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作者: uptowngirl    时间: 2008-2-20 18:11
标题: 谁能比较一下duke vs. U of Virginia

拿到这两个学校的offer,

除了告诉我要看自己适合以外,

谁能比较一下duke vs. U of Virginia? 谢谢。


作者: ranning    时间: 2008-2-20 18:17
BW
作者: iammad    时间: 2008-2-20 20:00

这两个学校在各方面都相当接近,去哪一个都差不多的说。

我所知道的几个小区别:

1)Duke这个University的整体reputation要高于UV (但仅就商学院而言基本相当)

2)UV所在的这个小镇据说比Duke所在的小镇居住环境更好

3) Darden基本全是Case-method,其学习强度要比Fuqua大(据说是最辛苦的几所b-school之一);如果你喜欢Case method,那就去Darden

4)听说Darden的教授教书非常投入,教得很好

感觉这两个学校实在是很像,学生都很nice,facility都很新很先进,job placement也都差不多。你不妨找几个目前在Fuqua和Darden读书的中国学生聊一聊,或者有可能的话,去学校实地考察一下,再做决定。


作者: ppeema    时间: 2008-2-20 21:05
以下是引用uptowngirl在2008-2-20 18:11:00的发言:

拿到这两个学校的offer,

除了告诉我要看自己适合以外,

谁能比较一下duke vs. U of Virginia? 谢谢。

DUKE在中国的名声比DARDEN稍微响一点


作者: racewalking    时间: 2008-2-21 07:43

呵呵,当然来DUKE了


作者: 李大衛    时间: 2008-2-21 09:15

Dardan is top 10 B-school in the U.S. and is one of the most important core schools in management consulting and investment banking industries.

it's highly regarded in top consulting firms like McKinsey and investment banking like Goldman Sach, Morgan Stanley and others in Wall Street.

Darden's curriculum is also more committed in MBA program design, more sophisticated and well-rounded in general management, leadership, marketing communication, and finance management.

Entrepreneurship is a solid new highlight with deep commitment.

Strongly well-connected across multidisplinary management strategy and tactics.

Emphasize on quantitative analysis and consulting tools.

Case study is one particular highlight, but it depends on personal taste.

http://www.darden.edu/uploadedFiles/Programs/MBA/curriculumGuide.pdf

http://www.darden.edu/html/standard.aspx?menu_id=22&styleid=4&id=540

you can see the commitment when faculty explain the details of program design in 2nd-yr.

Duke is strong national school, generally ranked around 20. Emphasize on teamwork.

Good general management but a bit less sophisticated than Darden.

Particularly strong in bio-tech and medical industry.

Some people believe Fuqua is a great marketing school since lots of health sector giants have strong preference for Fuqua graduates.

http://ee.fuqua.duke.edu/courses/


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作者: kidmann    时间: 2008-2-21 12:27
I think Duke's OVERALL reputation is much higher than UVA.

When my cousin applied to undergrad, he considered Duke as his "reach", but UVA as a "safety"

作者: uptowngirl    时间: 2008-2-21 16:04

谢谢各位的回复。还有个问题:

UVA是去年给的defer offer, 所以我今年要去;

DUKE是今年给的defer offer,所以我要明年才能去。

到今年入学,我才一年半的工作经验。

大家觉得,综合考虑,我是应该今年去UVA呢,还是明年去DUKE? 一年和两年的工作经验有什么大的差别吗? What worries me a lot is that I might have difficulties finding jobs after graduation... Will my AICPA certificate (not a CPA license) help in any way? What will my career prospects be like in two years' time?


作者: yorkgf    时间: 2008-2-21 16:54
如果是finance,去duke吧
另外,楼主好强啊,半年工作经验能拿到uv的offer
口水哗哗的~~~~~~~~

作者: withmoon    时间: 2008-2-21 23:11

我很想知道楼主的背景啊


作者: northeuro    时间: 2008-2-21 23:31
以下是引用uptowngirl在2008-2-21 16:04:00的发言:

谢谢各位的回复。还有个问题:

UVA是去年给的defer offer, 所以我今年要去;

DUKE是今年给的defer offer,所以我要明年才能去。

到今年入学,我才一年半的工作经验。

大家觉得,综合考虑,我是应该今年去UVA呢,还是明年去DUKE? 一年和两年的工作经验有什么大的差别吗? What worries me a lot is that I might have difficulties finding jobs after graduation... Will my AICPA certificate (not a CPA license) help in any way? What will my career prospects be like in two years' time?

First, Cong on your offers from both excellent schools.  As current school of Duke, I have no hands-on clue for UVA program although I also got offer from UVA when I applied.  Just provide 2 cents of general thoughts about MBA education.

Without much working experience, you would surely suffer from highly case-oriented method at UVA.  I would argue that 1 yr and 2 yr w/e do have difference, but in my opinion, you are still too young to receive MBA education.  Without enough working experiences, your understanding to industry, to leadership and to business might not as sharp as your peer classmates, so which might affect your job haunting.  But if you want to do finance, there might be a little bit differences.

Actually we couple of current students at Duke plans to hold a informal welcome session for incoming students around middle March in Shanghai (after R2 result released). So if you can join us, you might find it helpful.

Best,


作者: david811    时间: 2008-2-21 23:46
Hope I can join the incoming students session to meet you guys

作者: 李大衛    时间: 2008-2-22 03:34
以下是引用kidmann在2008-2-21 12:27:00的发言:
I think Duke's OVERALL reputation is much higher than UVA.

When my cousin applied to undergrad, he considered Duke as his "reach", but UVA as a "safety"

Undergrad is totally different planet. Here we're discussing MBA. It doesn't matter about overall reputation, but the recruitment performance matters.

See what happened on BW forum

http://forums.businessweek.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=74404.33&nav=messages&webtag=bw-bschools


作者: 李大衛    时间: 2008-2-22 03:36
以下是引用yorkgf在2008-2-21 16:54:00的发言:
如果是finance,去duke吧
另外,楼主好强啊,半年工作经验能拿到uv的offer
口水哗哗的~~~~~~~~

You can see the comparison of both finance courses. Darden is simply one-level more sophisticated and detailed.

Fuqua

Darden

Corporate FinanceCorporate Financing
InvestmentInvestment Strategy and Arbitrage
Entrepreneurial FinanceEntrepreneurial Finance & Private Equity
Advance Corporate FinanceFixed Income Instruments
International Corporate FinanceDerivative Securities: Options & Futures
Corporate RestructuringManaging Turnarounds and Workouts
Emerging MarketsCapital Market Flows & Institutions
Venture Capital & Private EquitySmall-Enterprise Finance
Raising Capital: Financial Instruments, Institutions & StrategyStrategic Mgt of Financial Srv Org
Corporate Financial Policies
Mergers and Acquisitions

作者: BD09    时间: 2008-2-22 13:10
Dear Sir,
You lost all your credit as an "mba admissions adviser" by making a strong claim such as "Darden is simply one-level more sophisticated and detailed." on finance simply based on the names of courses. 
I believe anybody having reasonable knowledge on US MBA programs would generally agree Fuqua and Darden are both great schools and enjoy similar level of great respects among students and recruiters.  I had to laugh when you declared that Darden is a top 10 while Duke is around 20 in another post.  Good luck with your career as a professional mba admissions adviser.
I am sure, sir, as a graduate from T'bird, the No.1 international business school, you never gave Darden or Fuqua a thought when you applied B' school.
a member of Fuqua class 09
以下是引用李大衛在2008-2-22 3:36:00的发言:

You can see the comparison of both finance courses. Darden is simply one-level more sophisticated and detailed.

Fuqua

Darden

Corporate FinanceCorporate Financing
InvestmentInvestment Strategy and Arbitrage
Entrepreneurial FinanceEntrepreneurial Finance & Private Equity
Advance Corporate FinanceFixed Income Instruments
International Corporate FinanceDerivative Securities: Options & Futures
Corporate RestructuringManaging Turnarounds and Workouts
Emerging MarketsCapital Market Flows & Institutions
Venture Capital & Private EquitySmall-Enterprise Finance
Raising Capital: Financial Instruments, Institutions & StrategyStrategic Mgt of Financial Srv Org
Corporate Financial Policies
Mergers and Acquisitions


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作者: BD09    时间: 2008-2-22 14:16
以下是引用uptowngirl在2008-2-20 18:11:00的发言:

拿到这两个学校的offer,

除了告诉我要看自己适合以外,

谁能比较一下duke vs. U of Virginia? 谢谢。

As suggested by northeuro, try to talk to current/former students from both schools.  Also a school visit would help a lot if that's possible.  Feel free to drop me a message.

a member of Fuqua class 09


作者: uptownmusic    时间: 2008-2-22 14:28
UVA是个不错的公立学校,Darden也是不错的school,但是Duke名声较好,中国学生的placement会好一些,今年的暑期实习结果便是证明。
作者: majiajiia    时间: 2008-2-22 22:49

lz,

please share your background


作者: nautic    时间: 2008-2-22 23:22
以下是引用李大衛在2008-2-21 9:15:00的发言:

Dardan is top 10 B-school in the U.S. and is one of the most important core schools in management consulting and investment banking industries.

it's highly regarded in top consulting firms like McKinsey and investment banking like Goldman Sach, Morgan Stanley and others in Wall Street.

Darden's curriculum is also more committed in MBA program design, more sophisticated and well-rounded in general management, leadership, marketing communication, and finance management.

Entrepreneurship is a solid new highlight with deep commitment.

Strongly well-connected across multidisplinary management strategy and tactics.

Emphasize on quantitative analysis and consulting tools.

Case study is one particular highlight, but it depends on personal taste.

http://www.darden.edu/uploadedFiles/Programs/MBA/curriculumGuide.pdf

http://www.darden.edu/html/standard.aspx?menu_id=22&styleid=4&id=540

you can see the commitment when faculty explain the details of program design in 2nd-yr.

Duke is strong national school, generally ranked around 20. Emphasize on teamwork.

Good general management but a bit less sophisticated than Darden.

Particularly strong in bio-tech and medical industry.

Some people believe Fuqua is a great marketing school since lots of health sector giants have strong preference for Fuqua graduates.

http://ee.fuqua.duke.edu/courses/


小弟不才,您老说Darden是top10学校。但是为啥我查遍近5年的USNews和BusinessWeek Top10排名都没看到Darden. 您老说Duke "general ranked around 20",我也查了排名,从来没看到Duke排到过20。不知道你老用的啥独门排名,独乐乐不如与众乐乐。

此外,您列出一对课程名字比较两个学校金融实力深度的分析方法很有新意也很有深度。

祝愿你的MBA职业咨询业务越来越红火,让更多迷茫中的MBA获得你的指导。


作者: Zoolantz    时间: 2008-3-27 10:36
我觉得问题的关键不在于选择哪所学院,因为两家真的是各有千秋,难分高低。关键的问题是LZ应不应该以一年半的工作经验而去读MBA。总的感觉,一年半太短,两年半都不多。当然,由于不了解LZ的背景,既然两所学院都给了offer就证明LZ还是很有潜力的。个人建议LZ再工作一年,多积累些经验和阅历,这样明年去Duke的时候不论在挑选方向还是在课堂参与方面都会更成功些。

“心急吃不到热豆腐”,我中学时候就发誓要读MBA,这都工作5年了才认为自己磨炼的差不多了,准备年底报09年的。LZ还这么年轻,再忍忍,今年还能再申请一下HBS,Wharton什么的,也许还就成了呢,不行明年去Fuqua,一样可以成为出色的人才。

作者: fisherrui    时间: 2008-3-28 10:45
I think the comparision between duke and darden should be placed on career management after the mba program.  If you plan to come back to China right away to work in a general management role then Duke should be a better choice because Duke do have a better overal international recognition.  But if you plan to go into Banking then Darden is clearly the better way to go.  Darden's wallstreet and hong kong banking presence is much deeper than Duke's.  good luck
作者: 李施德林    时间: 2008-3-28 13:29
以下是引用fisherrui在2008-3-28 10:45:00的发言:
I think the comparision between duke and darden should be placed on career management after the mba program.  If you plan to come back to China right away to work in a general management role then Duke should be a better choice because Duke do have a better overal international recognition.  But if you plan to go into Banking then Darden is clearly the better way to go.  Darden's wallstreet and hong kong banking presence is much deeper than Duke's.  good luck

Could you present some statistics about Darden's good presence in Wallstreet and Hongkong?

Data speak louder than simple conclusion. Thank you!


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作者: fisherrui    时间: 2008-3-28 15:12

I concluded my findings from my work experience and personal contacts.  rior to application to mba I was doing m&a work for a major player in the healthcare industry (medical devices and lifesciences).  I worked closely with pretty much all of the bulge brackets on restructurings and acquisitions of target companies.  Also both of my managers were MDs from JP Morgan and CSFB.  Just from my interactions with bankers alone I can conclude that Darden do have slight edge over Duke grads given a stable economic enviornment. 

Now lets take a quick look at full time employment data for 2006-2007 for Duke and Darden.  Duke grads accepting full time positions in financial services (i-banking, asset mgt, and others) total to be 23% versus Darden's 36%.  This data might be skewed since that more students go to Duke to pursue other functions and more students go to Darden for banking. 

Let me also point out that my decision to attend darden this fall by no means put me at a biased position. 

check out the employment data:

http://fuqua.duke.edu/career/recruit/documents/2006-07employment-report.pdf

http://www.darden.edu/uploadedFiles/Navigate_Darden/Academics/Career_Development/0607%20Employment.pdf


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