scientists know about dinosaur brains.

 

 

(A) From studies of the bony house of the brain, which is the cranium, located in the back of the skull, come what scientists know about dinosaur brains.

(B) The knowledge that scientists know about dinosaur brains comes from studies of the bony house of the brain, located in the back of the skull, that is, the cranium.

(C) The knowledge of dinosaur brains that scientists have come from studies of the bony house of the brain, which is located in the back of the skull and is called the cranium.

(D) What scientists know about dinosaur brains comes from studies of the cranium, the bony house of the brain located in the back of the skull.(D)

(E) Located in the back of the skull is the cranium, the bony house of the brain, and it is from studies of this that scientists know what they know about dinosaur brains.

这题what在从句中做know about的宾语

按照白勇的规则:what在从句充当宾语时,主句谓语动词由主句谓语动词后的名词决定

但是,主句谓语动词comes(应该是comes吧?)和后面的名词 studies of the cranium数不一样啊!?

prep 解释给出的规则是:what引导的名词从句作主语,谓语动词用单数形式


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作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-28 22:19
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作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-29 18:13

作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-30 08:58

关于 what从句谓语的数的情况大家都会了吗?怎么没人讨论?


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作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-10-30 13:07
um...我把所有出現在OG/Prep/GWD/大全(沒有所有的句子=(, 如果誰有所有大全的correct的句子, 請發一下=D)有用what的看了一下:



something singular
- place
prep2:16.    
The single-family house constructed by the Yana, a Native American
people who lived in what is now northern California, was conical in
shape, its framework of poles overlaid with slabs of bark, either cedar
or pine, and banked with dirt to a height of three to four feet.
prep2:61.    
Researchers in Germany have unearthed 400,000-year-old wooden spears
from what appears to be an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning
evidence that human ancestors systematically hunted big game much
earlier than believed.
GWDn1000:64.The first trenches cut into a
500-arce site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence
that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of
the Middle East arose simultaneously with but independently of the more
celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern
Iraq.
- knowledge
prep2:6.      What scientists know about
dinosaur brains comes from studies of the cranium, the bony house of
the brain located in the back of the skull.
- other
GWDn1000:104.While
digging in the Egyptian desert, paleontologists have found huge fossil
bones from what appears to be the second most massive dinosaur that
ever lived.
prep2:101.    The electronics company has unveiled what
it claims is the world's smallest network digital camcorder, which is
as long as a handheld computer and weighs less than 11 ounces.
OG10:88. 
The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculpture
portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute
what one scholar calls an "artificial face."
OG10:210. Scientists
have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living
organism on Earth, a giant fungus that is an interwoven filigree of
mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore
some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil
of a Michigan forest.
OG10:240. What brought the automobile company
back from the verge of bankruptcy shortly after the Second World War
was a special, governmentally sanctioned price increase allowed during
a period of wage and price controls.
OG10:211. The period when the
great painted caves at Lascaux and Altamira were occupied by Upper
Paleolithic people has been established by carbon-14 dating, but what
is much more difficult to determine is the reason for their decoration,
the use to which primitive people put the caves, and the meaning of the
magnificently depicted animals.
OG10:258. The British sociologist
and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income
maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the
Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as
director of adult education for London.
GWDn1000:153.At the time of
the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of
Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of
land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by
the Spaniards.
GWDn1000:238.Dental caries and gingivitis can be exacerbated not only by what patients eat but also by when they eat it.
GWDn1000:151.Spanish
poet Juan Ramon Jimenez, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in
1956, was so embarrassed in his later years by what he considered the
excessive sentiment in the poems in his first two collections that he
destroyed every copy he could find.

something plural
- place
OG11:59.     
His studies of ice-polished rocks in his Alpine homeland, far outside
the range of present-day glaciers, led Louis Agassiz in 1837 to propose
the concept of an age in which great ice sheets existed in what are now
temperate areas.
- other
OG11:7.       Carnivorous mammals can
endure what would otherwise be lethal levels of body heat because they
have a heat-exchange network that keeps the brain from getting too hot.
GWDn1000:35.Even
though more money was removed out of stock funds in July than in any
other month since October 1987, sales of fund shares in July were not
as low as what an industry trade group had previously estimated.

speical
prep2:47.    
Those skeptical of the extent of global warming argue that short-term
temperature data are an inadequate means of predicting long-term trends
and point out that the scientific community remains divided over
whether significant warming will occur and what impact it would have.
OG10:53. 
There is no consensus on what role, if any, is played by acid rain in
damaging or slowing the growth of forests in the eastern United States.
OG10:73. 
The British Admiralty and the War Office met in March 1892 to consider
a possible Russian attempt to seize Constantinople and what military
action would be necessary in order to deal with such an event.
GWDn1000:41.A
leading figure in the Scottish enlightenment, Adam Smith wrote two
major books that are to democratic capitalism what Marx’s Das Kapital
is to socialism.

基本上好像沒有一個mechanism去decide單複數
要看what到底是要表示一個單數還是複數去決定謂語的單複

3rd floor的question(其實是OG10#211)比較容易決定:
What is....is...
What are...are...
因為what是what從句的主語也是主句的主語, 所以從句跟主句的單複一定會一致

6th floor的question比較難決定:
what是know about的object, 同時是主句的subject.
只看結構不看意思, what可單可複
看意思的話, what是指**一個**knowledge, 那個knowledge就是the bony house of the brain located in the back of the skull, 不多不少, 就一個knowledge

conclusion: what的單複要看句意....
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作者: rpch2004    时间: 2008-10-31 22:34
以下是引用AlienX在2008-10-30 13:07:00的发言:
um...我把所有出現在OG/Prep/GWD/大全(沒有所有的句子=(, 如果誰有所有大全的correct的句子, 請發一下=D)有用what的看了一下:



something singular
- place
prep2:16.    
The single-family house constructed by the Yana, a Native American
people who lived in what is now northern California, was conical in
shape, its framework of poles overlaid with slabs of bark, either cedar
or pine, and banked with dirt to a height of three to four feet.
prep2:61.    
Researchers in Germany have unearthed 400,000-year-old wooden spears
from what appears to be an ancient lakeshore hunting ground, stunning
evidence that human ancestors systematically hunted big game much
earlier than believed.
GWDn1000:64.The first trenches cut into a
500-arce site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence
that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of
the Middle East arose simultaneously with but independently of the more
celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern
Iraq.
- knowledge
prep2:6.      What scientists know about
dinosaur brains comes from studies of the cranium, the bony house of
the brain located in the back of the skull.
- other
GWDn1000:104.While
digging in the Egyptian desert, paleontologists have found huge fossil
bones from what appears to be the second most massive dinosaur that
ever lived.
prep2:101.    The electronics company has unveiled what
it claims is the world's smallest network digital camcorder, which is
as long as a handheld computer and weighs less than 11 ounces.
OG10:88. 
The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculpture
portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute
what one scholar calls an "artificial face."
OG10:210. Scientists
have recently discovered what could be the largest and oldest living
organism on Earth, a giant fungus that is an interwoven filigree of
mushrooms and rootlike tentacles spawned by a single fertilized spore
some 10,000 years ago and extending for more than 30 acres in the soil
of a Michigan forest.
OG10:240. What brought the automobile company
back from the verge of bankruptcy shortly after the Second World War
was a special, governmentally sanctioned price increase allowed during
a period of wage and price controls.
OG10:211. The period when the
great painted caves at Lascaux and Altamira were occupied by Upper
Paleolithic people has been established by carbon-14 dating, but what
is much more difficult to determine is the reason for their decoration,
the use to which primitive people put the caves, and the meaning of the
magnificently depicted animals.
OG10:258. The British sociologist
and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income
maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the
Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as
director of adult education for London.
GWDn1000:153.At the time of
the Mexican agrarian revolution, the most radical faction, that of
Zapata and his followers, proposed a return to communal ownership of
land, to what had been a pre-Columbian form of ownership respected by
the Spaniards.
GWDn1000:238.Dental caries and gingivitis can be exacerbated not only by what patients eat but also by when they eat it.
GWDn1000:151.Spanish
poet Juan Ramon Jimenez, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in
1956, was so embarrassed in his later years by what he considered the
excessive sentiment in the poems in his first two collections that he
destroyed every copy he could find.

something plural
- place
OG11:59.     
His studies of ice-polished rocks in his Alpine homeland, far outside
the range of present-day glaciers, led Louis Agassiz in 1837 to propose
the concept of an age in which great ice sheets existed in what are now
temperate areas.
- other
OG11:7.       Carnivorous mammals can
endure what would otherwise be lethal levels of body heat because they
have a heat-exchange network that keeps the brain from getting too hot.
GWDn1000:35.Even
though more money was removed out of stock funds in July than in any
other month since October 1987, sales of fund shares in July were not
as low as what an industry trade group had previously estimated.

speical
prep2:47.    
Those skeptical of the extent of global warming argue that short-term
temperature data are an inadequate means of predicting long-term trends
and point out that the scientific community remains divided over
whether significant warming will occur and what impact it would have.
OG10:53. 
There is no consensus on what role, if any, is played by acid rain in
damaging or slowing the growth of forests in the eastern United States.
OG10:73. 
The British Admiralty and the War Office met in March 1892 to consider
a possible Russian attempt to seize Constantinople and what military
action would be necessary in order to deal with such an event.
GWDn1000:41.A
leading figure in the Scottish enlightenment, Adam Smith wrote two
major books that are to democratic capitalism what Marx’s Das Kapital
is to socialism.

基本上好像沒有一個mechanism去decide單複數
要看what到底是要表示一個單數還是複數去決定謂語的單複

3rd floor的question(其實是OG10#211)比較容易決定:
What is....is...
What are...are...
因為what是what從句的主語也是主句的主語, 所以從句跟主句的單複一定會一致

6th floor的question比較難決定:
what是know about的object, 同時是主句的subject.
只看結構不看意思, what可單可複
看意思的話, what是指**一個**knowledge, 那個knowledge就是the bony house of the brain located in the back of the skull, 不多不少, 就一個knowledge

conclusion: what的單複要看句意....

赞!
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-10-31 22:39

恩...what从句作主语,what在从句里作宾语的情况,确实要看逻辑意思了...

prep2-6那个题如果没有任何背景因素就那么一个句子,我想我们无法判断主句谓语动词用单数还是复数的...

白勇第二句话确实总结得不对。


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作者: crazyqianer    时间: 2010-8-18 13:03
from studies***  这个studies 并不是comes后面的名词吧。中间还隔着一个from
作者: tomorrow7    时间: 2010-9-3 11:30
6th floor的question比較難決定:
what是know about的object, 同時是主句的subject.
只看結構不看意思, what可單可複
看意思的話, what是指**一個**knowledge, 那個knowledge就是the bony house of the brain located in the back of the skull, 不多不少, 就一個knowledge

conclusion: what的單複要看句意....
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-- by 会员 AlienX (2008/10/30 13:07:00)



我有一点糊涂。这个what是做know about的宾语还是know的宾语??
作者: 99qiuqiu    时间: 2012-4-22 21:06
mark
作者: FTKJ    时间: 2013-6-18 21:46
NN贴,赞一毛
作者: vanessaljt    时间: 2013-8-13 23:43
rpch2004 发表于 2008-10-28 15:56
prep sc test26.    (24681-!-item-!-188;#058&001533)  From studies of the bo ...

但是这个题注意,宾语并不是studies这个复数,而是from studies of这个介词词组,所以应该视为单数。所以用comes。
The subject in this clause is a clause itself – What scientists know about dinosaur brains.  The verb is – come.  The object is – from studies of the bony house of brain.  Since clause as subject is always singular, the verb – come should be comes – singular.  Thus this sentence has SV – Number error.
from egmat:http://e-gmat.com/blogs/?p=378
作者: zxzxy1988    时间: 2015-3-2 19:55
放上我刚刚总结的主语从句的语法点:
        1. that引导的主语从句
                a. that在句中不做成分。当主语从句位于句首时,不能省略:
                That he likes books of this kind is very interesting.= It’s very interesting (that) he likes books of this kind.
                b. 当谓语动词是seem,appear,be a pity.be a wonder,be likely等时,使用形式主语It ,而将真正的主语放在句尾,这时从属连词that可省略:It appeared to scientists on earth (that) the stars had moved.
        2. Whether/if引导的主语从句
                a. 表不确定的主语从句位于句首的时候则必须用whether,不能用if.
                b. 如果用It 作形式主语时 ,whether和If都可以引导主语从句。
        3. what引导的主语从句(其实是连接代词/连接副词啦)
                a. what 引导主语从句,在从句中充当主语、宾语。
                What he often holds in his hand is a dictionary. = He often holds a dictionary in his hand.
                b. who,whatever, whoever, whose, who 可引导主语从句,在从句中充当成分。  
                c. Where/when/how/why也可引导主语从句, 在从句中充当状语。
                d. 注意that和what引导主语从句时候的区别:that不做成分,what做成分:
                What you said about him makes him sad. what在主语从句中做said的宾语
                That you don’t like him makes him sad. that在主语从句中不做成分
        4. 注意使用主语从句时,主句的谓语动词单复数。基本原则是,一般用单数(因为是一个从句么,从句一般都是单数);但是如果根据主句上下文确定是复数,那么谓语动词也应该用复数。
                a. (OG)What scientists know about dinosaur brains comes from studies of the cranium, the bony house of the brain located in the back of the skull.
                这里what scientists know about dinosaru brains这个主语从句后面的谓语动词应该用单数(comes)。
                b. 另外一个OG/PREP例子:
                What is much more difficult to determine is the reason for their decoration,the use to which primitive people put the caves, and the meaning of the magnificently depicted animals.
                这里的主语从句的单复数由reason来决定(因为reason是主句的宾语)所以用is
                c. What I need is money./What I need are  books. 这里what I need这个主语从句后面的谓语动词应该根据后面的名词来决定(IT is money/THEY are books),所以一个用is, 一个用are
        4. 如果由and连接两个或两个以上的主语从句作主语时,谓语动词用复数;由两个或多个连接词引导一个主语从句,谓语动词用单数。
        When they will start and where they go have not been decided yet.
        When and where the meeting will begin has not been decided .
        Source:
        http://wenku.baidu.com/view/df1f7b3010661ed9ad51f33d?fr=prin
        http://wenku.baidu.com/view/1e929f808762caaedd33d425?fr=prin

作者: 成成儿    时间: 2015-4-26 13:34
AlienX 发表于 2008-10-30 13:07
um...我把所有出現在OG/Prep/GWD/大全(沒有所有的句子=(, 如果誰有所有大全的correct的句子, 請發一下=D)有 ...

谢谢NN-AlienX的总结~~

这里有个帖子,同样困惑的同学可以看看~~~
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/substantive-clauses-on-the-gmat/

总的来说:
In general, when a substantive clause is the subject of a sentence, it is generally construed as singular and takes a singular verb.

Here’s the exception.  If the substantive clause begins with a relative pronoun —- who, whom, what, where, whoever, whomever, whatever, wherever — then whether the clause is singular or plural depends on whether the relative pronoun itself is understood as singular or plural.

-cited from http://magoosh.com

作者: Ranaaaa    时间: 2018-9-29 15:28
rpch2004 发表于 2008-10-10 16:11
书里P62页17题

这个句子是一个倒装啊,和白勇老师说的主语从句不一样啊兄弟
作者: fearlesssssss    时间: 2018-10-2 12:49
发表于 2008-10-10 12:19:00
P62页17题The period when the great painted caves at ...

Mark一下




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