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作者: paulstars    时间: 2008-5-9 22:42
标题: At present the hollywood restaurant

At present the hollywood restaurant has only standard-height tables. However, many customers come to watch the celebrities who frequent the Hollywood, and they would prefer tall tables with stools because such seating would afford a better view of the celebrities. Moreover, diners seated on stools typically do not stay as long as diners seated at standard-height tables. Therefore, if the Hollywood replaced some of its seating with high tables and stools, its profits would increase.

Question: The argument is vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it gives reason to believe that it is likely that

A) Some celebrities come to the Hollywood to be seen, and so might choose to sit at the tall tables if they were available

B) The price of meals ordered by celebrities dining at the Hollywood compensates for the longer time, if any, they spend lingering over their meals

C) A customer of the Hollywood who would choose to sit at a tall table would be an exception to the generalization about lingering

D) A restaurant's customers who spend less time at their meals typically order less expensive meals than those who remain at their meals longer

E) With enough tall tables to accommodate all of the Hollywood's customers interested in such seating, there would be no view except of other tall tables

此题似乎在C和E之间选择有点难度。选择E的认为C改变了出题人的premise(人们来restaurant是来看明星的,而不是来吃饭逗留的)

我偏向选择C,E选项有点像加强,而不是削弱。

有nn解释一下嘛?谢谢


作者: mcyinhbs    时间: 2009-1-17 18:58

有牛人能解释一下这道题么?是prep的一道题,挺重要的

C选项的确切意思是什么?


作者: mcyinhbs    时间: 2009-1-18 22:32
Up!
作者: cocoamocha    时间: 2009-1-19 00:04

请问这一题答案是什么呀?我觉得选d,选高凳看名人的,逗留时间短,花销少,无法达到原文中的profit increase.

麻烦把c,e翻译一下。


[此贴子已经被作者于2009-1-19 12:28:50编辑过]

作者: mcyinhbs    时间: 2009-1-19 00:29

答案是C

麻烦楼上能不能详细解释一下?多谢!


作者: cocoamocha    时间: 2009-1-19 12:44
不好意思,我上次打字打错了,我选的是d。哪位会做的过来解释一下!!
作者: cocoamocha    时间: 2009-1-19 16:57

NN都去过小年了??

大家过来看看啊!


作者: cocoamocha    时间: 2009-2-1 15:26

这一题该怎么分析啊?NN显身解答一下啊!


作者: flytiti    时间: 2009-2-1 21:48

这个题就好像上海的迪吧,卡座都有最低消费(好像文中说的逗留时间长,消费高),高脚凳没有最低消费(这样的人群消费少,逗留时间短)

所以d就是这个意思,把高消费的人和低消费的人区别对待,而不是一律提供standard-height table这会导致低消费的人也逗留时间长,即低消费对应高脚凳,高消费对应standard-height,profits当然increase

而c的意思大概是喜欢高脚凳的消费者不是target consumer(an exception to the generalization about lingering ),按这个推理,设置一些高脚凳不会引起profits incease

不知道这样理解是否准确


作者: reallingling    时间: 2009-2-2 08:44

IMO, I agree with D.

the conclusion of the sentence is that the Hollywood's profits will increase by replacing some of its seating with high tables and stools. The question is what makes the conclusion vulnerable, which means even replaced some of tables and stools, the profits will not increase.

Only D is profit related.

If you are not confident with the conclusion, you can go back to the reason for the conclusion, one of the driving factors is that diners seated on stools typically do not stay as long as diners seated at standard-height tables.


作者: qingqian    时间: 2010-8-31 21:29
顶啊顶啊。。。
此题到底正确选项是什么意思啊。。。请教大牛~
作者: qingqian    时间: 2010-8-31 21:37
还有,D选项错在哪里啊。。
作者: alicejingli    时间: 2010-12-13 17:15
my idea
计划--增加高脚凳
目的--增加收入
A some直接排除
B zhichi
c 相当于计划达不到目的
d无关
e无关
作者: weihua89    时间: 2010-12-13 17:38
怎么说什么正确答案的都有?!谁能公布一下真正的正确答案?
作者: Alice25    时间: 2011-5-18 11:30
因为not stay as long as是也可能待的时间长,也可能待的时间短。所以d的说法是针对时间长的削弱。e无关W选项。c的削弱依据是原因找错了。
作者: 毛毛怪    时间: 2011-5-25 12:49
目标:增加利润
手段:增加高脚蹬
但是不确定那些观众是否会是可以增加利润的目标客户 所以没有办法确定此手段可以达到增加利润的目的
作者: yangbaozi    时间: 2011-6-17 09:16
这到题我也答错了,过后看了答案才分析出来,可能是这样吧:
原文用一般的情况来推断好莱坞饭店的特例:“diners seated on stools typically do not stay as long as diners seated at standard-height tables.  Therefore, if the Hollywood replaced some of its seating with high tables and stools, its profits would increase.”意思是老板以为顾客坐的时间短,换台率高,他可以多挣几次钱,利润就高了。但C选项说了,来这家饭店想要做高脚凳的人和一般情况是不同的“ would be an exception to the generalization about lingering”。也就是直接削弱了原文的前提,那么原文的结论提高利润当然也就被削弱了。这是很典型的GMAC老头意识,当原文是用了类比,答案就是隔断联系,说他们有不同点,不能类比。
而D,看似削弱,其实不直接,消费只是利润的一方面,换台率是另一个要素,正常情况下,即使高脚凳消费低,很快吃完换一拨也有可能多赚钱,但这些顾客是来看明星的,高脚凳坐上去就更不走了,这才是重点。
作者: crystalbain    时间: 2011-6-17 11:35
这到题我也答错了,过后看了答案才分析出来,可能是这样吧:
原文用一般的情况来推断好莱坞饭店的特例:“diners seated on stools typically do not stay as long as diners seated at standard-height tables.  Therefore, if the Hollywood replaced some of its seating with high tables and stools, its profits would increase.”意思是老板以为顾客坐的时间短,换台率高,他可以多挣几次钱,利润就高了。但C选项说了,来这家饭店想要做高脚凳的人和一般情况是不同的“ would be an exception to the generalization about lingering”。也就是直接削弱了原文的前提,那么原文的结论提高利润当然也就被削弱了。这是很典型的GMAC老头意识,当原文是用了类比,答案就是隔断联系,说他们有不同点,不能类比。
而D,看似削弱,其实不直接,消费只是利润的一方面,换台率是另一个要素,正常情况下,即使高脚凳消费低,很快吃完换一拨也有可能多赚钱,但这些顾客是来看明星的,高脚凳坐上去就更不走了,这才是重点。
-- by 会员 yangbaozi (2011/6/17 9:16:12)








同意楼上的,原题的论点是--Hollywood的餐厅要增加一些高脚凳。理由:1.高脚凳给那些来看明星的顾客以更好的视角 2.坐高脚凳的顾客不会待得像坐标准桌的顾客时间那么长。 (第一个原因--有效的吸引来看明星的顾客---》增加收入,第二个原因--停留时间短--》反台率高--》增加收入)

D选项说,停留时间短的客户平均消费低--但其实这个并不是原文的argument举出来的原因,原文只是说停留时间短,也就是说原文是以时间短带来的结果--返台率高来支持自己的结论的,并没有提及他们平均消费问题。是否平均消费低就抵消了反台率高的效应?也许会,也许不会,这个选项也没有明确的指出一定会,题目也根本没以这个为自己的论点,所以这个驳斥不太有力。

C选项--直接就驳斥了原因2--原因二说做高脚凳的人一般都不会坐多久---c选项就说--来好莱坞坐高脚凳的跟其他地方坐高脚凳的顾客不一样,言外之意他们一般来说不一定坐很短时间,因此之间就砍断了原argument举出原因二来支持自己结论的逻辑链条。

另外,说回D,想跟大家说说一个我自己体会出的规律,也适用于这道题吧,就是GMAC出题给全球的人,如果一个选项是正确答案,他一定要让所有人殊途同归,不管怎么开始思考的,最后的逻辑链,一定是正确选项那个才扣得最紧。

如果承认D选项也确实有了削弱的作用,那只能说跟C比,没有那么直接,或者说,D选项里没有更明确的指示,说这个就是答案。坐高脚凳的人消费少,少多少?是不是相对于普通桌来说很少很少(以至于返台高也没用)?没有给出明确的方向。(说到明确的暗示,好多题目的正确选项直接对应原题argument里面提到的数量关系,更加明确)

很好说明我的意思的是这道OG12的14题:

In Washington County, attendance at the movies is just large enough for the cinema operators to make modest profits. The size of the county’s population is stable and is not expected to increase much. Yet there are investors ready to double the number of movie screens in the county within five years, and they are predicting solid profits both for themselves and for the established cinema operators.

Which of the following, if true about Washington County, most helps to provide a justification for the investors’
prediction?

(A) Over the next ten years, people in their teenage years, the prime moviegoing age, will be a rapidly growing proportion of the county’s population.
(B) As distinct from the existing cinemas, most of the cinemas being planned would be located in downtown areas, in hopes of stimulating an economic revitalization of those areas.
(C) Spending on video purchases, as well as spending on video rentals, has been increasing modestly each year for the past ten years.
(D) The average number of screens per cinema is lower among existing cinemas than it is among cinemas still in the planning stages.
(E) The sale of snacks and drinks in cinemas accounts for a steadily growing share of most cinema operators’ profits.

这道题里的C 和 E 其实都有起到削弱的作用(也就是听了这个选项之后对结论的相信度降低了)但是,A选项用了rapidly growing C选项是increasing modestly, E选项是steadily growing share,我觉得出题人在用形容词来做一个导向,告诉你,我想让你选的是A,而不是C或E。

因为形容词的程度增加了一个因素的确定性,C和E都不能很好的帮助判断,是否新开的电影院跟现有的都能盈利,也许真的可以影响到大势,也许还是不行,因为这俩因素都比较温和,而A作为一个猛军,变成了一个很强的,更加确定的影响因子。
作者: cxp73    时间: 2011-7-14 18:18
标题: understand the question is the key


please notice that ETS raised the question as "The argument is vulnerable to criticism on thegrounds that it gives reason tobelieve that it is likely that"
so we have to attack the “reasons” listed in theargument, but not to search for a new assumption to weaken the argument. In such case, answer C is the only choice, as it weaken one of the reasons in the argument: "diners seated on stools typically do not stay aslong as diners seated at standard-height tables"

Hope this help.




作者: 情未浓    时间: 2011-11-30 10:30
analyze the argument:
Tall stools provide (1)better view—to attract customers.(2)that dinerstypically do not stay long
Conclusion: replace with high tables and stools will increase profits.

we need to undermine the argument through the premises (1) & (2).

choice C says that a customer who choose tall table would be "an exception to the generalization", pointing out the difference between two groups of customers who are subjects in the analogy.

choice D says nothing about (1) & (2).
choice E talks about a more extreme situation than the plan given in the prompt. the plan is replacing some of its seating with high tables, not "enough" in choice E.
作者: MiaZhang    时间: 2012-8-31 16:52
这道题我也是做错了的。仔细分析后,看完前面的讲解,我更同意18楼的想法

主要是要看懂题目问的是什么: The argument is vulnerable to criticism on thegrounds that it gives reason tobelieve that it is likely that
也就是说,题目让考生指出这篇argument推理中的“问题”,而不是选择一个选项直接削弱它

C选项很好的指出了这个问题,满足要求。这里的an exception to the generalization我认为,应该是顾客来光顾的目的不一样,因为整篇文章是建立在顾客来餐厅时为了看celebrities的前提上,C直接指出这个前提

如果题目改成这样:The argument is vulnerable to criticism because
那就应该是选D

另外,我觉得,文章中说坐高脚凳的顾客呆的时间会比较短,虽然这个中间会有gap,不过文章的目的还是为了给出 an evidence to support that the profits will increase,而不只是单纯描述一个普遍现象
因为顾客逗留时间越短,客流量会越大

个人意见,欢迎拍砖~
作者: alicezyk    时间: 2012-10-7 19:40
支持19楼。好贴。好解释。
作者: windconniewj    时间: 2013-8-12 00:06
paulstars 发表于 2008-5-9 22:42
At present the hollywood restaurant has only standard-height tables. However, many customers come to ...

我也选D,求高人解答
作者: only7dance    时间: 2013-8-12 01:19
心里想的应该是是选c。
不过看了后面的回复之后觉得思路更加清晰了一些。
比较同意19楼的看法,这个题目的问题问法也是一个重要的切入点。
作者: patricialiu    时间: 2014-8-17 13:44
cxp73 发表于 2011-7-14 18:18
please notice that ETS raised the question as "The argument is vulnerable to criticism on thegrounds ...

有道理!
作者: binglunwanxzy    时间: 2014-10-10 11:10
情未浓 发表于 2011-11-30 10:30
analyze the argument:Tall stools provide (1)better view—to attract customers.(2)that dinerstypicall ...

correct!!!!
作者: Hendy    时间: 2014-12-24 08:16
"The main difference between flaw and weakening questions is in the types of answers that we see. For flaw, the answers are general statements about the logic of the argument, one of which accurately characterizes the problem; for weakening, the answers are true facts about the world, one of which makes us doubt that the conclusion is true"
作者: elaineyoung    时间: 2015-7-29 20:08
19楼解释好赞
作者: 多肉凤梨    时间: 2016-7-4 16:39
yangbaozi 发表于 2011-6-17 09:16
这到题我也答错了,过后看了答案才分析出来,可能是这样吧:原文用一般的情况来推断好莱坞饭店的特例:“di ...

同意!               
作者: 依凡达    时间: 2016-9-26 15:56
我之前选了D,现在想想D的问题在于profit
profit=sales-costs,贵的东西成本不一定就低
所以利润的多少跟东西贵或者便宜没有本质联系
发现gmat经常考这种基本概念,percentage的基数啊,profit啊,overall的什么东西啊,以后看到就先把式子一写吧,顺带提醒自己




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