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作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-8 09:08
标题: prep1-139 还是不懂

139.      (32262-!-item-!-188;#058&006043)

 

On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

 

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

C怎么不对了？

作者: genebaobao    时间: 2008-8-8 10:38

GMAC更喜欢倒装句，比较牛

作者: sliton    时间: 2008-8-8 10:41
你要考虑位置，后一句是年轮对于树，前一句也应有对用顺序
作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-8 11:11
喜欢到装，可是不到装咋就不对呢？
作者: xueyu815    时间: 2008-8-8 11:36

后面的as seen应该紧跟修饰名词，修饰的是树的生长，而C中离as seen 最近的是sunspot circle 不如E好

作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-8-8 15:29

as引导非限制性定语从句，指代整个主句内容，从句可置于句首，句中或句尾。在这里要修饰trees grow，同which,that一样要跟修饰的对象尽量靠近否则会有歧义。as比较特殊的，不是修饰单个名词，而是修饰动作的。

作者: nemo11    时间: 2008-8-9 11:53
as也能引导定语从句吗？
作者: shuishui_xp    时间: 2008-9-30 23:11
以下是引用nemo11在2008-8-8 9:08:00的发言：

139.      (32262-!-item-!-188;#058&006043)

 

 

On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

 

 

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

C怎么不对了？

说几个看法，欢迎拍砖。这个their我认为是trees；

我看这个题目的时候，特别关注了一下seen, 应该呼应的是indications.

作者: emilyzouduff    时间: 2008-10-14 15:18
以下是引用sliton在2008-8-8 10:41:00的发言：
你要考虑位置，后一句是年轮对于树，前一句也应有对用顺序

谢谢提醒，貌似突然懂了这个题~

Among
                the surest
                        indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees

grow as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections
                    of their trunks.

中的HIGHLIGHT部分是平行对称的吧！as seen作为好像...讲，相当于是比较

所以要平行？！个人意见，仅供参考。还望NN们赐教~~！

 

作者: balabaladou7    时间: 2009-2-16 15:30
以下是引用aeoluseros在2008-8-8 15:29:00的发言：

as引导非限制性定语从句，指代整个主句内容，从句可置于句首，句中或句尾。在这里要修饰trees grow，同which,that一样要跟修饰的对象尽量靠近否则会有歧义。as比较特殊的，不是修饰单个名词，而是修饰动作的。

赞！

作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-16 21:05
这里的用法，请高手总结。as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks
作者: fightbear    时间: 2009-2-16 22:02

as可以作代词，指代前面的句子。例如：

Indirect socialization also occurs, as when television shows or films reinforce stereotyped images of women and men.

作者: fightbear    时间: 2009-2-16 22:04
所以这句话里as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks应该作为代词独立主格结构
作者: fightbear    时间: 2009-2-16 22:17
以下是引用nemo11在2008-8-8 11:11:00的发言：
喜欢到装，可是不到装咋就不对呢？

会不会是on earth的位置引起的。。。。

作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-2-18 11:48
以下是引用aeoluseros在2008-8-8 15:29:00的发言：

as引导非限制性定语从句，指代整个主句内容，从句可置于句首，句中或句尾。在这里要修饰trees grow，同which,that一样要跟修饰的对象尽量靠近否则会有歧义。as比较特殊的，不是修饰单个名词，而是修饰动作的。

完全赞同版主的解释。

此处，as 可解释为 in the way that, 修饰trees grow.

Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow, in the way that is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

倒装的目的就是为了 as 引导的非限定性定于从句紧跟其修饰对象。

作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 19:16
以下是引用fightbear在2009-2-16 22:02:00的发言：

as可以作代词，指代前面的句子。例如：

Indirect socialization also occurs, as when television shows or films reinforce stereotyped images of women and men.

1、请问这句话是什么意思啊？

2、as在这里也是指代前面的一句话吗？那怎么后面又有when状语从句啊？

作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 19:20
以下是引用fightbear在2009-2-16 22:04:00的发言：
所以这句话里as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks应该作为代词独立主格结构

不知道我理解的和你说的一样吗？望指正

as指代前面的Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

独立主格结构里面有个，名词+过去分词 的构成形式，所以就是 as（名词） seen（过去分词） in the rings。。。

作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 19:41
以下是引用songlovegt在2009-2-18 11:48:00的发言：

完全赞同版主的解释。

此处，as 可解释为 in the way that, 修饰trees grow.

Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow, in the way that is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

倒装的目的就是为了 as 引导的非限定性定于从句紧跟其修饰对象。

我觉得如果as引导了从句的话，后面应该用as is seen in the rings。。。不是吗？怎么能缺少动词呢

作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-26 19:41
我觉得上面的说法都有问题。

1、不是独立主格，独立主格需要有另一个独立主语，这里没有。as ____ seen...根本没有另一个主语。

2、不是定语从句，定语从句语法上完全独立;这里 as____seen.....没有完整谓语。


这里根本就是一个 带连词的 as引导的非限定比较状语分句。
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作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 19:46
以下是引用alohabrian在2009-2-26 19:41:00的发言：
我觉得上面的说法都有问题。

1、不是独立主格，独立主格需要有另一个独立主语，这里没有。as ____ seen...根本没有另一个主语。

2、不是定语从句，定语从句语法上完全独立;这里 as____seen.....没有完整谓语。


这里根本就是一个 带连词的 as引导的比较状语从句省略。

请问那比的是什么呢？

作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 20:09

汗了，突然在百度上搜到某博客上写的，不知道是否适用于GMAT，大家看一下

 在as所引导的非限制性定语从句中，如果运用的是被动语态结构，be动词可以省略；但which没有此用法，be动词不可省。例如:She married him，which was unexpected.＝She married him as（was） unexpected.她嫁给了她，这一点大家都没有料到。（作主语，代替前面的句子；用which时was不可省。）

如果如上所说的话，那么就维持原判了，认为as引导的是定语从句

作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-26 20:14
就算是定语从句，我还是有问题。

as是指代整句话，还是rate at which the trees grow?
作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 20:39

On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

 (E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

 (E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

我觉得，如果算定语从句的话，as应该就是指代 trees grow at the rate

意思就是说“太阳黑子周期的迹象有很多种，地球上最确定的迹象就是树木增长的速度，这（树木以某种速度增长trees grow at the rate）可以通过年轮看到，年轮visible in。。。”

这也是我觉得as在这里不是表示“像。。。一样”的意思的原因

作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-26 20:44
令我confusing的是：rate is seen这种表达，合理吗？
作者: tonect    时间: 2009-2-26 20:47
以下是引用alohabrian在2009-2-26 20:44:00的发言：
令我confusing的是：rate is seen这种表达，合理吗？

不啊不啊，你是不是理解错了。我不是说as指代rate，我也认为rate不能被seen。

所以我才认为as指代的是trees grow啊，只不过因为trees grow作为rate的定语从句，所以我才写成了 trees grow at the rate（这件事） is seen in rings。。。

作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-26 20:50
网上真有rate seen这样的结构:

彻底晕：

Corn hybridization rate
        seen to rise to 35%.(Business News)
                    



作者: alohabrian    时间: 2009-2-26 20:53

Peru's 2008 inflation rate
        seen above 6 pct


High ACL Repair Failure Rate
        Seen in Young Adults


PREVIEW-HK unemployment rate
        seen rising to 1-yr high


标题里，大量出现。

作者: fightbear    时间: 2009-2-28 12:44
以下是引用tonect在2009-2-26 19:20:00的发言：

不知道我理解的和你说的一样吗？望指正

as指代前面的Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

独立主格结构里面有个，名词+过去分词 的构成形式，所以就是 as（名词） seen（过去分词） in the rings。。。

as是代词，这个用法我也是在by语法里看到的，“as偶尔作代词，指代简单主句”（白勇语法p10）

ps，为啥不选c，部分因为ets不提倡改变原句语序，如果倒装改成正装，强调就没了

作者: smartsky11    时间: 2009-3-30 00:29
童言的
作者: vivian0331    时间: 2009-5-17 21:36

这道题的定论到底是啥？看了以上的解释，我就彻底晕了。完全搞不懂句子结构。

作者: geminisky    时间: 2009-5-17 23:13
以下是引用nemo11在2008-8-8 9:08:00的发言：

139.      (32262-!-item-!-188;#058&006043)

 

 

On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

 

 

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

C怎么不对了？

A,B的复数动词不对

原文意思是未画线部分有their对应trees，而在C中their前有几个复数名词，指代不明确

D中无谓语动词

作者: rosemary628    时间: 2009-6-11 13:01

详解上面说的on earth更合适修饰sunspot是为什么？怎么理解？多谢！

作者: Liu_leaf    时间: 2009-7-13 17:03

On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

 

(A) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are believed to be the rate that trees grow

(B) On Earth, among the surest indications of sunspot cycles are, it is believed, the rate of tree growth

(C) On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles

(D) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles, believed to be the tree growth rate

(E) Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow

我认为as引导的是状语从句，其实就是as the rate at which trees grow is seen...，但是我不明白E选项中的of sunspot cycles不会引起歧义让人认为修饰earth吗？这样看来C选项就应该更好呀，On Earth, the rate at which trees grow is believed to be among the surest indications of sunspot cycles，as seen in the rings visible的逻辑主语为句子主语没有问题呀。望指教和拍砖！

作者: ccccccccccab    时间: 2009-7-25 00:19
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作者: a9141067s    时间: 2009-7-30 20:04
好像越看越糊涂了
作者: xiaoniuren    时间: 2009-7-30 23:22

ddd

作者: alibaba_2009    时间: 2009-8-9 11:14
up
作者: gracezz    时间: 2009-9-24 22:00
以下是引用geminisky在2009/5/17 23:13:00的发言：

A,B的复数动词不对

原文意思是未画线部分有their对应trees，而在C中their前有几个复数名词，指代不明确

D中无谓语动词

赞

作者: ivyfeng    时间: 2009-10-1 19:46
Manhattan上的解释：as seen是一种modifier，需要紧跟在修饰词的后面，这里修饰的内容是：the rate at which...
就是一个比较特殊的例子吧，个人倾向于理解成和that,which一样不过把be动词省掉了，以前表示比较的时候也有过的： as estimated之类的。之前会认为是像介词+doing类似的，省略主语和主句主语或是紧跟的从句主语一致，看来不是这样的。
作者: zanyingsan    时间: 2009-10-19 01:42
E中的on earth 像是一个插入语一样修饰了前面的indications
作者: yuripanda    时间: 2010-10-29 11:43
韦氏大学词典 as 用法的解释
代词 2 : a fact that <is a foreigner, as is evident from his accent>

这样就很清楚了。
作者: 老褚2    时间: 2012-10-11 05:04
hao
作者: Jianke311    时间: 2012-12-5 13:43
我觉得根据“trunk"，不会造成“their"的指代不清啊，所以C为什么不对呢? E该如何理解呢?最好是翻译一下,我觉得C很好翻译，但是E却翻译不出来。
作者: Saradzy    时间: 2015-6-11 21:18
Ron神的回答：
the placement of 'on earth' is also much better in e than in a.
- e says what it's supposed to say: we're looking at indications that are on earth. (this answer choice implies that better indicators are available elsewhere - presumably closer to the sun.)
- a says that tree growth is believed to be a good indicator by people on earth (--> martians beg to differ).
就是说On earth 在句首有种暗示其他地方有更好的indicator


关于C
Ron表示some things wrong with c:
* the placement of 'on earth' is just as problematic as in choice a (again, the sentence seems to be saying that residents of other planets disagree with us).
* 'as seen in the rings...' is a modifier that must be placed next to the thing that it modifies, which is 'the rate at which trees grow'. the way choice c is currently written, it says that indications of sunspot cycles can be seen directly in the rings - and it also implies that sunspot cycles (instead of trees) have rings!
作者: fghrycn    时间: 2015-7-31 13:50
补充几个例句：as非限定性定语从句， 从《大学英语与语法讲座与测试》摘录
As + be + 过去分词模式, be动词可省略
The material is elastic, as shown in the figure。
如图所示， 这种材料富于弹性。此处as不可用which代替， 作为从句主语
As + be + v-ing(现在分词)
Another reession is setting in, as is already occurring, for instance, with the car industry
be动词不可省略作为从句主语

As is reported， a foreign delegation will visit the city.
不可以说As it is reported



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