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作者: t980402    时间: 2003-12-15 04:22
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Anybody can explain why A is wrong?

The western world'd love affair with chocolate is well-documented; few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more.

Key is (D) few people have been known to taste it  

why original A is wrong. I think the action of taste is happened before known, so a past perfect is required.

??

Please
作者: 深海的小美人鱼    时间: 2003-12-15 08:17
答案应该是A
作者: dansy    时间: 2004-2-25 13:52
请问这题答案究竟是A还是D? 大全答案好像是D啊?
作者: LES    时间: 2004-6-4 18:09

UP

到底是A还是D?谢谢!


作者: 蓝色泡泡    时间: 2004-6-4 18:38

是D

have been known to have tasted 好象很多余啊

know to do sth ,这里要表达的就是:很少有人被得知是第一次吃了没有要更多的


作者: LES    时间: 2004-6-4 19:21

谢谢蓝色泡泡,但是偶觉得这里似乎应该用完成式更好,因为完成式强调了不定式的动作发生在主句动作之前。看下面摘自语法大全:

1) 现在时:一般现在时表示的动词,有时与谓语动词表示的动作同时发生,有时发生在谓语动词的动作之后。
  He seems to know this.
  I hope to see you again. = I hope that I'll see you again. 我希望再见到你。

2) 完成时:表示的动作发生在谓语动词表示的动作之前。
 I'm sorry to have given you so much trouble.
 He seems to have caught a cold.


作者: 蓝色泡泡    时间: 2004-6-4 19:51

完成时:表示的动作发生在谓语动词表示的动作之前。

agree!的确从时态上看是先有吃不吃,再有知不知的

但这里我认为原句只是想传达一个客观存在的事实,用在:后作为一个证据支持前半句

而不是:很少有人被得知已经在第一次吃了却没再要的,象这样的"已经"好象不是原句想要表达的,也没有要在时点上比较,体现已经完成的含义


作者: xx2004    时间: 2004-7-1 06:12

I agree.


作者: 麻集爱    时间: 2004-8-18 15:28
顶一把. 我也觉得是a的. 请更多高人指点
作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-18 15:54

这道题是D;

few people have been known to taste it  for the first time without requesting more.

看这句话的表达few people要表达的意思是一个否定的意思,实际上没有人taste...这里用不定式强调动作还没有发生,而不能用现在完成时去强调动作已经完成。


作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-7 14:46

1.         The fear of rabies is well founded; few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms.

(A) few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms

(B) few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(C) there are few known people who have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(D) after the clinical symptoms appear, there are few known people who have recovered from the diseaseB

(E) recovery from the disease is known for only a few people after the clinical symptoms appear

这个答案可是B哦,怎么解释?????


作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-7 14:48

黑体部分划错了      

The fear of rabies is well founded; few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms.

(A) few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms

(B) few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(C) there are few known people who have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(D) after the clinical symptoms appear, there are few known people who have recovered from the diseaseB

(E) recovery from the disease is known for only a few people after the clinical symptoms appear


作者: xinfaxian    时间: 2005-7-11 01:10
顶!a 为什么错?不明白。
作者: xinfaxian    时间: 2005-7-11 11:14
这题也没有人帮偶看啊?
作者: sammaijgd    时间: 2005-8-7 18:07

作者: 易儿    时间: 2005-8-11 12:04

接着顶!!!


我觉得应该是have tasted,不管是理智地分析还是语感,nn们来分析一下吧~~~


作者: howardwang    时间: 2005-8-11 14:10

不定式的完成式用在不定式的动作发生在谓语动作之前。


而选项A中的have been known ,是个从过去到现在一直持续的动作,相对于have been known to taste it可能是过去、现在或将来发生的动作。


如果如此,是否如A中的few people have been known to have tasted it两个完成时态连用都会有问题呢?


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-3 16:08
以下是引用ethyl在2005-5-7 14:48:00的发言:

黑体部分划错了      

The fear of rabies is well founded; few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms.

(A) few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms

(B) few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(C) there are few known people who have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(D) after the clinical symptoms appear, there are few known people who have recovered from the diseaseB

(E) recovery from the disease is known for only a few people after the clinical symptoms appear


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-12 16:47

now i think it is  D-- have been known to taste it


but i don't know how to explain it...


just feel 'have been known to have tasted it" is wordy and awkward..


the case above is not the same as the question


"few people are known to have recovered xXXX".........


gosh i am already out of my mind...need to take a break ..also need NN to help


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-12 16:57

19. Balzac drank more than fifty cups of coffee a day and died of caffeine poisoning; furthermore, caffeine did not seem to bother Samuel Johnson, the great writer and lexicographer, who was reported to have drunk twenty-five cups of tea at one sitting.
(A) furthermore, caffeine did not seem to bother
(B) however, caffeine did not seem to bother
(C) however, caffeine did not seem to have bothered
(D) furthermore, caffeine did not seem to have bothered
(E) in addition, caffeine did not seem to bother
ANSWER: B
为什么C不对?从逻辑上理解to have bothered应该是发生在seem(ed)之前,用不定式的完成形式不是很好吗?
难道是因为bothered所表达的过去的含义已经被did (not) seem已经表达了?
请各路高手指教,不胜感谢!


同問http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&id=16472 gemj 的問題


作者: tinabeauty1984    时间: 2006-3-8 14:04
再顶,NN们再来讨论一下阿~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
作者: xjlv128    时间: 2006-3-16 18:19
我也顶!14题我看得晕晕乎乎的!
作者: hawkinsxie    时间: 2006-5-1 15:48

few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more


1) As mentioned above, "few people" expresses a negative meaning which should not be considered sth. already happened.


2) taste is a one-time action, and it is restricted by the temporal adverbial modifier - for the first time. Besides, you can hardly imagine a scene that someone, to whom the sentence dedicatedly refers, has done the action - "taste".


3) awkward, have been known to have tasted, ambiguously instated two perfect tenses, which idea does the author want to transfer to the reader?


作者: moomoo    时间: 2006-6-20 07:21
以下是引用hawkinsxie在2006-5-1 15:48:00的发言:

few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time without requesting more

1) As mentioned above, "few people" expresses a negative meaning which should not be considered sth. already happened.

2) taste is a one-time action, and it is restricted by the temporal adverbial modifier - for the first time. Besides, you can hardly imagine a scene that someone, to whom the sentence dedicatedly refers, has done the action - "taste".

3) awkward, have been known to have tasted, ambiguously instated two perfect tenses, which idea does the author want to transfer to the reader?

1) and 2) also can apply to "few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared". so 3) alone is not gonna help.

Can someone find the original OG explanation?


作者: miss216    时间: 2006-6-24 10:57

up,eager for a compelling explaination.

why d can not be the answer?

 


作者: xiaowan    时间: 2006-8-25 20:01
顶!!等待nn
作者: 盈儿    时间: 2006-9-3 12:18
以下是引用weichenli在2005-10-12 16:47:00的发言:

now i think it is  D-- have been known to taste it

but i don't know how to explain it...

just feel 'have been known to have tasted it" is wordy and awkward..

the case above is not the same as the question

"few people are known to have recovered xXXX".........

gosh i am already out of my mind...need to take a break ..also need NN to help

MM你其实已经发现了问题所在了


作者: 1284901    时间: 2006-9-24 13:04

我想是不是用完成时由逻辑意思和文章中的时间点决定:

14题, 很少有人在第一次吃巧克力时不要更多。 第一次吃的时候是一个时间点所以不用完称时。

咖啡没有影响XX人, 这题文中没有关于完成时的时间, 所以用过去时。 而且didn't seem to bother 如果时完成时的话, 用hasn't seemed to bother就可以了。

在得了某个病后又好了得, 用完成时因为, 病好是在过去某一时间发生但没有确定时间。


作者: chang2301    时间: 2006-10-2 16:02

我覺得這題除了大家討論的時態以外

有一個錯誤的地方...

因為五個答案中的"it"並不是一個很好的代名詞

因為題目中有love affair和chocolate兩個單數名詞

"it"will create ambiguity for readers

不知道各位覺得呢?


作者: amysarmy    时间: 2006-10-21 17:50

我觉得不用have tasted 的一个主要原因是是因为taste是一个瞬间动词而不是持续性动词的原因

一家之言..


作者: yinlixiao    时间: 2008-8-28 07:23
现在完成时的用法在OG上说得很清楚,有两种用法:1 在过去某一不确定时间发生的动作;2 开始在过去一直持续到现在的动作。
为什么大家都一直在强调第2个用法,而忽略了第一种用法。

作者: richardxia    时间: 2008-8-31 22:07
以下是引用yinlixiao在2008-8-28 7:23:00的发言:
现在完成时的用法在OG上说得很清楚,有两种用法:1 在过去某一不确定时间发生的动作;2 开始在过去一直持续到现在的动作。
为什么大家都一直在强调第2个用法,而忽略了第一种用法。

so, which one should be the answer?


作者: lupisces    时间: 2009-4-3 20:34

I am lost ...

maybe just cannot use two perfect tense together in an inf?


作者: liu032041    时间: 2009-6-29 01:04

个人的意见:

这句话的意思是几乎没有人被知道吃过以后不要再吃的,这里第一个完成时态是指到目前为止没有这样的特例,所以是完成时态。而吃过以后不要再吃不是一个持续的动作,而是一个一次性的动作,不可能一直在吃,所以A不对。所以应该用不定式。冒号后面应该要跟的是一个完整的句子,所以BE不对,C改变了句子的意思变成了没有什么人尝试过。


作者: lijiahui0422    时间: 2009-7-17 15:19
我觉得A完成时合理,因为 taste 发生在require 这个动作之前,用完成时可以很好的表示出这种先后关系,这种例子改错里涉及完成时的好像也不在少数,请各位拍砖!

作者: sudagrape    时间: 2009-7-29 17:43

个人觉得这句话要表达意思是:还没有人被知道在第一次吃过之后不会在要更多。是一个一般的状态,用to taste 即可,而且 taste 似乎不是一个可以持续的动作。 

A的意思是  还没有人被知道在第一次已经吃过之后而不会要更多,意思比较别扭

个人感觉还是D比较好。 陋见陋见


作者: ruochen    时间: 2009-12-10 17:04
谢谢蓝色泡泡,但是偶觉得这里似乎应该用完成式更好,因为完成式强调了不定式的动作发生在主句动作之前。看下面摘自语法大全:
1) 现在时:一般现在时表示的动词,有时与谓语动词表示的动作同时发生,有时发生在谓语动词的动作之后。
  He seems to know this.
  I hope to see you again. = I hope that I'll see you again. 我希望再见到你。

2) 完成时:表示的动作发生在谓语动词表示的动作之前。
 I'm sorry to have given you so much trouble.
 He seems to have caught a cold.
-- by 会员 LES (2004/6/4 19:21:00)



我觉得后面用了完成时的两个句子可不可以这样理解:

I'm sorry to have given you so much trouble.

He seems to have(=has) caught a cold.

去掉了黑体字之后句子的逻辑依然成立,

但是few people have been known to have tasted it for the first time就很奇怪了。
1.         The fear of rabies is well founded; few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms.

(A) few people are known to recover from the disease after the appearance of the clinical symptoms

(B) few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(C) there are few known people who have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

(D) after the clinical symptoms appear, there are few known people who have recovered from the diseaseB

(E) recovery from the disease is known for only a few people after the clinical symptoms appear这个答案可是B哦,怎么解释?????

 
-- by 会员 ethyl (2005/5/7 14:46:00)



同理

few people are known to have recovered from the disease once the clinical symptoms have appeared

也是成立的




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