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知道中欧05级有位叫Donna的女生当年拿到了University of Michigan，法国Insead和中欧的offer,又利用美国出差的机会分别去几所顶尖商学院看了看，最后选择了中欧。如果可能，跟她聊聊，也许会对你的选择有帮助。

如果现在已经比较senior了，那么，的确可能是ceibs更加好，因为与其学东西，不如说是累积人脉。

就凭职业目标在中国，那中欧就是最好的选择。你可以给他们打个分（每项以10作为满分），如：
                DARDON VS CEIBS
世界范围内品牌    9         3          10%权重
中国国内品牌      6         9          20%权重
教学质量          8         8          30%权重
校友网络（在国内） 1        9           30%权重
机会成本          -8        -3          10%权重
最后得分          4    <   6.9

以下是引用zack_wong在2007-12-24 21:51:00的发言：
在国内工作貌似也不用把口语提高太多的必要。。。

看您是想去民企、国企、还是外企工作。如果前二者的话，当然不需要。但是看看中欧招聘的公司好像还是以外企居多。

在外企工作不需要把口语提高太多？除非是想一辈子做底层。

Darden is almost a full case method school, which might be quite challenging for Chinese students.

However,I would stronglly recommend LZ to go for Darden if LZ want to join Top tier consulting firms or I-banks. If LZ' goal is to get a corporate job with Annual salary around 40K~50K USD, then Ceibs might be a good choice for risk-averse people.

以下是引用wenronhui在2007-12-24 21:43:00的发言：

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From: Raaja

Posted: Dec-14

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Hi,

I was wondering whether anyone applied to CEIBS R1.

Does anyone have any idea if CEIBS will be a good option for Finance/ Investment banking?

For some good reason CEIBS is ranked #11 in FT 2007 Full Time MBA ranking !

Thanks.

From: tigerwang

Posted: Dec-21

To: Raaja

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If u wanna do business in China or Greater China Area, definitely CEIBS is the best choice, considering good ranking and comparably cheap tuition fee and living costs.

From: manjazz

Posted: Dec-21

To: tigerwang
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I went to CEIBs on exchange... the classes are poor and not worth your time... The ranking is garbage. I think the FT made a mistake... missing a digit... the true ranking should be 111 and not 11.

The students are quite intelligent, but the faculty is horrendous. The 2nd year courses are so generic they really add no value whatsoever. In addition, top banks and consulting firms avoid CEIBS like a plague...

From: redswing

Posted: Dec-21

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I agree - went on my CEIBS exchange and was terribly disappointed by the quality of the teaching as well as the administration staff. Much of the student population wasn't at all impressive. Finally, the renowned campus, designed by a famous architect, is a joke for a school.

Quite a few professors are not equipped with the tools to teach MBA students. In a particular instance, a marketing professor set a quiz on NPV but he was unable to explain the concept of NPV in class. The administration lags behind in getting anything done - and the crux of the class is not particpation but attendance. The over-zealous administration often penalizes students severely for missing classes - missing 20% of classes will result in failing grades. When asks to clarify the situation, replies come back a month later.

Plenty of the local students are just poor candidates for business school - with no real drive to learn or cooperate in projects/assignments. Most of them were just copy&pasting answers while only being concerned with checking stocks and skipping classes for golf. When actually present for classes, comments or contribution to the class were infrequent and poorly phrased. In fact, most of their language skills were found lacking. Some had even requested to converse in Mandarin during group meetings as they were not articulate enough to converse with others in English. This is ridiculous especially when many of them score 700+ on the GMATs. The only thing to learn from them is how to be lazy when it comes to work and blame others for your inadequacies.

The campus is often touted as an architectural marvel - however the campus is small, dirty and in shambles. Cracks are often present in the walls of the school - the place looks presentable but it is falling apart. The heating system dont work: In the summer, when temperatures soar to 40 degrees celcius, the AC wouldn't work. In the winter, the school refuses to turn on heating unless it is below 10degrees celcius. Also, the Pudong campus is really far from civilization - 1hr minimum to the city. The only way to get a subway station is via a relatively expensive cab ride.

The only plausible answer to why their ranking is so high is the difference between their salaries before and after. Entering with annual 60K RMB (6K ? and exiting with annual 120K RMB (12K ? is alot for a local student but is peanuts compared to the post-MBA salaries of any top 20 school. All in all - CEIBS were the bane of my MBA career - i highly recommend anyone against going to the school for exchange or full-time.

From: jelt

Posted: Dec-21

To: redswing
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Hi,

And I thought I was the only one with a bad experience at CEIBS. I visited last week, and the admissions officer immediately quizzed me on my GMAT score. Then, after waxing lyrical about how they were higher on 'potential' than actual length of work experience, proceded to shoot me down for only having internships and pre-college FT work experience ("get some REAL work experience", he said). Finally, he proclaimed very happily to me that their students were top class, as evinced by their (look here!) Merril Lynch Hong Kong and Deutsche Bank India admits.

Perhaps most bizzare, when I then asked about Chinese language programmes, he said that I hadn't taken the HSK (the Chinese TOEFL) and so wouldn't be eligibile to apply. That is, IF THEY HAD SUCH PROGRAMMES IN THE FIRST PLACE (and they don't). Huh??

I'm going to avoid this school like the plague.

From: m330ci

Posted: Dec-23

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i remember looking through their glossy viewbook and in the back (or it could have been in the packet, anyway) was an application and i was amused that they had a section for a picture. hahahahaha.

From: ib_asia

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CEIBS sucks, like many of you I wasted my time with them as well.

FT lists crazy salary figures, meanwhile when you talk with CEIBS, the true salaries are in the range of 35-45k USD! This is what happens, FT adjusts CEIBS's figures for PPP... Now I really care less that I can get a flat relatively cheap in Shanghai, and even that is not true lately. Also, try getting a job in Shanghai without fluent Mandarin-Chinese. It is better to go to Hong Kong or SIngapore. Heard Hong Kong UST is a decent choice for Finance, but have not confirmed that yet.

看来不少Exchage的学生对中欧有很不好的影响, 很少听到这样的评论,看来中欧在软件方面的确还有不少是要去改进的

i dont' know much about the quality in CEIBS, but if i were you, facing US and China experience, i would definitly choose US as international experience is a must for most top-tier professional firms.

我就想了解,LZ问了这么久,最后选哪家? 我怀疑某些人天天询问些子虚乌有的假问题.

以下是引用谈股论金在2008-3-26 19:00:00的发言：

我就想了解,LZ问了这么久,最后选哪家? 我怀疑某些人天天询问些子虚乌有的假问题.

谢谢关心，选择了ceibs。国内有自己的两家公司。所以综合考虑，选了中欧。

以下是引用fightingfor在2007-12-23 22:03:00的发言：

学费呢, 选择的时候大家考虑的吗?

毕竟中欧给了个二等奖学金. darden一点都没给.

所以真有些犹豫

darden没奖就算了。。。。。被上沉重的债。。。。。。学费相同的话Darden。你不看看论坛里别人甩的都是darden的全奖。拿到darden半奖的基本后来都不好意思说话了，想MIT的。。拿得到Sloan的人一般最少拿得到darden半奖或者emory半全奖之类的。。。所以darden没奖还是算了。。。。。在美国就业拣TOP15的漏，，，回中国，，如果钱多，花钱没所谓的话就去。。如果学费花了想尽快赚回来的话，算了。

以下是引用irisfang在2008-3-28 18:45:00的发言：

难道CEIBS现在真有这么大的魅力？

呵呵我拿到了CEIBS的一等奖学金我还在犹豫徘徊

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以下是引用慕容楠生在2008-3-27 20:33:00的发言：

以下是引用慕容楠生在2008-3-28 19:48:00的发言：

啥叫一等奖学金？？全奖？如果和darden比就不用考虑了。。。完全可以一边读着一边申请Dream7。。。。。申不到就算了，申到再去不迟。

难道还可以一边读，一边再申请的？貌似太折腾了。。。。。。还是好好读个算了

以下是引用ranning在2008-3-28 20:00:00的发言：

敢情您老这是在说我呢？

我记得的darden全奖是liangnv同学。。。。她去了哥伦比亚，，，，你拿到darden难得的半奖，完全没有理由在亚洲徘徊了。

——darden的半奖不好意思说话了，，，貌似就是你。。。。。

以下是引用irisfang在2008-3-29 10:31:00的发言：

呵呵，不是全奖，但是基本上很便宜了

我拿到CK的 almost 全奖和CEIBS的一等

难道还可以一边读，一边再申请的？貌似太折腾了。。。。。。还是好好读个算了

长江有个同学是长江读完了再去的哥伦比亚还是哪个TOP5，这里的同学应该都知道。。我先申个tsinghua的在职再慢慢申国外，TOP10机会很小，但是不是TOP10如果非全奖的话又不想去，这个就是俺的小市民心态。

将来钱多了，申Wharton的EMBA或者P-time MBA，每周坐飞机去美国上课。

以下是引用慕容楠生在2008-3-29 19:40:00的发言：

将来钱多了，申Wharton的EMBA或者P-time MBA，每周坐飞机去美国上课。

以下是引用Happy2007在2008-3-29 20:26:00的发言：

貌似很多美国top商院的MBA项目不接受已经持有MBA学位的申请者

三条，取得大陆入学资格和在读期间，不等于已经持有MBA学位。在职的更不用说。