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作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-27 04:27
标题: prep1-124 if从句的内容对吗

124.      (31091-!-item-!-188;#058&004372)

Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world, an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.

(A) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

(B) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, and if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, it  

(C) if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

(D) the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, while if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, this substitution

(E) the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, while their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

BCD中的        if substituted...if used...有没有问题,感觉这个如果是省略的主语了

C好像没啥明显错误啊


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作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-8-27 04:50

我觉得B,C,D中:if + 过去式,表达了一种非真实条件了,好像是不可能实现的一样

C中第一个they,指代错误,应该是那个使用肥料的过程造成污染,也就是像A所说的use造成了污染。


作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-27 08:21

如果表达一种不可能实现的,应该用虚拟了,这里也没有用虚拟阿


作者: SuccessMBA08    时间: 2008-8-27 09:56
C关键是逻辑意思错了。不是化肥产生环境问题,是化肥的增加产生了问题
作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-27 10:34
prep上也是这么说的,可我总觉得有点牵强,如果考试的时候那还能分出来是化肥,还是化肥增长阿?
作者: SuccessMBA08    时间: 2008-8-27 10:42
以下是引用nemo11在2008-8-27 4:27:00的发言:

124.      (31091-!-item-!-188;#058&004372)

Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world, an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.

(A) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

(B) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, and if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, it  

(C) if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

(D) the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, while if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, this substitution

(E) the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, while their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

BCD中的        if substituted...if used...有没有问题,感觉这个如果是省略的主语了

C好像没啥明显错误啊


那你通过别的方式去除错误选项。 B,E错在举例用like, 可以排除。D中substituted for 和 substitution啰嗦。 C中语气不对,句子想表达是转折含义,但Cif表示了假设。。。如果。。。的含义。所以在GMAT中对于if 的出现我觉得一定要用语气来看是否对。


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-8-27 15:47

昨晚脑子不清楚,确实没用虚拟...只是省略了主语和be动词

if substituted for more traditional fertilizers这个用法是对的,只是第一跟前面不平行对称,第二后面的主语it,they指代不清。


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-8-27 15:49
以下是引用nemo11在2008-8-27 10:34:00的发言:
prep上也是这么说的,可我总觉得有点牵强,如果考试的时候那还能分出来是化肥,还是化肥增长阿?

这个要看状态,我觉得有时候一眼看到就知道了...

你像化肥不去用怎么会污染环境呢...棒子也是要乱丢才会砸到花花草草的


作者: shenweijing    时间: 2008-10-21 17:58
A中第二个their指代不明啊,应该是fertilizer 可成了problems啊???
作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-2-17 13:11
我怎么觉得 an increase can create environmental problems 逻辑不对呀。

increase 能 create 吗?

作者: nemo11    时间: 2009-2-17 13:20

回LS

不是an increase 产生environmental problems,而是 an increase in their use (合成化肥使用的增长)会产生environmental problems.


作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-2-17 13:54
多谢LS,
还是觉得有点怪怪的。
另 C
if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

我觉得也没有明显的错误啊,if引导条件句,是说在此前提下,使用synthetic fertilizers会产生环境问题。逻辑意思合理。
我也不同意语法注解上说的第二个they指代不清。
if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion. 因为if后省略了主语,所以if后的主语只能是they, they 不可能指代traditional fertilizers, 否则就变成了 traditional fertilizers used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers.
所以they 只能指代synthetic fertilizers.
如果说非要认定A是正确的话,也只能是使用if条件句,引起了意思改变,像是hypothesis.


作者: nemo11    时间: 2009-2-17 14:11

Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world, an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.

(A) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

(B) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, and if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, it  
            

(C) if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

这个帖子是我去年发的,今天再看居然又有新的感觉。

songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。

    而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚

2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~


作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-2-17 23:06
以下是引用nemo11在2009-2-17 14:11:00的发言:

songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。

    而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚

2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~

谢谢楼主,我赞同第一条,但是对第二条有异议,C中明明有条件句,表明了只有用多了时候,化肥才造成环境问题。首先条件句已经肯定了使用,其次限定了条件,只有在增加了使用量的前提下,化肥造成环境问题才成立。

再来看一个答案选项含有if 条件句的例子

114. (30583-!-item-!-188;#058&004275)

 

A study on couples' retirement transitions found that women who took new jobs after retiring from

their primary careers reported high marital satisfaction, more than when retiring completely.

 

(A) more than when retiring

(B) more than if they were to retire

(C) more so than those who retired

(D) which was more so than those retiring (C)

(E) which was more than if they had retired

我觉得从语法的角度(B)也没错,只是使用了条件句,变成了hypothesis。另但从原句来看,看不出原意是women自己和自己比,还是和另一伙人比。所以但从those角度排除选项比较牵强。

这么看来,答案中如果改用if条件句,好像都是错误答案选项。可能太绝对,如发现反例,请告知。


作者: nemo11    时间: 2009-2-18 00:20

上边这倒题是比较 more than前后比较对象要对等,if....显然不对等,所以从语法上来说是错的。

比较对象是:没有完全退休的女人和完全退休的女人,不是同一伙人,所以用those比较合理比起they。

但是我还是不觉得if条件从句是判断的依据。


作者: smartsky11    时间: 2009-3-29 21:56
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作者: 没办法1987    时间: 2009-8-20 10:11
以下是引用nemo11在2009/2/17 14:11:00的发言:

Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world, an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.

(A) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers

(B) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, and if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, it  
   

(C) if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

这个帖子是我去年发的,今天再看居然又有新的感觉。

songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。

    而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚

2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~

我对第一条有异议,怎么就没有主句了呢?

Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world,if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.

红色部分不就是主句么

例句:If you need money, I can lend you some.

你不能说他没有主句啊,照这样说法,那岂不是所有条件句都没有主句了??

我觉得还是得从代词指代和逻辑上来判断


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作者: silence05    时间: 2010-7-28 15:13
如果是代词指代方向分析的话  那A选项中的两个their 都存在指代不清的问题呢
作者: hnqxsky    时间: 2011-2-22 10:18
我也觉得指代不是很清楚
作者: jaze    时间: 2011-4-6 20:27
以下是引用nemo11在2009/2/17 14:11:00的发言:
Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world, an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.















(A) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and their substitution for more traditional fertilizers







(B) an increase in their use can create serious environmental problems like water pollution, and if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, it  
 







(C) if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they

这个帖子是我去年发的,今天再看居然又有新的感觉。
songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。
   而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚
2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~
我对第一条有异议,怎么就没有主句了呢?
Whereas the use of synthetic fertilizers has greatly expanded agricultural productivity in many parts of the world,if these fertilizers are used increasingly, they can create serious environmental problems such as water pollution, and if used as substitutions for more traditional fertilizers, they may accelerate soil structure deterioration and soil erosion.
红色部分不就是主句么
例句:If you need money, I can lend you some.
你不能说他没有主句啊,照这样说法,那岂不是所有条件句都没有主句了??
我觉得还是得从代词指代和逻辑上来判断
-- by 会员 没办法1987 (2009/8/20 10:11:00)






作者: 夜色微蓝    时间: 2011-4-21 14:59

songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。
   而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚
2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~
-- by 会员 nemo11 (2009/2/17 14:11:00)



有人给出定论吗?楼主的这种说法,是否正确?
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2011-4-26 09:55

songlovegt我现说说我得看法哈。

1)whereas可以做连词引导句子,而C中变成了 whereas...., if...and if.... 都是连词引导的从句了,主句就没有了。
   而A中则是 whereas..., an increas...and....主从句很清楚
2)they的指代,在C中they从逻辑意思上看是指代these fertilizers,而these fertilizers又指代synthetic fertilizers,也就是说“这个合成化肥会导致严重的环境问题”逻辑上:不是化肥造成环境问题(合成化肥如果不使用呢),而是使用合成化肥造成环境问题。有点儿咬文嚼字的感觉了~

欢迎排砖~
-- by 会员 nemo11 (2009/2/17 14:11:00)





有人给出定论吗?楼主的这种说法,是否正确?
-- by 会员 夜色微蓝 (2011/4/21 14:59:50)



1. 有存在主句,但是第一个if条件句存在夹心修饰的现象。
2. 第二点支持songlovegt的说法: C中明明有条件句,表明了只有用多了时候,化肥才造成环境问题。首先条件句已经肯定了使用,其次限定了条件,只有在增加了使用量的前提下,化肥造成环境问题才成立。
3. C里面第二个they问题不大,平行指代,让人很容易发现they是指代synethic fertilizers的.
4. C中虽然if条件句的表达(条件句主语省略)没问题,但是整句表达相当累赘 --> 大毛病。

因此1,4应该就是c不好的地方.
作者: blackcherry    时间: 2011-4-27 20:22
看了大家说了那么多,发表下自己的意见
个人觉得Whereas the use of ...., an increase in their use....更平行一些,句意十分清晰明显。是两种use的对比,一种是正常情况也就是合理使用时有.....等等好处,而另一种use也就是当这种使用increase的时候,会有.....等等坏处,而C这种对比就被弱化了很多,明显不如A好~
作者: mia113    时间: 2011-8-31 16:50
支持楼上····灰常同意····
还想再问下D选项中
the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems such as
water pollution, while if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, this substitution
除了while 表转折错, while...整句没有A平行 简介以外
前面的the increased usage是不是也有问题··use:使用, 而usage: 用途,用法 好像也不一样··
前如同ls说的一样 whereas引导 两种使用(use)的对比· 这里是否可以通过usage将D排除了吖?
作者: jessegxy    时间: 2011-10-4 11:35
C还是逻辑意思的问题。they的指代没有问题,平行的指代,两个they在两个条件从句里都指代synthetic f...
作者: 冰水旋律    时间: 2011-11-4 00:04
支持楼上····灰常同意····
还想再问下D选项中
the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems such as
water pollution, while if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, this substitution
除了while 表转折错, while...整句没有A平行 简介以外
前面的the increased usage是不是也有问题··use:使用, 而usage: 用途,用法 好像也不一样··
前如同ls说的一样 whereas引导 两种使用(use)的对比· 这里是否可以通过usage将D排除了吖?
-- by 会员 mia113 (2011/8/31 16:50:36)




我觉得是,在这句“while if substituted for more traditional fertiliaers, this substitution....”中, “this substitution” 是“ if substituted”的主语, 也就是说 "if this substitution was substituted for ... " 好像不是很对...
不知道理解对不对....
作者: vinbobo    时间: 2011-11-4 21:45
支持楼上····灰常同意····
还想再问下D选项中
the increased usage of these fertilizers can create serious environmental problems such as
water pollution, while if substituted for more traditional fertilizers, this substitution
除了while 表转折错, while...整句没有A平行 简介以外
前面的the increased usage是不是也有问题··use:使用, 而usage: 用途,用法 好像也不一样··
前如同ls说的一样 whereas引导 两种使用(use)的对比· 这里是否可以通过usage将D排除了吖?
-- by 会员 mia113 (2011/8/31 16:50:36)





我觉得是,在这句“while if substituted for more traditional fertiliaers, this substitution....”中, “this substitution” 是“ if substituted”的主语, 也就是说 "if this substitution was substituted for ... " 好像不是很对...
不知道理解对不对....
-- by 会员 冰水旋律 (2011/11/4 0:04:19)



这个省略的确是你考虑的这样,而且这个while也莫名奇妙

C错误的个人简介:
未画线部分是完成时,因此对应应该陈诉一个事实比较好,而不是一个条件句;
由于whereas,if,主句,这种结构是前后句子的逻辑关系不明确,whereas之后应该马上主句为好,如为条件句最后后移




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