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作者: ad264 时间: 2008-6-2 20:59
标题: GWD-8-Q41 中国人很难作对的一题

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.

A. there are less than one-quarter that many

B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many

C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount

E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

Ans: A

今天无意间看了Erin的帖，发现原来分数的量词要用不可数名词。我也已将less than one-quarter这样的词组在NYTimes验证，果然是这样用。

Anyway, what you want to know: yes, you are right that we generally use non-count modifiers (less, amount, much, etc.) when we are referring to percentages and fractions, even when those numbers refer to count nouns.
The concept behind this is that we are focusing on the number itself,
not on the things the number represents. And this case would be no
exception.

附上连结

http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/12444-two-sentence-corrections-sentencecorrection-com.html

以上供叁考

作者: ricee 时间: 2008-6-2 22:55

我看的答案怎么是C呀？如果象LZ得到的那样解释，修饰重点在于%或分数可以用LESS而非可数的FEWER，那么请问D有什么问题呢？

哦，看了连接了，Also, D and E are awkward or wordy, in addition to the some other problems.
So, let's address the last part of the underline--many or amount. In this case, since we are referring to a count noun, drive-ins, we should use a count modifier, many or number.

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作者: leogm 时间: 2008-6-3 08:03

我看到的答案也是C，不过看了Erin的解释，开始赞同A了。

想讨论一下下面这道题，如果答案选B，可以有这样的省略？

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

a. movies—less than those
b. movies—fewer than have been
c. movies, which is less than those
d. movies, a number lower than the people
e. movies, fewer than the ones

作者: ad264 时间: 2008-6-3 09:59
fewer後面省了people的

作者: latuan1982 时间: 2008-6-3 13:13
我觉得C挺好的。A可以硬说的通，还是C顺阿。。。

作者: leogm 时间: 2008-6-3 23:28
C中which指代不明，从逻辑上应该是seven people；而且谓语is肯定不对

作者: vivianclr 时间: 2008-8-28 12:12

c is wrong

search for "than one-quarter of that amount" in NY times.

1.He said he hoped the United States would pledge about $10 billion a year, more than one-quarter of the amount the committee said would be needed from donor ...

2.On the basis of the pending bill Federal taxes will take much less than one-quarter of that amount, and Federal and State taxes combined will take less than ...

3.WASHINGTON, Sept. 21. -- The bank deposits of the people of the United States aggregate $8,300,000,000, an average of $108 per capita. Ten years ago they aggregated $4,232,700,000, or just half the amount of to-day, and twenty years ago they were $2,600,000,000, or a little more than onequarter of those of to-day.

4.He said he hoped the United States would pledge about $10 billion a year, more than one-quarter of the amount the committee said would be needed from donor ...

5.As such it stood in stark contrast to a grievously one-sided House bill that provided $27 billion in incentives for the oil, gas and coal industries and less than one-quarter that amount for efficiency.

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作者: lovebing 时间: 2008-9-13 03:59

以下是引用vivianclr在2008-8-28 12:12:00的发言：

c is wrong

search for "than one-quarter of that amount" in NY times.

根据该例句，这么说D是正确答案了？

google里面几乎没有"less than one-quarter that many"

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作者: vivianclr 时间: 2008-9-13 14:15

以下是引用lovebing在2008-9-13 3:59:00的发言：

根据该例句，这么说D是正确答案了？

google里面几乎没有"less than one-quarter that many"

我選D, 清楚没有歧义．

其他感觉都不太对．

作者: fightbear 时间: 2009-3-6 21:25

He was tired enough to make ten errors in as many (=in ten) pages.

他疲倦得十页中犯了十个错误。

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-7 12:29
這題的管方答案是B
as many的用法在Longman上有:

as many=a number that is equal to another number:
They say the people of Los Angeles speak 12 languages and teach just as many in the schools.

in as many days/weeks/games etc
A great trip! We visited five countries in as many days (=in five days).

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-7 13:29

A it is. Erin explained the points out very clearly.

作者: fighting127 时间: 2009-3-7 13:31

official answer is B

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-7 14:45
unfortunately Erin is wrong because he is not GMAC/ETS ;-)

作者: uustar 时间: 2009-3-7 19:51
可是如果答案是b的话，c哪里不对？

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-8 00:03

以下是引用AlienX在2009-3-7 14:45:00的发言：
unfortunately Erin is wrong because he is not GMAC/ETS ;-)

AlienX, please explain the reason why you take B, or what are wrong with the other choices?

In A, is that many incorrect? Is less than one-quarter correct as Erin says? I think he is right. But the official answer B uses fewer in place of less. I am very puzzled on this point.

In C, is amount can be used here? I think it makes sense to refer to the number some 4000.

About D, I know that many CDers says of must be inserted between one-quarter and the amount.

In E, I think that it has no referrence.

Help me, please, thank you!

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-8 02:22
A: 我是讚同Erin的說法 -- percent or fraction是用less than而不是用fewer than. OG/Prep上有很多的examples. 我看了Garner's Modern American Usage, 書上是傾向less than X percent因為sounds better and less formal而不是它對, 而這個usage是debate了很久...唯一我能想的possible explanation是less跟much是一個pair, 而fewer跟many是一個pair(Garner's Modern American Usage有說). 我看了所有用less than X percent of Y的OG/Prep題, 那個Y都剛好不是much/many除了這題. 有2個possibilities: ETS給錯答案(還沒出現過), 有新的知識點我不會...
C, D, E錯: amount只能用在不可數的名詞/time/money上, e.g. amount of energy (OG10#8)
D: number不用less

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-8 02:24
one more thing to add:
NY Times上的都是好文章, 可是不是perfect, 就這個usage來說, nytimes.com上有less than one quarter, 也有fewer than one quarter的句子
所以不要太rely on google/nytimes.com, they are just your last resorts ;-)

作者: nemo11 时间: 2009-3-8 13:30

这道题还是考倒装吧。there be 的倒装

B there are fewer than one-quarter as many

C there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

B中there are，one-quarter代表1000，那么谓语用复数are

而C中 one-quarter of that amount中心词还是amount，那么谓语应该是单数is，而不是are

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-8 13:42
umm...lcy19812000的主要問題是問為什麼A不對...

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-8 16:16

谢谢AlienX版主一连回复这么多内容。我明白你的意思是less/few than X percent of Y都是可能对的，没有道理，就是事实证明的（通过本题的正确答案、其它OG/Prep题目和google内容得出的结论）。

其次，我在16楼想问amount是不是可以指代一个“数量”，或者说“数字”：some 4000？

关于这个问题，nemo11 MM的提醒醍醐灌顶。如果amount指代一个数字，那么本题的比较对象就是单纯两个数字：some 4000和less than 1/4 of some 4000，而数字作比较句的主语，谓语就应该用单数形式。而事实上本题的谓语用的是复数形式，所以反过来说，我们只能认为这里的比较对象是两个实物some 4000 （drive-ins）和less/fewer than one－quarter drive－ins/as many/that number。所以像Erin所说，本题只能用many或number，不能用amount。

不知道我理解对没有？

作者: nemo11 时间: 2009-3-9 00:38

以下是引用AlienX在2009-3-8 13:42:00的发言：
umm...lcy19812000的主要問題是問為什麼A不對...

Alienx 斑斑

因为drive-ins were 这里用的是复数说明是drive-ins是可数的，用few修饰不能用Little修饰，所以A不对。

这道题的tricky是倒装以及数和数量的区别。

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-9 01:56
umm...nemo, few(er)修可數的noun, little/less修不可數的noun是一個general rule, 有很多exceptions.
for instance, 在OG/Prep中妳只會看見less than X percent of Y, 不管Y是可數還是不可數的noun

而less than X percent of Y的謂說的是單是複是看Y是單是複.
for example, less than 25 percent of the 3000 drive-ins are with trucks.

Erin的argument是one quarter=25 percent, 所以要用less than而不是fewer than.

作者: nemo11 时间: 2009-3-9 12:41

以下是引用AlienX在2009-3-9 1:56:00的发言：
umm...nemo, few(er)修可數的noun, little/less修不可數的noun是一個general rule, 有很多exceptions.
for instance, 在OG/Prep中妳只會看見less than X percent of Y, 不管Y是可數還是不可數的noun

而less than X percent of Y的謂說的是單是複是看Y是單是複.
for example, less than 25 percent of the 3000 drive-ins are with trucks.

Erin的argument是one quarter=25 percent, 所以要用less than而不是fewer than.

A有many说明是表示多少的概念，用fewer修饰，而不是数字的大小，而数字的大小用less。

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-9 20:33

以下是引用nemo11在2009-3-9 12:41:00的发言：

A有many说明是表示多少的概念，用fewer修饰，而不是数字的大小，而数字的大小用less。

Very constructive! Good job, nemo11!

I search the phrase on Google and find that you are probably right!

But I also see one sentence which doesn't agree with the rule: AQI took credit for 10 percent of attacks on Iraqi security forces and Shiite militias (forty-three out of 439 attacks), and less than 4 percent of attacks on U.S.

This sentence is from: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.tilghman.html

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-9 20:49

So now I think Erin is not totally right on the rule about less/fewer than X percent of Y. I would agree with nemo11.

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-9 21:17

My summary:

考点：比较。词组：less/fewer than X percent of Y，less或fewer的选用取决于Y是否可数。本题的比较对象是drive-ins这个实物而非数字，原因在于some 4000这个单独的数字是不可能existed in the United States的，只有some 4000 （drive-ins）才说得通。既然全句比较的是可数名词，相应地，需要用are、fewer和many/number等与可数名词复数形式相一致的表述。A中less和are、many搭配错。C，D和E中amount修饰不可数名词或表示“数量”，这里两种用法均错。另外，D中用the number说明搞错了比较对象。E中的it为单数形式无指代。

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-10 01:08
prep1:81. In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops, and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas.

根據nemo的意思, 数字的大小用less, 可是我沒看出homes是有數字的大小的含意...反而有多少的含意(one percent of homes).

umm...可能我沒看懂nemo的意思.

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-3-10 08:08

umm...我是这么看的：
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
首先是that many的表达unidiomatic.
其次如果后面用less than，前面的there are要用there is.
另外，less than one-quarter中，是两个不同的群体对比，而不是与prep1-81一样是指"在大类中所占比例"，所以还是应该用fewer than.
----
number另外可能与higher等等连用，感觉关键的取舍还是考逻辑，没有固定规则.

作者: fighting127 时间: 2009-3-10 10:58

A. there are less than one-quarter that many
应该还是主要在于that many---unidiomatic的错误后面的看理解了 1/4是修饰drive-ins

本来满倾向aeoluseros斑竹对less和fewer的解释但想了一下我觉得这里B是以there are开头表示的是有... 所以没有体现出比较的意思 open to discuss

但是还是给我们提了一个醒要注意这种修饰语的不同

我这个题目也解释不清楚继续学习大家的讨论

作者: nemo11 时间: 2009-3-10 12:47

以下是引用AlienX在2009-3-10 1:08:00的发言：
prep1:81. In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops, and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas.

根據nemo的意思, 数字的大小用less, 可是我沒看出homes是有數字的大小的含意...反而有多少的含意(one percent of homes).

umm...可能我沒看懂nemo的意思.

AlienX斑斑，可能我没有说清楚。

我说的数字(如4000是个数字)指的是number这个词，正如D里the number作主语，用less是对的。但是表示数量多少（如4000个drive-ins）用fewer来修饰，例如A里其实少了一个of，many修饰前边的那个数，表示有1/4那么多，是表示有多少，也就是说数量的问题，而不是数的问题。看D里the number作主语，就是说这个数怎么怎么样，而不是由多少数量。不知道解释清楚了没有。

你举的这个例子 less than 修饰数字one percent（electricity was in.....homes）同样适用。

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-3-10 12:50

以下是引用fighting127在2009-3-10 10:58:00的发言：

A. there are less than one-quarter that many
应该还是主要在于that many---unidiomatic的错误后面的看理解了 1/4是修饰drive-ins

本来满倾向aeoluseros斑竹对less和fewer的解释但想了一下我觉得这里B是以there are开头表示的是有... 所以没有体现出比较的意思 open to discuss

但是还是给我们提了一个醒要注意这种修饰语的不同

我这个题目也解释不清楚继续学习大家的讨论

umm..怎么说呢，there are是在比较结构之外，与该比较无关的. 如果如你所说，1-81的句子也不是比较了，而只是说明了一个比例.

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2009-3-10 13:01

umm..nemo,我觉得就纯D选项不看未划线部分来说是没有问题的the number is less than one-quarter the amount.one-quarter做为形容词/限定词来修饰the amount，中间并没有缺少of.但是amount的指向就错了:4000 drive-ins是可数的.

First of all, if we compare the moon with the earth, we find that the moon is much smaller. It is about one-quarter the size of the earth.

作者: fighting127 时间: 2009-3-10 14:13

umm...(...)我觉得prep-1-81是没比较

另外再把笔记里的这个题目粘贴来看看能说明问题

In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops, and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was in less than one percent of homes, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas.

而D是 there was less than one percent of homes that had electricity, having lighting that was still ---was应该改为were, 因为one percent of homes是复数名词; having… 修饰对象不清楚。

1.there be + n 句型中, be动词的单复形式由n的单复形式决定

2.单数复数: the percent of +可数名词复数形式, 谓语动词用复数

再顶

作者: soiler 时间: 2009-3-10 15:04

我的理解：

one-quarter that many 中that many用法不对，应为as many,或加of

one-quarter as many 中心词为many，many后省略drive-ins，用fewer

one-quarter of...中心词为one-quarter,用less

作者: ezailshi 时间: 2009-3-10 17:23

这两道题的正解都是B。

作者: lcy19812000 时间: 2009-3-10 20:37

以下是引用soiler在2009-3-10 15:04:00的发言：

我的理解：

one-quarter that many 中that many用法不对，应为as many,或加of

one-quarter as many 中心词为many，many后省略drive-ins，用fewer

one-quarter of...中心词为one-quarter,用less

soiler说的就是nemo11 MM想表达的意思吧，大家看同不同意呢？反正我是彻底晕厥了。

作者: wen217 时间: 2009-3-10 21:56

fewer than one quarter --- Google UK search. 约有 4,580,000 项符合 fewer than one quarter 的查询结果

less than one quarter --- 约有 23,900,000 项符合 less than one quarter 的查询结果

It tells!!! No??

作者: soiler 时间: 2009-3-11 07:57
昨天晚上我看白勇的语法书，上面第10章第9题写到，half/percent/quarter...of+n.形式，其谓语动词单复数看of后n.的单复数，这个和fighting127说的一样，和我印象中及楼主说的不一样

作者: grape262001 时间: 2009-3-22 16:57

我想弱弱的问一下，number可以用less来形容吗？

The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than

答案选A，解释为numbers要用greater来形容。

难道是number和numbers的区别？

作者: AlienX 时间: 2009-3-24 10:42
xdjm們, 我沒有多大的結論.
後來ManhattanGMAT的instructor Ron看到P1-81, 他自己也不能解釋為什是less than one percent of homes而不是fewer than one percent of homes.
他覺得less than one percent of homes在P-81不是考點.
他覺得如果less vs. fewer of X percent of Y變成考點, 看Y來決定用fewer/less.

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作者: 天蝎座1107 时间: 2009-3-26 13:34

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many

A. there are less than one-quarter that many

B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many

C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount

E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

关于这个题偶一直是这么看的 when drive-ins were...,some 4000 drive-ins existed in the United States,but today fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins are there.

drive-ins是可数所以不用less 而且我觉得some 4000 drive-ins与fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins对应的很好 exised与are对应的很好 in the US与there对应的很好这个句子本来就是想要今夕对比我只是在B和C之间徘徊过

作者: 天蝎座1107 时间: 2009-3-26 13:41

以下是引用nemo11在2009-3-9 0:38:00的发言：

Alienx 斑斑

因为drive-ins were 这里用的是复数说明是drive-ins是可数的，用few修饰不能用Little修饰，所以A不对。

这道题的tricky是倒装以及数和数量的区别。

我很同意这个观点也觉得考点就是这个题干专门把some 4000后面的drive-ins和fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins后面的两个drive-ins省略掉(当然，因为重复也是应该省略掉) 就是看考生能不能读清楚主语是drive-ins 所以用fewer而不是less

我觉得大家可能都想的复杂了

作者: alohabrian 时间: 2009-3-26 14:25
我记得，Ron purewal说过，不能说 amount/number is more 或者 less, amount和number只能说 bigger, greater,smaller,lower等等。我觉得是为了避免语义重复。

因为 less more本省就有 amount和number的意思。

我想：也不能说 one quarter of the amount/number,等等。只能写成这样： one quater of the drive-ins或者one quarter of those ，或者直接用 one quater

C里面 than之后的，amount用的也不好，因为原句里把 drive in看成复数，就要要用数量也要说：the number is lower than the number

作者: 天蝎座1107 时间: 2009-3-26 14:31

刚才吃完饭刷牙的时候突然想到到底是less还是fewer，其实还是看修饰的中心词是谁。但是如果跟在动词后面，就算宾语是可数例如OG11中的cost less还有旧prep中的emit less那就必然是用less了因为less可以是副词我觉得具体要用哪个没有规定性一说要在具体语境里面看修饰的中心词是谁

加了percent和不加percent我觉得一个道理还是看具体语境中修饰的中心词是谁

作者: alohabrian 时间: 2009-3-26 14:40
不是的，less和fewer的用法很复杂的。我记得经典SC题的表达， less of pollutants less of a commitment。都是对的。

可不可数关键看作者想表达的东西是可分还是不可分。

但是一句话里，同一个东西不可能前面当成可数，后面当成不可数。

D就是这个毛病

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作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-3-28 14:01

我刚刚总结到这个题目，先说说我的理解（上面各楼的解释我已经看晕了）：

我选C

When drive-ins (主语，可数名词)were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, （插入语，是否可先不优先考虑，先focus在句子主干）but today there are fewer（drive-ins，句子描述的主语） than one-quarter of that amount（of drive-ins???这里有省略？）.

总之，我的理解是句子的主旨是在比较drive-ins 这个可数名词，所以选项缩小到B C。

然后，我刚刚去问了个美国人，我让她凭语感选出第一个她认为正确的选项，她选的C，我又跟她说BBS上也有很多人选B，我问她B的as many是否说得通，她说感觉上也是对的。所以，我当时就说比较晕，她说她会首先选C，看到B也OK。就是这个样子。

open to discuss...

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作者: alohabrian 时间: 2009-3-28 14:05
选B，OA是B

C的that用的不对，amount也用的不对。

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作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-3-28 14:16

回复得好快啊，我刚想说找到了官方答案，

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=3136215&id=351532&page=1&skin=0&Star=2

另外，上网查了一下最基本的语法，amount是修饰不可数名词的。

同意选B

伤心啊，我的初中语法课都还给老师了

作者: alohabrian 时间: 2009-3-28 14:25
gmat是普通老美也做不对的，只能去问老美的大牛牛。。。

另外，就算amout是可以修饰可数。

我的还是感觉是不能说 a quarter of that amout, 就像不能说 a quarter of that number

要说 a quarter of many/much

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作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-3-28 14:39

以下是引用alohabrian在2009-3-28 14:25:00的发言：
gmat是普通老美也做不对的，只能去问老美的大牛牛。。。

另外，就算amout是可以修饰可数。

我的还是感觉是不能说 a quarter of that amout, 就像不能说 a quarter of that number

要说 a quarter of many/much

能举几个例子么？

作者: uustar 时间: 2009-3-28 17:52
问一下，one-quarter 中间有个小横杠，应该是名词吧？和one quarter 有什么区别？

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-3-29 16:00

以下是引用vivian0331在2009-3-28 14:39:00的发言：

能举几个例子么？

GWD-7-Q4:Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

movies—less than those
movies—fewer than have been
movies, which is less than those
movies, a number lower than the people
movies, fewer than the ones

这道题是否跟我们讨论的题目有些像？因为我原来选的fewer than the ones……

作者: JamesYi 时间: 2009-3-29 16:52
Amount是个错误的标志，driving-ins是可数名词，不能用amount。B as many (as)缺少

作者: vivian0331 时间: 2009-3-29 23:00

OG11-4 A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation's clergy, twice as much as 1977.

a) twice as much as 1977

b) twice as many as 1977

c) double what it was in 1977

d) double the figure for 1977

e) a number double that of 1977's

这两道题是否很像？

作者: 34cocorate 时间: 2009-5-24 16:49
vote for B

作者: 路吉儿 时间: 2009-8-4 17:07

作者: alibaba_2009 时间: 2009-8-14 12:40

A. there are less than one-quarter that many

that:在这里是指示代词；many:在这里作名词，意思是许多；that many用法别扭 one-quater；名词，表示数量1/4，one-quarter that many:名词修饰名词，错误；less:对于数量的比较；are:there be 后面接数量中心词谓语用单数

B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many

as many：数量/倍数+as many as+名词，所以后面省略了4,000 drive-ins；中心词是drive-ins，强调的是具体名词的对比

用few

C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

amount:指代前面的4000，one-quarter of that amount中心词表示数量，对比用less

D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount

than后面没有中心词，不知道比较什么；the number是数字，比较用lower

E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

quarter of that amount是数量的比较用less

；it指代对象不存在

作者: jean1280 时间: 2009-8-24 00:36

数学里面不是很多都有the number is less than...吗？

这个是一个国外网站的句子

THE NUMBER OF PRIME NUMBERS LESS THAN 1 LAKH, WHOSE DIGITAL SUM IS 2 [DIGITAL SUM OF A NUMBER IS THE SUM OF==>?

作者: chenchanchan 时间: 2009-10-8 14:23

以下是引用nemo11在2009/3/8 13:30:00的发言：

这道题还是考倒装吧。there be 的倒装

B there are fewer than one-quarter as many

C there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

B中there are，one-quarter代表1000，那么谓语用复数are

而C中 one-quarter of that amount中心词还是amount，那么谓语应该是单数is，而不是are

将的太好了！！！

作者: didaxx 时间: 2010-4-11 00:36
我认为应该同意PREP 给出的答案B , 理由如下：

1、few修饰可数名词 less修饰不可数的内容(这一点在OG12的基本语法知识讲解中明确说到了，并举了例子)

drive-in：A drive-in is a restaurant, cinema, or other commercial place which is specially designed so that customers can use the services provided while staying in their cars.

drive-in是可数名词，因为A、E用less来修饰drive-in，所以可以马上排除A和E;

2、amount是用来修饰不可数名词的(字典中的释义：The amount of something is how much there is, or how much you have, need, or get.)，many是修饰可数名词的，many本身可以做表数量的代词（字典中的内容：Also a pronoun. 例句：We stood up, thinking through the possibilities. There weren't many. ）

所以在这道题中完全不应该使用amount, 所以排除C和D被排除

综上所述，大家应该相信PREP 2中的答案，这道题我也做到了，PREP给出了答案B。这样说来这道题还是有道理的，其他四个选项都是有硬伤的。

作者: 遗失的紫水晶 时间: 2010-4-28 13:36
挺有道理的，按排除法只能选B了，但是我想问一下fewer than。。。as many是个什么用法，这里的as 是怎么用的呢？？？疑惑啊！！！！！请NN们快来解答吧！！！！

作者: liulianf 时间: 2010-5-10 15:37
看晕了·

不过ans里面写的C

B 选项的话，as many 感觉不对吧~ 省略as some 4000 drive-ins?

作者: 糖奔奔 时间: 2010-6-2 18:27

看晕了·

不过ans里面写的C

B 选项的话，as many 感觉不对吧~ 省略as some 4000 drive-ins?

-- by 会员 liulianf (2010/5/10 15:37:26)

我也考古了七八个关于这个题的帖子了。。。完全崩溃了。。不过答案确实是B啊，莫非liulianf童鞋你的prep跟别人的不一样？？

我觉得比较信服的的解释就是nemo11和奥特曼小组的天蝎座同学的
我整理了那几个帖子上比较convince我的解释，看看能不能说服你呢^^
as many
a number that is equal to another number
They say the people of Los Angeles speak 12 languages and teach just as many in the schools.

A great trip! We visited five countries in as many days (=in five days).
以下是引用nemo11在2009/3/8 13:30:00的发言：

这道题还是考倒装吧。there be 的倒装

B there are fewer than one-quarter as many

C there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount

B中there are，one-quarter代表1000，那么谓语用复数are

而C中 one-quarter of that amount中心词还是amount，那么谓语应该是单数is，而不是are

when drive-ins were...,some 4000 drive-ins existed in the United States,but today fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins are there. drive-ins是可数所以不用less

而且我觉得some 4000 drive-ins与fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins对应的很好 exised与are对应的很好 in the US与there对应的很好这个句子本来就是想要今夕对比我只是在B和C之间徘徊过

因为drive-ins were 这里用的是复数说明是drive-ins是可数的，用few修饰不能用Little修饰，所以A不对。

这道题的tricky是倒装以及数和数量的区别。

---nemo11

我很同意这个观点也觉得考点就是这个题干专门把some 4000后面的drive-ins和fewer than one-quarter as many drive-ins后面的两个drive-ins省略掉(当然，因为重复也是应该省略掉) 就是看考生能不能读清楚主语是drive-ins 所以用fewer而不是less

章振邦《新编英语语法》P1452

It's more expensive than it was last time but not as good(as it was last time).

在《英汉多功能词典上查到》：

as many: (此为省略随后的as...)

1、 [adj.] (与前述之数)同数的

例句：They had five quaarrels in as many meetings. 他们见了五次面，吵了五次架。

2、[代] （与前述之数）相同

例句： I have three suits,but I need twice as many

章振邦《新编英语语法》P1452

It's more expensive than it was last time but not as good(as it was last time).

作者: 阳光小捷子 时间: 2010-8-13 17:51

两位牛牛的讨论真是让我好生佩服你们对真理的执着追求啊！我也是个认真的人，所以遇到争议题不喜欢放之聊聊。于是在看了大家的精彩讨论和我网上几番搜查后终于得出以下结论，希望大家多多指教！
GWD-8-Q41:

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000（省略drive-ins，不可能是4000这个数字existed）existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.

A.there are less than one-quarter thatmany（that many表达不对；many后省略drive-ins，所以这里的one-quarter不能单独看成是分数用less，而要连着看：one-quarter that many drive-ins，所以这个分数构成的词组修饰的是可数名词，不能less用来修饰）

B.there are fewer than one-quarter as many（省略as are there in the 1950's；fewer和many都修饰可数名词；but连接比较，前后比较对象要有同类一致性，即比较的是drive-ins数量）

C.there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount（amount修饰不可数名词，不能用来修饰4000 drive-ins）

D.the number is less than one-quarter the amount（比较对象不同类，未划线前句比较的是4000 drive-ins这数量与之而不是数字）

E.it is less than one-quarter of that amount（it指代不明；比较对象不同类，未划线前句比较的是4000 drive-ins这数量与之而不是数字）

注：一般来说：如果比较的是单独的分数，百分比，比例，数字等“值”的大小时，用修饰不可数的amount，less，much等及单数谓语修饰；如果是用这些值做词组形成A of B时，（如50%of trees，1/3of milk等）在比较对象为A of B代表的整个数量时，谓语动词和less/fewer等词取决于名词是否可数及其单复数形式。

Eg：Fewer than half of the students in the class were present yesterday due to the flu.

特例：因为英语中一般的A of B的侧重点在于A，所以如果当句子表达的意思强调的是前面的数字部分A时，尤其在比较数据中，即使后面的名词是可数的复数形式，也要用less而非fewer来修饰，因为fewer的话强调的就是名词部分了。

Eg：prep1:81. In the major cities of industrialized countries at the end of the nineteenth century, important public places such as theaters, restaurants, shops, and banks had installed electric lighting, but electricity was inless than one percent of homes（强调的是比1%还少，而不是1%的家庭数量）, where lighting was still provided mainly by candles or gas.

作者: 超超琪琪格 时间: 2010-8-15 05:44
同意楼上的

作者: 超超琪琪格 时间: 2010-8-15 05:49
但同时你怎么可以辨别到底是强调数量呢，还是一般的AofB修饰呢？我感觉既然用了分数，并且是精确到百分之多少，多多少少都有点强调数量的意思。

作者: 超超琪琪格 时间: 2010-8-15 05:51
我又大意了，你已经强调了“尤其在比较数据中”，ok，明了。

作者: 熊熊加小怪 时间: 2010-10-31 16:33
up....已经被绕晕了。。。

作者: lisney 时间: 2013-3-24 10:23
看了几页讨论，，我想问下，less 不是既可以修饰不可数也可以修饰可数的么。。。。。

作者: peal888 时间: 2015-4-9 11:29
A错误，one quarter + 数量名词amount/number/size可以，但不能够直接加物体名词，that many不表示数量，如果表示数量应该用that number，that many是名词概念，后面省略了名词。
B正确，as many as...第二个as后的内容省略。
C错误，one-quarter of that amount 表示数量，前面应该用less，而且amount表示不可数，而主语drive-ins可数。
D错误，the number 特指前面的number 4,000，用在这里不合适。
E错误，it无指代。one quarter of that amount中的of多余。

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