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作者: 笨笨可可    时间: 2008-7-2 03:57
标题: 大全164--fewer和less的修饰

1.        Because natural gas is composed mostly of methane, a simple hydrocarbon, vehicles powered by natural gas emit less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel.

(A) less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel

(B) fewer of certain pollutants than burning gasoline or diesel fuel do

(C) less of certain pollutants than gasoline or diesel fuel

(D) fewer of certain pollutants than does burning gasoline or diesel fuelE

(E) less of certain pollutants than those burning gasoline or diesel fuel

首先我对于D和E的看法是这样的。。D fewer修饰的是可数名词pullutants,than后面补足了助动词does,但是缺陷就是than后面不对称了。

E的看法是less of我认为修饰不可数名词,than后面对称,但是我认为最好补充出do。。

所以这都有问题,那不存在正确答案。。

open to dicusss.


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-2 07:25
oops...看少了burn-ing =.=||

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作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-2 10:16

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=214602&id=28829&page=1&skin=0&Star=2

try to read this post and see if it helps


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-2 10:49

借mm宝地来作个小总结,抛砖引玉, 大家讨论讨论哈~~~~~~~~

看了看历史帖子

查了查LDOCE

less
1
a) a smaller amount or not as much [≠ more]:
Doctors recommend eating less salt.
People today seem to have less time for each other.
Most of us got £4 an hour, but some received even less.
less of
        
The map covered less of the area than I'd thought.
Flying is less of a risk than driving.


few
1 [no comparative] a small number of things or people即作"少量"解释的时候,没有比较级

a few
        
I have to buy a few things at the supermarket.
Pam called to say she's going to be a few minutes late.
There were a few people sitting at the back of the hall.
There are
                    
a few more

                
things I'd like to discuss.


few of 所以这里的few of,没有fewer of的形式
I've read a few of her books.
I could suggest many different methods, but anyway, here are just a few.
There are only a very few (=not many) exceptions.
3 not many or hardly any people or things [≠ many]:
few of
Very few of the staff come from the local area.
Mr Wingate was full of explanations, but precious few (=hardly any) of them made sense.

综上所述,虽然OG里面明确less修饰不可数,fewer修饰可数,但是其实这道题目考的是less of 的词组, 所以也就没有less/fewer之争了


作者: 笨笨可可    时间: 2008-7-2 11:30

不会啊,这里有than,肯定是比较级的比较。。所以不是单单的考less of和few of


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-2 12:45
原句供參考:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE1D6173AF932A05756C0A96F948260

NYTimes不一定對...因為我最近看到一本語法書,書中指出很多在NYTimes上錯的句子...
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作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-2 14:45
以下是引用笨笨可可在2008-7-2 11:30:00的发言:

不会啊,这里有than,肯定是比较级的比较。。所以不是单单的考less of和few of

但是LDOCE上的 例子就是than比较啊

The map covered less of the area than I'd thought.  ---> 这个例句简直跟大全题目如出一辙, area也是可数名词, 但还是用了less of
Flying is less of a risk than driving.


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作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-2 15:14
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=2493134&id=270063&skin=0

作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-2 15:22

看了,不同意说less是修饰动词

我觉得还是修饰后面的名词, 相当于一个形容词词组做定语


作者: 笨笨可可    时间: 2008-7-3 02:30

还是觉得这个句子不能单独从修饰句子看待。。up


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-3 09:14

Because natural gas is composed mostly of methane, a simple hydrocarbon, vehicles powered by natural gas emit less
        of
        certain
        pollutants than those burning gasoline or diesel...

恩, 感谢AlienX 我在NY上看到原句了

不过既然楼主还是不同意, 那要请大牛来解释下了


作者: alice1880505    时间: 2008-7-3 11:25
以下是引用笨笨可可在2008-7-2 3:57:00的发言:

1.        Because natural gas is composed mostly of methane, a simple hydrocarbon, vehicles powered by natural gas emit less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel.

(A) less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel

(B) fewer of certain pollutants than burning gasoline or diesel fuel do

(C) less of certain pollutants than gasoline or diesel fuel

(D) fewer of certain pollutants than does burning gasoline or diesel fuelE

(E) less of certain pollutants than those burning gasoline or diesel fuel

首先我对于D和E的看法是这样的。。D fewer修饰的是可数名词pullutants,than后面补足了助动词does,但是缺陷就是than后面不对称了。

E的看法是less of我认为修饰不可数名词,than后面对称,但是我认为最好补充出do。。

所以这都有问题,那不存在正确答案。。

open to dicusss.

我觉得dingxiangMM的意思是:如果选项里有fewer certain pollutants than ...那么就是正确选项了。而D选项多了一个of。E的用法是less of +的用法


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-3 13:50
原句不一定對...for example:

    

Compared with the end of 1999, which was still a good time for programmers, December 2003 data
show a 14 percent increase in business and financial occupations, a 6
percent increase in computer and mathematical jobs, and a 2 percent
drop in architecture and engineering jobs. New programming jobs may be
springing up in India, but they aren't canceling out job growth in the
United States.

    

來自ETS/GMAC最喜歡出題的地方: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E7D61338F93AA15752C0A9629C8B63

    

==================================================================

根據Oxford Practical English Usage (3rd edition), "fewer (of)"跟"less (of)"都是grammatically correct.

可是"fewer"跟"less"之後只直接接(代)名詞, 不可以接determiner(e.g. the/a/an/certain/each/his/her/etc)

    

==================================================================

    

個人比較stubborn, 希望NN出來explain一下 =)


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-3 13:52
我不明白為什麼要用fewer而不是less...certain pollutants不是意味着是複數嗎?

作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-3 13:55

楼上的, 你再看看我前面写的?

这里是要考less of来着

否则为啥每个选项都有of?

如果这里有fewer pollutants, 我承认, 也是可选的


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-3 13:57
以下是引用alice1880505在2008-7-3 11:25:00的发言:

我觉得dingxiangMM的意思是:如果选项里有fewer certain pollutants than ...那么就是正确选项了。而D选项多了一个of。E的用法是less of +的用法

握手握手


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-3 14:05
hmm...看到妳的examples...
那麼"fewer of"的usage是?

作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-3 14:09

我写了啊

LDOCE里面明确说没有fewer of 这种形式啊

只有few of

失之毫厘,差之千里


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-3 14:25
Deleted: the usage example from Oxford's Practical Usage 3rd Edition because an example from a British usage book might not be appropiated for studying GMAT.

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作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-3 14:52

不知道说啥好了

只能说 LDOCE是美国人滴, ~~president English

Oxford是英国人滴, ~~Queen's English

呵呵, 唉,可怜的中国人


作者: laipiyu    时间: 2008-7-4 00:11

这题还是应该从句义上来理解.两种说法在语法上都没有错.

fewer of certain pollutants比较的是pollutants的种类更少.种类是可数,所以用few.

less of certain pollutants比较的是这几种pollutants各自的数量更少.修饰数量是用less.

D中的助动词不应该是does.


作者: AlienX    时间: 2008-7-4 00:31
hmm...thanks...I will write down in my note...and see if there is any exception ;-)

作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-4 09:06
以下是引用laipiyu在2008-7-4 0:11:00的发言:

这题还是应该从句义上来理解.两种说法在语法上都没有错.

fewer of certain pollutants比较的是pollutants的种类更少.种类是可数,所以用few.

less of certain pollutants比较的是这几种pollutants各自的数量更少.修饰数量是用less.

D中的助动词不应该是does.

这种说法又是从何而来呢?


作者: laipiyu    时间: 2008-7-4 23:35

词义理解


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-5 12:04

感谢laipiyu 的回答

但是不好意思,我还是不同意你的看法

我看不出来句子里面哪里告诉我们这到底是种类还是数量

再说了, ji即使你说这里是修饰数量, 为啥又用less修饰那, 明明polluants 是可数的

所以我还是坚持认为我的观点

anyway, 非常感谢 laipiyu 和 AlienX 两位GG,不厌其烦的讨论, 我知道你们两位也是二战吧?  so am I.

+U!


作者: maggiecookies    时间: 2008-7-5 12:10

我是这样想的..

  比较结构中比较的对象必须平行对等:

那么, 这里是比较主语, vehicles powered by natural gas  和 those (指代车)buring gasoline or diesel fuel 做对比.., 当然有do 更好..... 没有也基本说得过去...

从句子的结构来说, 只有E是符合.

less of   我查字典, LESS 有名词的用法... 是不是这里可以是名词.. fewer 却没有名词的用法. ....

  


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作者: laipiyu    时间: 2008-7-6 01:37
以下是引用dingxiang在2008-7-5 12:04:00的发言:

感谢laipiyu 的回答

但是不好意思,我还是不同意你的看法

我看不出来句子里面哪里告诉我们这到底是种类还是数量

再说了, ji即使你说这里是修饰数量, 为啥又用less修饰那, 明明polluants 是可数的

所以我还是坚持认为我的观点

anyway, 非常感谢 laipiyu 和 AlienX 两位GG,不厌其烦的讨论, 我知道你们两位也是二战吧?  so am I.

+U!

我的意思是不能单独的用"fewer或者less是否能修饰pollutants"作为排除的依据.

无所谓他是用fewer还是less来修饰,关键是后面对应的助动词.

D中前面用fewer修饰pollutants的话,后面的助动词应该是复数形式,而不能是does,所以错.


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-6 14:10
以下是引用laipiyu在2008-7-6 1:37:00的发言:

我的意思是不能单独的用"fewer或者less是否能修饰pollutants"作为排除的依据.

无所谓他是用fewer还是less来修饰,关键是后面对应的助动词.

D中前面用fewer修饰pollutants的话,后面的助动词应该是复数形式,而不能是does,所以错.

再次感谢你的回复

如果实战中我肯定会用你的方法, 但既然我们现在在讨论题目, 那是不是应该也引申的考虑下这道题目的其它考点呢? 嘻嘻


作者: dingxiang    时间: 2008-7-6 14:11

这贴好像偶太喧宾夺主了

楼主mm表生气啊~~~~~~~~


作者: tonylin0824    时间: 2009-2-11 21:05

我也很困惑


作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-12 01:14
以下是引用笨笨可可在2008-7-2 3:57:00的发言:

1.        Because natural gas is composed mostly of methane, a simple hydrocarbon, vehicles powered by natural gas emit less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel.

(A) less of certain pollutants than the burning of gasoline or diesel fuel

(B) fewer of certain pollutants than burning gasoline or diesel fuel do

(C) less of certain pollutants than gasoline or diesel fuel

(D) fewer of certain pollutants than does burning gasoline or diesel fuelE

(E) less of certain pollutants than those burning gasoline or diesel fuel

首先我对于D和E的看法是这样的。。D fewer修饰的是可数名词pullutants,than后面补足了助动词does,但是缺陷就是than后面不对称了。

E的看法是less of我认为修饰不可数名词,than后面对称,但是我认为最好补充出do。。

所以这都有问题,那不存在正确答案。。

open to dicusss.

这一题体现逻辑至上! Vehicles  emit  less  x  than  those (vehicles do) x, 唯一满足这个逻辑对等关系的是E,更具体一点是:Vehicles powered by NG emit less than those burning GD (do)

我将less of certain pollutants 理解为 less amount of certain pollutants, certain某些(种类),不然就会写成fewer certain pollutants,因为longman dictionary of comtemporay english 就有这个例子:Although low-sulfur coal produces fewer pollutants, it's more expensive to mine.


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作者: Bendog2001    时间: 2009-7-24 14:54
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