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标题: og11-45,在OG中找到了矛盾,还没被问过。 [打印本页]

作者: lecherous    时间: 2008-7-27 10:13
标题: og11-45,在OG中找到了矛盾,还没被问过。

45. According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy
            will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier
            in the year and instead come in for a "soft landing," followed by a gradual increase in business activity.

(A)            that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come

(B)           in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

(C)           in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared, and instead to come

(D)           in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

(E)           that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared earlier this year by many, with it instead coming

关于D为何不能用的解释是: The recession must be followed by that, were fearing is the wrong tense; rather to come does not complete the second part of the sentence idiomatically

而OG11-5中,修饰sales的定语从句前面并没有that

5.        As its sales of computer products have surpassed those of measuring instruments, the company has become increasingly willing to compete for the mass market sales they would in the past have
                    conceded to rivals.

(A)         they would in the past have conceded to rivals

(B)         they would have conceded previously to their rivals

(C)        that in the past would have been conceded previously to rivals

(D)        it previously would have conceded to rivals in the past

(E)         it would in the past have conceded to rivals

请问缘由,谢谢!


作者: lecherous    时间: 2008-7-27 13:39

这个问题真的很困惑。og好几次提到定语从句的that不能省略,但似乎他们自己也常常省略掉。不知道是哪些情况下该怎么做。

请牛牛们帮忙看一下好吗?


作者: ParisTexas    时间: 2008-7-27 13:46

45是同位语从句,that大多数情况不省(与宾语从句相似),况且这里表达的是有主谓成分的意思,更要用从句,不能用不定式。

Sorry, 看成第一个that了。第二个that是定语从句中作宾语,可省,这里不作优先判断依据。OG的解释重点是时态,以及更重要的错误(前面的不定式)。

5是定语从句,that在从句中作宾语,可省。


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作者: lecherous    时间: 2008-7-27 14:09
以下是引用ParisTexas在2008-7-27 13:46:00的发言:

45是同位语从句,that大多数情况不省(与宾语从句相似),况且这里表达的是有主谓成分的意思,更要用从句,不能用不定式。

Sorry, 看成第一个that了。第二个that是定语从句中作宾语,可省,这里不作优先判断依据。OG的解释重点是时态,以及更重要的错误(前面的不定式)。

5是定语从句,that在从句中作宾语,可省。


太感谢了,雪中送炭啊。

可否稍微详细讲一下,that如何做宾语的?

it would in the past have conceded to rivals,我不知道怎么把that加进去。


作者: ParisTexas    时间: 2008-7-27 14:13

it would in the past have conceded that (ie, the mass market sales) to rivals.

代入是以陈述句式考虑的。


作者: lecherous    时间: 2008-7-27 14:18

谢谢,查了一下longman,看来我对于concede这个词不了解的缘故。

再次谢谢


作者: carriemo    时间: 2008-7-27 14:28
以下是引用ParisTexas在2008-7-27 13:46:00的发言:

45是同位语从句,that大多数情况不省(与宾语从句相似),况且这里表达的是有主谓成分的意思,更要用从句,不能用不定式。

Sorry, 看成第一个that了。第二个that是定语从句中作宾语,可省,这里不作优先判断依据。OG的解释重点是时态,以及更重要的错误(前面的不定式)。

5是定语从句,that在从句中作宾语,可省。


为什么楼主明白了?我听了解释还是迷茫。。。

第一个that不管它,的确是同位语从句。但是OG的解释是说the recession must be followed by that啊。。 Paris对于recession后面的that和第五题里的that的解释都是“定语从句中作宾语,可省”。。。混乱了,是不是打错了啊?麻烦再解释一下。

另外谢谢楼主,都没有注意过这个问题。。。


作者: ParisTexas    时间: 2008-7-27 14:29
没事,坚持这样看OG,会有收获的。
作者: carriemo    时间: 2008-7-27 14:42
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作者: ParisTexas    时间: 2008-7-27 16:37
以下是引用carriemo在2008-7-27 14:28:00的发言:

为什么楼主明白了?我听了解释还是迷茫。。。

第一个that不管它,的确是同位语从句。但是OG的解释是说the recession must be followed by that啊。。 Paris对于recession后面的that和第五题里的that的解释都是“定语从句中作宾语,可省”。。。混乱了,是不是打错了啊?麻烦再解释一下。

另外谢谢楼主,都没有注意过这个问题。。。

是这样的, 可能是我没表达清楚,我觉得

confidence that the economy
   will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier
   in the year and instead come
  

to compete for the mass market sales it would in the past have conceded to rivals
    

            

两句的先行词recessionmass market sales在定从里面都是做宾语,that都是可以省的。但OG45里说的不能省,个人理解,只是相对正确(从逻辑关系清晰的角度)。(如果有哪位G友有不同意见,请不吝提出)

OG,要分清主要/绝对错误(must have),和次要/相对错误(good to have)。象45“that不能省只是选项D错误的必要条件,而非充分条件(请仔细理解我说这句话的意思); 而对于5的错误选项,OG半个字没提“that 不能省,可见,错误的选项并非主要因为这一项而错误,依然可以理解为是错误选项之所以错误的必要条件

可能你会感觉矛盾依然存在,但请体会黑体的那段话,因为还有很多问题在OG中也有类似的模糊,比如,代词指代问题,甚至极个别宾语从句先行词省略等等.


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作者: carriemo    时间: 2008-7-27 17:10
明白了 呵呵 多谢
作者: ruru8ruru8    时间: 2008-8-3 14:29

记得OG提过
            
rather
为正式用法,instead则是口语用法,在这题却不能以此作为判断依据,怪了


作者: rhine521    时间: 2008-8-3 14:57

第一个是同位语从句 用THAT引导 不可省略

第二个 sales是rival的宾语 所以rival后面的that可以省

杨鹏难句讲过


作者: initialb    时间: 2008-8-20 11:20

  thank you for your explanation, Paris!

  But i'm still confused by quote "the recession must be followed by that". If OG's diction is that "it is better to follow recession by that", i will have a better understanding for your explanation, because this mistake is not so serious as  other mistakes in this sentence.


作者: leelufei    时间: 2008-8-20 15:17

According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that(1) the economy will avoid the recession that(2) many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a “soft landing,” followed by a gradual increase in business activity.

本句有2个that,大家所谓的同位语从句是指哪个that, that(1) or that(2)?  另外,followed by.... 修饰什么?

我个人觉得,that(1)引导的是同位语从句,that(2)引导的是定语从句。  "followed by ..."修饰 soft landing。是这样么?

谢谢。


作者: Xunan    时间: 2008-9-11 14:28
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作者: winbie    时间: 2008-9-17 12:06
up up

作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-11-10 21:14

关系代词在定从中做宾语不是以省略为先的吗?

这里怎么说不能省...

太疑惑了...


作者: littlesharon    时间: 2008-11-10 22:06

og11-54是省略的

og11-62没有省略

就是说that作宾语从句的宾语时,可以省略也可以不省略。这不应该成为是否为正确选项的依据吧。


作者: zhenxueli    时间: 2009-1-21 13:41

fear是不及物动词,如果要跟宾语,必须加上of,或者for。

但这里in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

fear没有带介词,所以它独立成句,that引导的是同位语从句,如同27楼的mm所解释的。

而同位语从句的that,是不能省略的

以上是LECHEROUS在别的帖子里回答的,我觉得这是比较负责的解释,大家可以看看:)


作者: lpdeng    时间: 2009-12-14 02:10
fear 可以及物也可以不及物亚~

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–noun 1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.  
3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.  
4. reverential awe, esp. toward God.
5. that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.  

–verb (used with object) 6. to regard with fear; be afraid of.
7. to have reverential awe of.
8. Archaic. to experience fear in (oneself).

–verb (used without object) 9. to have fear; be afraid.




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