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标题: GWD29-24 比较中让人始终不能理解的地方,都来看看吧,肯定对大家很有用的! [打印本页]

作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-8-30 20:27
标题: GWD29-24 比较中让人始终不能理解的地方,都来看看吧,肯定对大家很有用的!

GWD29-24

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

  1. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

  2. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

  3. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

  4. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

  5. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

 这道题正确选项是C,我错选了B,但是看过前人的讨论此题说正选是B...到现在我还是不知道选什么,不过这不重要了,现在我的问题集中在以下2点

1.B中的助动词是不是一定不可以省?因为省去后是不是引起了宾语和主语比较混淆 
    wild animals have less total fat than livestock

2.C选是不是有比较对象不对等的问题呢?wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock

所以,希望NN们能告诉小弟这是怎么一回事请,主语和宾语的比较怎么个用法??

方便NN们寻找例子,有人用下面一例试图说明C的正确性

19. In addition to having more protein -than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

(A) the protein in rice is higher quality than that in

(B) rice has protein of higher quality than that in

(C) the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in

(D) rice protein is higher in quality than it is in


此题正选是B,没有问题,此题比较的是一种蛋白质和另一种蛋白质比质量,B选项很清楚。而如果变成rice has more protein than that of wheat...难免让人觉得别扭,是Rice和protein比吗?会引起误会吗?

我找了2本语法书都没有看到相关的解释,现在好急啊!!罗嗦了半天,请NN们能够告诉我到底这种问题怎么解决呢?大家请一定帮帮我啊!


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作者: goyce36    时间: 2008-8-30 20:50

我觉得C是正确的。

首先我没看出这两题有什么区别。OG19就是比较rice和wheat中的protein,这题是比较野生和家畜中的fat.因为是宾语比较,所以应该加上that of,否则就像你说的,会觉得是fat和livestock比较。

对于你的第二个问题,OG中的例子很多,比较对象是fat和that of livestock,对等。没有that of才不对等。不过感觉that in更好点。

A中的that do个人认为也可以。变为主语比较。

供参考


作者: zliycwn1    时间: 2008-8-30 20:56

看一下 比较之庖丁解牛 那篇

但是我也不是很清楚 比如这题可以宾语(两种fat)比较,也可以主语(两种动物)比较

这时候是不是1.要根据逻辑意思判断是哪种比较(虽然此题中两中比较皆可)2.无论是哪种都要等同比较?


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-8-31 01:53

谢谢zliycwn1 和 goyce36!!

我觉得两者的区别我觉得换成简单句如下

I have less fat than that of Mike 

I have a box that is heavier than that of Mike (这里我用that替换了of,两者本质是一样的,这样看比较清晰)

第一句还是会引起混淆,fat和fat比是没有区别的,都是fat,只有我去和Mike比,因为我的fat多?而第第二句就不会出现这种疑问,因为我的box和Mike的box本身有区别的...不知道我这么说goyce能不能理解我...但是我看了BY比较部分所有的60题,无一反例...还望讨论。。


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-1 18:15

没有人解释...

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作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-1 18:16
继续up
作者: liu4949    时间: 2008-9-1 20:14

GWD29-24

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

  1. wild animals have less total than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

  2. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

说说我的做题思路:正确答案不一定在语法上一点错误都没有,应该是其他4个选项的错误比这个正确答案的错误要更明显,这个是我做题的原则,也就是选优

B。more of a kind of fat thought to be

thought to be修饰fat,a kind of fat 中kind是中心词,这个你同意吧,more of a kind 中more是中心词,对吧,就是说more of a kind of fat thought to be中,最中心的词应该是more,对不对? 如果你说对,那B就错了,wild animals have less total and more ?!

再看C  wild animals have less total and more fat

我认识,所有的语法知识点都不是死的,就是没有一定对,或一定错的,如果能引起歧义的,就是错的,不会引起歧义的就可以用

在看B:wild animals have less total than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be ,你认为 livestock是省略了has,但我不认识,我认识是野的和家养的比,所以就出现了歧义,不同的人读这个句子有不同的解释

C:wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock除了是fat和fat of livestock,不会有其他的比较,没歧义,就算没有has,你还是得这么比


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作者: liu4949    时间: 2008-9-1 20:24

19. In addition to having more protein -than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

(A) the protein in rice is higher quality than that in

(B) rice has protein of higher quality than that in

(C) the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in

(D) rice protein is higher in quality than it is in

(E) rice has a protein higher in quality than

开头用In addition to having more protein,那主语就是rice不是protein,排除acd

剩下B,B很清楚了,

E,rice has a protion 米有一粒protion??

开头用In addition to having more protein,那主语就是rice不是protein,排除acd

剩下B,B很清楚了,

E,rice has a protion 米有一粒protion??


作者: rorochen    时间: 2008-9-1 21:50
  1. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

  2. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

选c, 选的时候,先考虑了AND的平行,如果是b, ..... than livestock ( fed on grain ) and  ( more of a kind of fat) 。。。不平行,逻辑也不对

c就比较好,wild animals have less.... than....  and have more.....

个人觉得作题不能太靠死的语法点,以前我也是向lz这样狂比较两个句子差别,可是做题还是错,最近prep语法,有点新感悟,就分享分享,lz也就随便看看吧

平行/比较对象对等,比较结构固定搭配(如as...as , more than) / 主位一致/分词修饰中的逻辑主语和主句主语一致/时态/指代/2个词意思重复 -- 最重要,凡是错,肯定错

接着再看比较中有没有补出主动词,状语位置对不对,句意有没有变化。。。。 这个是排除到只有2个左右,再用的


作者: dianecarton    时间: 2008-9-1 22:50

不知道


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作者: dianecarton    时间: 2008-9-1 22:52
我觉得语法最忌讳看答案往上套解释,一定要保留自己的想法,就算跟别人的不一样也不能人云亦云。
作者: dianecarton    时间: 2008-9-1 23:03

不懂


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作者: rorochen    时间: 2008-9-2 09:40
以下是引用dianecarton在2008-9-1 23:03:00的发言:
  1. C还有一个问题fat of a kind thought to be 显然没有a kind of fat thought to be 好。分词短语修饰fat而不是kind,虽然可以勉强说C逻辑上是修饰kind,但无故把a kind of sth.里面的a kind后置,令起修饰作用的分词短语需要跳过a kind来修饰中心词,明显是GMAC不提倡的做法。

            举例 Out of Americas fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture...... 这里把antique后置,是为了方便fascination with 可以直搭配all things.所以fat of a kind thought to be实非GMAC所好。

但是这里的antique后置是因为前面有things, 所以才后置

anthing, something, nothing, things, anyone, someone, no one, ones形容词后置。 


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-2 17:27
以下是引用dianecarton在2008-9-1 22:50:00的发言:

GWD29-24 我同意选B

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
     

C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

B里面省略了动词have,wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain (have)and more of a kind of fat thought to be 这个平行结构很完整,wild animals have 与 livestock have 比较,比较的内容有两个less total fat than和more of a kind of fat。

C的问题是 wild animals have 与 that(fat) of livestock 不平行,而且that of livestock与后面的have more fat  逻辑上也不平行。

C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

B里面省略了动词have,wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain (have)and more of a kind of fat thought to be 这个平行结构很完整,wild animals have 与 livestock have 比较,比较的内容有两个less total fat than和more of a kind of fat。

C的问题是 wild animals have 与 that(fat) of livestock 不平行,而且that of livestock与后面的have more fat  逻辑上也不平行。

C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

B里面省略了动词have,wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain (have)and more of a kind of fat thought to be 这个平行结构很完整,wild animals have 与 livestock have 比较,比较的内容有两个less total fat than和more of a kind of fat。

C的问题是 wild animals have 与 that(fat) of livestock 不平行,而且that of livestock与后面的have more fat  逻辑上也不平行。

小Diane,你还知道这里为什么要省略have,我看你发给我的prep上面说主谓宾结构全的句子比较一定要补动词或者助动词,这是个相对错误还是绝对错误??


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-5 15:16
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作者: goyce36    时间: 2008-9-6 20:19

不好意思,我现在才看到你的回复。我刚刚又仔细读了一下题目,觉得自己之前的结论太武断了。

我明白你的意思了。我现在也觉得C有问题。一般我们做的比较题目都可以在宾语比较和主语比较之间转换。而这题我说不好。如果只看前半句,我觉得应该是主语比较更好,即是wild animal和livestocks,而不是他们之间的fat比较,就像你说的,都是fat,与19题不同的是,19题比较的是蛋白质的数量,有可比性,这里单单比较脂肪。

但是请看后半句,后半句的比较说明两者的fat作者认为是有不同的。也就是说想比较的确实是脂肪的不同,而不是野生动物和家畜在脂肪上的不同。

希望多多讨论


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-6 21:28

顶一下,不知道主谓宾结构全的句子比较是否一定要补动词或者助动词呢?这是个相对错误还是绝对错误??

望NN们赐教,并多多参与此题的讨论!


作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-10 21:56
再顶一下,望NN指导..
作者: iser    时间: 2008-11-22 12:20

选C。关于比较结构中的省略参见crowkiller的总结。

本句的比较结构最正确的表述应该是A中的结构,
        
wild animals have less total fat than do livestock...(所以我后面都没看就选了A,汗)

B肯定是错的。主谓宾全型结构宾语比较必须补出助动词。

C虽然不规范,但是that指代fat,也还说得过去了。最重要的是结构正确,and连接两个谓语have...and have...


作者: snowJ    时间: 2009-3-5 23:18

如果楼上说B不对的话。

C也肯定不能是对的。

理由如下:

rice has more protein than wheat does                  对的
rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat  对的

看完了上边的两句,体会一下区别,接着看下边的


wild animals have less total fat than livestock dose 是对的
wild animals have less total fat than that(fat) of livestock 是错的
wild animals have fat of higher quality than that(fat) of/in livestock 是对的

wild animals have less total fat than livestock到底对不对 我不好说

wild animals have less total fat than that(fat) of livestock 是错的 是有原因的,它的句意肯定是不对的:

这句话还原了以后大概可以理解为: wild animals have less fat than the that(fat) of livestock has 即 野生动物比家畜的肥肉有更多的肥肉 比较对象不一致


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2009-3-5 23:56

C it is.

The two comparing things are fat and that.


作者: linlang    时间: 2009-3-10 15:34

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GWD29-24

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

1.      

 

2.       wild animals have less total than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

3.       wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

4.      

 

我也不明白 我选的C 但看答案说是B

主要不明白的地方倒不是哪两个相比较 而是助动词是否补出的问题 像C ...and have more...中的have 是否应该省略 像B 如果是 wild animals VS livestock 那 livestock前是否应该有相应的do or has?可是 前面的wild animals是复数  livestock是单数 单复数不能比较不对称吧。。。


作者: TopTwenty    时间: 2009-5-9 10:39

我认为答案应该是B。

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

该选项两个主要考点,一个是比较less...than...,一个是并列have less sth and more sth,还原的话应该是这样:

wild animals have less total fat than (do) livestock fed on grain and (have) more (fat that is) of a kind of fat thought to be...

注意,该比较结构中比较对象是wild animals和livestock,而不是fat。如果要比较fat,句子结构应该是

wild animals have total fat that is less than that of livestock...(句子很awkward,大家明白我的意思就行)

或者:the fat of wild animals is less than that of livestock...

所以C不正确。


作者: minititan    时间: 2009-6-22 10:25

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作者: msuzengli    时间: 2009-6-22 11:35

同意B.

我认为楼主举的OG的例子跟本题不同:

rice has protein of higher quality than that in

翻译过来是: 大米含有一种蛋白质, 这种蛋白质的质量高于小麦所含的蛋白质;

而这题则是:

 have less total fat than livestock fed on grain

野生动物比人养的牲口含有更少的脂肪;

注意它比较级形容词的位置,

OG题中higher修饰的是quality,这个quality是protein的quality,而不是跟主语对等的wheat的quality. 比较的是wheat和rice中的protein.所以需要"that in";

而GWD题中, 比较的则是野生动物和饲养动物谁含有更多的脂肪(which one has more fat? wild or livestock), 翻译过来也就是wild animals have less total fat than livestock have. 所以, 根据平行结构中的省略规则, 我们可以得出B答案.


作者: msuzengli    时间: 2009-6-22 11:51

举个浅显的例子:

同样的结构, i bought more apples than he did.


作者: feifeizoe    时间: 2009-8-31 23:04

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A.      wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B.       wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be -》这里的比较A do B than C do D 肯定是比较好的用法,但是也不是说绝对不能A do B than C (省略do D);这个and如果直接跟more of XXX fat, 那么前面平行的部分很清楚,应该是less total fat。

也就是说可以认为是:wild animals have less X and more Y than livestock fed on grain

C.      wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be-》这里的that of livestock XXX 的that of 指代不清,但是也不是绝对说不对。我觉得这里的主要问题是more fat of a kind thought to be, 看上去非常awkward。同时这里have XX and have XX 中第二个have可以省略

D.      total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E.       total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

好像应该是B,gwd的答案错了,这个也是PREP的题目。请大家讨论


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作者: ken178    时间: 2010-7-29 18:34
prep选什么?我觉得ANIMAL和Livestock来比啊,当时那个B选项and 后面怎么动词没了?请NN解答
作者: serene301    时间: 2010-7-29 22:57
看了前辈的讨论,汗颜```gmat语法真的是字斟句酌呀

个人认为b中and 后面的more of a kind of fat thought to be 中,more后面接介词短语,说明more这里是个代词,也就是and之后的宾语是more,与less total fat(fat是宾语,less是形容词,是状语)不平行,因为平行要含义一致,形式对等
c中less total fat 与more fat都是fat做宾语,可以平行!
作者: zinniz    时间: 2010-10-19 10:21
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