关于more than结构是否能充当同位语？
prep1-98
A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.
(A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as
(B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that
(C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop
(D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that
(E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that
答案：D
prep1-33
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
(C) Siberia's
(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's
(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
答案：A
问题：
prep对于这两题的解释明显存在矛盾，98题（prep解释为E的错误在于more than不是合理的同位语结构，所以用a drop概括前面部分的意思，构成独立主格）；33题（prep解释为A的more than结构是很好的同位语结构），按照我的理解，是否应该把答案改成 the quantity more than all the North American Great Lakes combined ？ 查询了以前的帖子，同僚有同样疑惑：http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=340678&replyID=&skin=1 请各位NN指教，谢谢！
查询了以前的帖子，同僚有同样疑惑：http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=340678&replyID=&skin=1
请各位NN指教，谢谢！
同问,我33也是选e的
a的morethan是修饰啥的呀?
33. more than 300 rivers在这边我认为就是句子的主词，并没有修饰谁
然后后面的more than all the North American Great Lakes combined就是作同位语修饰20 percent of the world's fresh water
我在这边是疑惑选项(D)
非限制形容词子句which不能修饰名词短语马？
例如他说which不能指20 percent of the world's fresh water 只能指the world's fresh water
那同位语就可以修饰名词短语？
请NN帮忙解惑......
我也有对于E的疑惑，觉得E的解释关于将BAIKAL与5大湖直接进行比较，概念不对等有问题，湖与湖比较应该对等才对啊。
而且，E选项还原之后应该是More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.我不觉的整句话有问题啊。
且这里我的疑问是combined是作为后置定语还是做谓语啊？如果是谓语的话，比较的两边时态不对等啊？
请指教！
关于more than结构是否能充当同位语？
prep1-98
A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as in the nation as a whole.
(A) per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs annually per person to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as
(B) annual per capita consumption of cigarettes in California declined from over 125 packs to about 60, more than twice as great as that
(C) California's annual per capita consumption of cigarettes declined from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as the drop
(D) California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that
(E) California has seen annual per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs per person to about 60, more than twice as great as that
答案：D
prep1-33
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
(C) Siberia's
(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's
(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
答案：A
问题：
prep对于这两题的解释明显存在矛盾，98题（prep解释为E的错误在于more than不是合理的同位语结构，所以用a drop概括前面部分的意思，构成独立主格）；33题（prep解释为A的more than结构是很好的同位语结构），按照我的理解，是否应该把答案改成 the quantity more than all the North American Great Lakes combined ？ 查询了以前的帖子，同僚有同样疑惑：http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=340678&replyID=&skin=1 请各位NN指教，谢谢！
查询了以前的帖子，同僚有同样疑惑：http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=340678&replyID=&skin=1
请各位NN指教，谢谢！
查询了以前的帖子，同僚有同样疑惑：http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=340678&replyID=&skin=1
请各位NN指教，谢谢！
这两题还是有区别的。98 中a drop 概括了 decline from ... to 这个过程，所以要用 a drop 对全句概括；而33题more than ...结构是与20 percent of the world's fresh water， 而不是与holds 20% of ... 同位，所以没有必要a quantity。
关于33题E选项，more than all the North American Great Lakes combined 是不能修饰紧接的的Lake Baikal的: 首先combined是过去分词，受动者是All NA Great Lakes，而不是Lake Baikal; 其次，逻辑上more than all ...是修饰20% of the World's fresh water, 作为同位语放在其后面。
按照ls的观点，将combined作为过去分词，起到后置定语的作用，E选项确实有点问题。
将E还原之后，为
Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water more than all the North American Great Lakes.
那么如果是lake Baikal与all the North American Great Lakes相比，产生歧义，没有补足助动词。如果将20 percent of the world's fresh water与all the North American Great Lakes相比，比较对象不对等。
是否可以这样理解呢？
请指教！
回答楼主问题：
more than不能作同位语，但能作定语/状语。
以prep1－98为例：正确答案D为：
A decade after initiating the nation's most comprehensive and aggressive antismoking program, California has seen per capita consumption of cigarettes decline from over 125 packs annually to about 60, a drop more than twice as great as that in the nation as a whole.
如果D省去a drop，more than短语可以在句末作状语修饰主句动词seen，逻辑不对。more than也可看作省略了which is的非限制性定语修饰前面的名词60，同样逻辑不通。
为了清楚地跳跃修饰60前面的名词decline，我们必须将定语改为同位语结构：a drop more than。drop非常有针对性地指代decline这个过程而不会产生修饰60的歧义，既符合语法规则又符合逻辑。
33. more than 300 rivers在这边我认为就是句子的主词，并没有修饰谁
然后后面的more than all the North American Great Lakes combined就是作同位语修饰20 percent of the world's fresh water
我在这边是疑惑选项(D)
非限制形容词子句which不能修饰名词短语马？
例如他说which不能指20 percent of the world's fresh water 只能指the world's fresh water
那同位语就可以修饰名词短语？
请NN帮忙解惑......
同疑问，期待NN解答。。。
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(A) More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's
(B) With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
(C) Siberia's
(D) While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's
(E) More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's
E中More than all the North American Great Lakes combined修饰Siberia's
正确比较是holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water More than all the North American Great Lakes combined
33. more than 300 rivers在这边我认为就是句子的主词，并没有修饰谁
然后后面的more than all the North American Great Lakes combined就是作同位语修饰20 percent of the world's fresh water
我在这边是疑惑选项(D)
非限制形容词子句which不能修饰名词短语马？
例如他说which不能指20 percent of the world's fresh water 只能指the world's fresh water
那同位语就可以修饰名词短语？
请NN帮忙解惑......
在我非专业只凭语感做题的水平看来，D)的问题是While，要是改成With我就会觉得蛮好了。which指代的就是20 percent of the world's fresh water，因为20 percent of是量词
(D) With more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's
网上搜到了这样的例句，不知道能不能相提并论。20 percent of the world's fresh water 应该与 20 pounds of water从结构上没有什么区别吧。
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我也有对于E的疑惑，觉得E的解释关于将BAIKAL与5大湖直接进行比较，概念不对等有问题，湖与湖比较应该对等才对啊。
而且，E选项还原之后应该是More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water.我不觉的整句话有问题啊。
且这里我的疑问是combined是作为后置定语还是做谓语啊？如果是谓语的话，比较的两边时态不对等啊？
请指教！
我认为原句中More than all the North American Great Lakes combined修饰20 percent water, 意思是BAIKAL的水比5大湖的水加起来要多，而E选项中More than all the North American Great Lakes combined用来修饰5大湖，意思是BAIKAL比五大湖加起来要多，逻辑意思不合理。
笔记上所说的“将BAIKAL与5大湖直接进行比较，概念不对等有问题”应该是这个意思吧。
| Hi All, Following is one of the right answers of GMAT Prep question: Can someone please help me understand how the following comparison is complete. Don't we need "that of" before "all" to complete the comparison. =========================================== More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. ============================================== There are some examples in OG where it clearly say that in order to complete the comparison we need to have that/those. Can some one please tell why the same is not the case here ? ============================================= The original question is copy pasted below for quick reference. The OA is "A" More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. A. More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. B. With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it. C. Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent. D. While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. E. More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water. |
We would have used the relative pronoun "that" to refer to fresh water, if we were comparing fresh water.. Here the case is that we are not comparing fresh water capacity of lake baikal with that of other north american lakes..
we are just comparing the total capacity of lake baikal.. its a special quality of lake baikal tht it holds fresh water...
Let's say the total number of litres of the world's fresh water = 100
then Lake baikals capacity out of hundred = 20
Let's say that total capacity of north american lakes = 18
Now all we are saying is that "More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 litres of fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined.
and so you can see that we don't need to use the relative pronoun..
2.
yeah, ok, i see what you're saying. that's a very good question.
here's what's going on here:
"more than all the North American Great Lakes combined" is actually a MODIFIER of "20% of the world's fresh water", which is WITHIN the first MODIFIER. therefore, it's a SUB-modifier, so to speak.
let me try to illustrate it graphically:
More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal(, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water(, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined)).
the blue modifier modifies stuff that's inside the orange modifier, so it falls within the orbit of the orange modifier; it MUST be removed if the orange modifier is removed (because it has nothing left to modify).
let me know whether this makes sense.
orange and blue: go gators!
我觉得其实这两道题均强调的是比较中比较对象要对等的问题，而产生这种表面差异也正是由于要保证比较对象对等的问题。
98题中，B选项如果直接用MORE than 的表达会产生比较对象的缺失或者是比较的歧意：that in the nation要不就是没有比较对象，要不就只能与60对比，不合题意，故a drop就是为了弥补比较的对象所补出的同位语。
而在下一题里，more than 有比较对象可以直接比较
| Hi All, Following is one of the right answers of GMAT Prep question: Can someone please help me understand how the following comparison is complete. Don't we need "that of" before "all" to complete the comparison. =========================================== More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. ============================================== There are some examples in OG where it clearly say that in order to complete the comparison we need to have that/those. Can some one please tell why the same is not the case here ? ============================================= The original question is copy pasted below for quick reference. The OA is "A" More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. A. More than 300 rivers drain into Siberia's Lake Baikal, which holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. B. With 20 percent of the world's fresh water, that is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal has more than 300 rivers that drain into it. C. Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, it holds more of the world's fresh water than all that of the North American Great Lakes combined, 20 percent. D. While more than 300 rivers drain into it, Siberia's Lake Baikal holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water, which is more than all the North American Great Lakes combined. E. More than all the North American Great Lakes combined, Siberia's Lake Baikal, with more than 300 rivers draining into it, holds 20 percent of the world's fresh water. |
minirainbow 发表于 2008-10-26 22:25
33. more than 300 rivers在这边我认为就是句子的主词，并没有修饰谁然后后面的more than all the North Am ...
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