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作者: nick81475 时间: 2008-9-13 15:14
标题: Prep1-114 不懂為何用more so than

麻煩各位了

114. A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.

(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(D) which was more so than those retiring

(E) which was more than if they had retired

答案是(C) 但是我不懂為什麼有more so than 這種用法?

有人說so 是指代satisfaction 真的可以這樣指代嗎?

謝謝回答感激不盡

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作者: liu4949 时间: 2008-9-13 21:14
so＝reported high marital satisfaction

作者: nick81475 时间: 2008-9-13 23:01

謝謝liu4949~

不過遇到so的題目還真的會很暈~

也就是說so可以指代一個名詞嗎?

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作者: 冯澄宁 时间: 2008-11-26 11:09

逗号后面的部分作状语，相当于women（逻辑主语）more reported high marital satisfaction（so） than those who retired，比较结构。

so 可以指代词组的吧

作者: grape262001 时间: 2009-2-3 21:51

我觉得这道题给出的PREP解释有一定的问题，上面说so是代表satisfaction，说原句要表达的意思是不同妇女在不同请况下的satisfaction的比较。

我认为不然，首先，我觉得so代表reported high marital satisfaction.其次，原句要表达的是不同情况下的妇女表示有高的satisfaction的多少的对比。所以是主语比较。C就是正确答案。

不好意思，不同意NN的意见，也许是某些地方想错了。

欢迎拍砖！

作者: smartsky11 时间: 2009-3-28 12:35
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作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-5-3 15:03

以下是引用冯澄宁在2008-11-26 11:09:00的发言：

逗号后面的部分作状语，相当于women（逻辑主语）more reported high marital satisfaction（so） than those who retired，比较结构。

so 可以指代词组的吧

再问一下这个题，我的理解跟这位一样，so应该指代的是women（逻辑主语）more reported high marital satisfaction

请斑斑再给详解一下哈。

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-5-3 15:06
考试遇到这种题必死无疑

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-5-3 16:13
so代reported high marital satisfaction

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-5-3 16:55

明白了，刚刚又把题目仔细体会了一下。

谢谢斑斑！

作者: shirky2009 时间: 2009-5-30 02:05

此题比较主语怎么把谓语给省略掉了？不是会造成歧义？

作者: hifi200111 时间: 2009-5-30 11:16

个人认为，此题ETS考察的目的，
more...than 的用法，主要是考察对比对象是否一致，即they---those的使用

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-7-6 20:30

这道题今天做得时候又有一些想法：

我先试着把原句的句子结构列一下：A study...found that...women(who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers) (were)reported high marital satisfaction, more (were) reported high marital satisfaction than those who retired completely.不知道这里是否应该补出were

我觉得这道题的关键，也就是大家经常搞不懂的 more so than其实表达的是women 1(前面的)和women2(后面的)marital satisfaction程度的比较，不是我们经常遇到的more than那种数量的比较。我在做这道题时就以为是women1 more than women2，后来想想so其实就是要表达这种high marital satisfaction的比较。

所以，如果我想把选项改为

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than those
who retired completely. 是不符合题目原意的。

大家看是这样理解吧？

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-7-6 21:33
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作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-7-7 14:18
沒有were, 也沒有被省的were
如果有(被省的)were, 那邏輯意思就不對...

作者: Keavy 时间: 2009-7-7 14:40

比较对象的问题

114. A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.

(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(D) which was more so than those retiring

(E) which was more than if they had retired

后两个比较容易看出来，所以我解释前三个

A省略了(THEY ARE) , 和 B的错误差不多，如果补齐了就是

妇女甲在退休后又找到新工作的话，那么她现在比她如果完全退休了要幸福

比较对象是妇女甲和妇女甲自己比较

C的意思是，妇女甲在退休后找到新工作，那么她比妇女乙丙丁。。。要幸福

MORE SO 的SO直代的是是（REPORTED HIGH MARITAL SATISFCATION)

后两个比较容易看出来，所以我解释前三个

A省略了(THEY ARE) , 和 B的错误差不多，如果补齐了就是

妇女甲在退休后又找到新工作的话，那么她现在比她如果完全退休了要幸福

比较对象是妇女甲和妇女甲自己比较

C的意思是，妇女甲在退休后找到新工作，那么她比妇女乙丙丁。。。要幸福

MORE SO 的SO直代的是是（REPORTED HIGH MARITAL SATISFCATION)

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-7-7 15:40

啊?我理解错了？我觉得这句话主干就是：

a study...found that women...(were) reported high marital satisfaction,如果这里没有were的话，women应该是study的对象，应该是被report的啊？

如果women主动report的话就有点奇怪，但是也没有错。

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-7-7 23:38
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作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-7-7 23:52

在一个对家庭生活得study里面，women叙述或呈现(report:to relate or tell about; present)了更大的满足感.

是women自己叙述，不是被别人说成有更大满足感.所以没有were更符合逻辑

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-7-7 23:58

嗯，想明白了，谢谢斑斑。

这个不是考点，自己总容易太抠细节，呵呵，弄不清楚总是惦记。

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-7-8 00:07

以下是引用vivian0331在2009-7-7 23:58:00的发言：

嗯，想明白了，谢谢斑斑。

这个不是考点，自己总容易太抠细节，呵呵，弄不清楚总是惦记。

这样咬文嚼字挺好的，可以对很多词的理解更加透彻

作者: Liu_leaf 时间: 2009-7-11 22:09

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.

(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(D) which was more so than those retiring

(E) which was more than if they had retired

个人认为此题的比较对象不是satisfaction，而是women之间的比较，但是比较结果不是谁有更高的satisfaction，而是report satisfaction的次数（我认为，除了比较对象，我们还应该关注比较结果），因为如果比较的结果是satisfaction的话，原句应该用higher来修饰它，变为我们最经常看见的比较结构的结构：women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported higher marital satisfaction, than those who retired completely.(因为原句的宾语satisfaction抽象名词，逻辑上不会跟women混淆，所以应该不用补出谓语动词）；但是原句用了more than来修饰比较结构，所以我认为比较对象应该是women who...more reported high satisfaction than so those who retired completely，就如上面的NN说得，So指代reported high satisfaction。还请各位指教，不管从哪个角度来说，我认为so都是应该紧跟后面的women who retired conpletely，这样一来so应该出现在than的后面才对，为什么出现在more than之间呢？什么语法现象？

open to discuss!

作者: Brilliance 时间: 2009-7-23 14:21

求解

作者: 斯咏 时间: 2009-7-28 21:52
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作者: piggy724 时间: 2009-8-9 12:44

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction,more so than those who retired completely.

个人理解本句应该是比较不同妇女（women1，women2）在不同情况下（took new jobs after retiring，retire completely）的satisfaction。所以so指代satisfaction，只是不明白的是，如果将so的指代内容代入后句，变成more satisfaction than those who retired，那不变成了satisfaction和人those（即women2）比么？

恳请NN解释一下啊

作者: emilyzhang58 时间: 2009-8-9 13:23
so可以指代前面句子中的一个部分，不一定只能指代一个词的吧

作者: piggy724 时间: 2009-8-9 14:46
那请问这句话到底该怎么复原呢？

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-8-10 12:19

以下是引用piggy724在2009/8/9 12:44:00的发言：

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction,more so than those who retired completely.

恳请NN解释一下啊

so指代的是reported high marital satisfaction，而不仅仅是satisfaction.
A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more so than those who retired completely.
这句是主语+状语 vs. 主语+状语的双重比较。
umm,暂时没想到更好的该法，根据句意再写了下：
women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers were more likely to report high marital satisfaction than those who retired completely.

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-8-10 12:20
momo，忘了从html切换回来，都没分行了。

作者: wangluxb 时间: 2009-8-14 12:13
ding 28th floor

作者: lemuren 时间: 2009-8-15 20:58
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作者: sayhello1983 时间: 2009-8-15 21:40
好问题。不过就算懂了考试有几个人敢选C.

作者: z89113570 时间: 2009-9-1 20:44
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作者: beichenxuans 时间: 2009-9-5 10:59

以下是引用aeoluseros在2009/8/10 12:19:00的发言：

为什么不补were呢 than were those who retired completely.

than 前后都有名词会歧义的吧
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[此贴子已经被作者于2009/9/5 14:30:59编辑过]

作者: judyenglish 时间: 2009-9-26 13:46
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作者: michellejoy 时间: 2009-10-7 22:33

StaceyKoprince from ManhattanGMAT

It is used in making a "more than" type of comparison where you also want to refer to a previously stated verb / action (that's where the "so" comes in). In this case, the "so" refers to "reported high marital satisfaction."

Notice here that you are comparing two groups of women: those who take new jobs, and those who retire completely. When making a comparison, you have to make sure you explicitly mention both groups.

B, C, and D don't do this. (In fact, B and D change the original meaning of the sentence to make the second part of the comparison a hypothetical - but the original meaning is that the ones who take new jobs are being compared to those who don't.)

Also remember that, for comparisons, they two things / groups / whatever compared should be parallel. "women who took" and "those who retired" are parallel. The other options aren't.

the rule i like to use here is this: if it's not a specific NOUN that can be replaced by a PRONOUN (usually "it"), then use the all-purpose replacement "...so".
perhaps the most common usage in which you'll see this is "do it" vs. "do so":
wrong: i've always wanted to jump out of a plane, but i've never had the chance to do it. --> this is wrong because the only possible antecedent for "it" is plane, and it doesn't make any sense to talk about "doing" a plane.
correct: i've always wanted to jump out of a plane, but i've never had the chance to do so. --> "do so" = jump out of a plane.

you would extend this same type of extra freedom to "more so": if the comparison isn't quite parallel, and/or is ambiguous, without the "so", then go ahead and toss it in there; it doesn't have to have a single-word antecedent

作者: lpdeng 时间: 2009-10-18 06:53
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作者: 妖怪毛毛 时间: 2009-10-29 20:17

作者: running2k 时间: 2010-1-18 10:44

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.

(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(C) more so than those who retired

(D) which was more so than those retiring

(E) which was more than if they had retired

个人认为此题的比较对象不是satisfaction，而是women之间的比较，但是比较结果不是谁有更高的satisfaction，而是report satisfaction的次数（我认为，除了比较对象，我们还应该关注比较结果），因为如果比较的结果是satisfaction的话，原句应该用higher来修饰它，变为我们最经常看见的比较结构的结构：women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported higher marital satisfaction, than those who retired completely.(因为原句的宾语satisfaction抽象名词，逻辑上不会跟women混淆，所以应该不用补出谓语动词）；但是原句用了more than来修饰比较结构，所以我认为比较对象应该是women who...more reported high satisfaction than so those who retired completely，就如上面的NN说得，So指代reported high satisfaction。还请各位指教，不管从哪个角度来说，我认为so都是应该紧跟后面的women who retired conpletely，这样一来so应该出现在than的后面才对，为什么出现在more than之间呢？什么语法现象？

open to discuss!

-- by 会员 Liu_leaf (2009/7/11 22:09:00)

个人比较同意这个观点，我来把原文重现一下：

more (women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers ) so (=reported high marital satisfaction ) than those retired completely.

这个MORE我觉得不是adv的比较次，而是数量的adj的比较词，翻译过来就是相比于那些退休后就不在工作的女士，更多的退休后又工作的女士对婚姻很满意。

作者: jiaxizou 时间: 2010-2-3 13:05

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.
(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(C) more so than those who retired

(D) which was more so than those retiring

(E) which was more than if they had retired

个人认为此题的比较对象不是satisfaction，而是women之间的比较，但是比较结果不是谁有更高的satisfaction，而是report satisfaction的次数（我认为，除了比较对象，我们还应该关注比较结果），因为如果比较的结果是satisfaction的话，原句应该用higher来修饰它，变为我们最经常看见的比较结构的结构：women who took new jobs after retiring from their primary careers reported higher marital satisfaction, than those who retired completely.(因为原句的宾语satisfaction抽象名词，逻辑上不会跟women混淆，所以应该不用补出谓语动词）；但是原句用了more than来修饰比较结构，所以我认为比较对象应该是women who...more reported high satisfaction than so those who retired completely，就如上面的NN说得，So指代reported high satisfaction。还请各位指教，不管从哪个角度来说，我认为so都是应该紧跟后面的women who retired conpletely，这样一来so应该出现在than的后面才对，为什么出现在more than之间呢？什么语法现象？

open to discuss!

-- by 会员 Liu_leaf (2009/7/11 22:09:00)

-- by 会员 running2k (2010/1/18 10:44:27)

被楼上两位误导了好久，今天终于明了了，不过感谢两位让我更深层次认识了同位语和状语的运用。此题中的more than when retiring completely是状语结构修饰的是reported，而不是你们认为的同位语结构，同位语补充后有很多漏洞women who...和more than when...他们并不是同一类别的东西，所以more than根本无法做为同位语修饰women名词。如果对同位语是否同类有疑问，可以去研究下老prep150题。

我的看法如下：还原句子后的结构应该是women reported high marital satisfaction more than those who retired. 但是答案里面有逗号，所以还原后为women reported high marital satisfaction, more so(reported high marital satisfaction) than those who retired. 所以这里的逗号把原来和reported有联系的句子分开了，但是为了体现和reported之间的关系所以用了so=reported high marital satisfaction来表示状语的关系以免修饰不清。

看了这个贴还不是很清楚的同学可以看看另外一个帖子是专门讨论这个题趋向状语方面的。链接如下：http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-328833-1-1.html

作者: angusco 时间: 2010-4-1 19:04

晕了

作者: DaisyGu 时间: 2011-4-3 16:53
个人认为：
C中之所以有so是因为：
原文想表达的是在X情况（退休后又找新工作）下的妇女报告了高满意度；Y情况下（完全退休）的妇女也表达了高满意度。但是原句想要对比的是前者比后者更可能表达出这样的高满意度！！
如果将so去掉，就变成 X情况下报告高满意度的妇女和Y情况下的妇女作对比，这两者显然是不对等的，也不符合原文的逻辑含义。
所以C项是正确的，so代表的就是reported high marital satisfaction

作者: DaisyGu 时间: 2011-4-3 16:53
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作者: 小花呱 时间: 2011-8-10 14:15
og12的貌似是第一题：who so named中的so 也是指代。
同意这里的so指代reported high satisification. 必须这里用so以避免women歧义。

作者: aqiu41 时间: 2011-11-5 14:24
35楼精解！up up

作者: alicezyk 时间: 2012-9-11 22:27
顶35楼~~！

作者: Emilychenlu 时间: 2013-8-30 11:41

liu4949 发表于 2008-9-13 21:14
 so＝reported high marital satisfaction

我觉得把，这里是不同的妇女的比较，不能够用those，those不就是指代了前面的那一群妇女吗，是指同一群妇女？请赐教

作者: 吴下锕蒙 时间: 2013-11-17 09:09

Emilychenlu 发表于 2013-8-30 11:41
我觉得把，这里是不同的妇女的比较，不能够用those，those不就是指代了前面的那一群妇女吗，是指同一群妇 ...

亲，你记反了

人称代词如it they them是指代同一批人；

指示代词如that those是不同一批人；

作者: FQY315 时间: 2015-5-17 19:04
Manhattan Instructor,觉得解释得很透彻：

“more so" is used in making a "more than" type of comparison where you also want to refer to a previously stated verb / action (that's where the "so" comes in). In this case, the "so" refers to "reported high marital satisfaction."

而关于在more than这种比较结构里为什么用so,什么时间用so:
if it's not a specific NOUN that can be replaced by a PRONOUN (usually "it"), then use the all-purpose replacement "...so".
perhaps the most common usage in which you'll see this is "do it" vs. "do so":
wrong: i've always wanted to jump out of a plane, but i've never had the chance to do it. --> this is wrong because the only possible antecedent for "it" is plane, and it doesn't make any sense to talk about "doing" a plane.
correct: i've always wanted to jump out of a plane, but i've never had the chance to do so. --> "do so" = jump out of a plane.

you would extend this same type of extra freedom to "more so": if the comparison isn't quite parallel, and/or is ambiguous, without the "so", then go ahead and toss it in there; it doesn't have to have a single-word antecedent.

作者: blueepink 时间: 2018-12-19 21:06
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