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标题: OG 8中的that用法 [打印本页]

作者: lizaz    时间: 2003-12-13 16:25
标题: OG 8中的that用法
8. Lacking information about energy use, people tend to overestimate the amount of energy used by equipment, such as lights, that are visible and must be turned on and off and underestimate that used by unobtrusive equipment, such as water heaters.
(A) equipment, such as lights, that are visible and must be turned on and off and underestimate that
(B) equipment, such as lights, that are visible and must be turned on and off and underestimate it when
(C) equipment, such as lights, that is visible and must be turned on and off and underestimate it when
(D) visible equipment, such as lights, that must be turned on and off and underestimate that
(E) visible equipment, such as lights, that must be turned on and off and underestimate it when

请问ETS为什么用that,而不用which,这里不是非限制性定从句嘛?
作者: motorola00    时间: 2003-12-13 17:53
such as lights 是插入语,that 是修饰equipment.
作者: super_lee    时间: 2003-12-13 22:43
that 是指代the amount of energy

在这种对比性的句式中,单数用that,复数用those.
记住就行。
作者: motorola00    时间: 2003-12-14 01:03
我觉得that 不是修饰 the amount of energy。 难道 the amount  is visible and can be turn down and turn off??
作者: Samson2004    时间: 2003-12-14 01:43
以下是引用motorola00在2003-12-13 17:53:00的发言:
such as lights 是插入语,that 是修饰equipment.


Agree.
作者: Allen    时间: 2003-12-14 04:08
以下是引用motorola00在2003-12-14 1:03:00的发言:
我觉得that 不是修饰 the amount of energy。 难道 the amount  is visible and can be turn down and turn off??


同意
作者: Snazzy    时间: 2003-12-14 04:13
then when r 'that' and 'which' used?
what's the difference?
作者: ios    时间: 2003-12-14 10:50
这是限定性定于从句,所以用that.
作者: 超级帅哥    时间: 2003-12-14 11:11
以下是引用motorola00在2003-12-14 1:03:00的发言:
我觉得that 不是修饰 the amount of energy。 难道 the amount  is visible and can be turn down and turn off??


他说的是第二个THAT~~~

你说的是第一个THAT
作者: motorola00    时间: 2003-12-14 11:43
oh... 就第一个that 而言,不能用which, 否则就变成限制性定语从句必须修饰lights了。。
作者: clelia    时间: 2004-11-7 16:59

请问第二个”that”跟据super_lee所说, 在这种对比性的句式中,单数用that,复数用those.”,那可不可以以”it”代替呢??我知道用it代替很怪,可是不懂怪在哪里,that用在做代名词时和”it”有哪里不同呢??求助各大NN了~~~


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作者: hougang    时间: 2004-11-10 21:03

同意that修饰equipment,但是


问题在与sth, such as ..., that ....


对于这种插入语的形式,是不是可以把插入语忽略,当作没有看见?因为我记得在语法里面,that在定语从句的时候前面是不能够有comma的?nn指教啊


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作者: LES    时间: 2004-11-13 14:55

对,一般情况下that前面是不可以有“,”的,这主要是说限定性修饰与非限定性修饰的区别,即that只可以做限定性定语从句的引导词。

但是有插入语的情况不同,因为插入语一般只作补充说明,不影响原句的结构和意思,所以也可以通俗的说“把插入语忽略”。


作者: 李大衛    时间: 2004-11-14 12:13

把兩個逗號插入句不要看  第一個that是限定用法修飾visible equipment跟which功能應該一樣  第二個that代the amonut of energy


作者: ca3ltoys    时间: 2004-12-8 16:24
in addition, the it in E is wong I think, cause it exactly equal to the amount of energy used by visible equipment.就是说这里应该用that而不能用it.不知对否?
作者: swimmingfrog    时间: 2005-2-1 09:38

搂主的问题好像还是没被解决啊,限定性定语从句that 引导,非限定性定语从句which引导,

我记得必须用that 的情况有:

前面限定词是1;形容词最高级         the most important thing that we know is ....不能用which

                     2;有人又有物              Mike and the dag that we saw are.....不能用which

必须用which 的情况是有介词在前,such as , in which , of which, to whcih,

还有什么?谁可以补充一下?这道题目中也可以用which 吗?


作者: STEVEN_SH    时间: 2005-2-1 11:04
以下是引用swimmingfrog在2005-2-1 9:38:00的发言:

搂主的问题好像还是没被解决啊,限定性定语从句that 引导,非限定性定语从句which引导,


我记得必须用that 的情况有:


前面限定词是1;形容词最高级         the most important thing that we know is ....不能用which


                     2;有人又有物              Mike and the dag that we saw are.....不能用which


必须用which 的情况是有介词在前,such as , in which , of which, to whcih,


还有什么?谁可以补充一下?这道题目中也可以用which 吗?




作者: ponny    时间: 2005-3-14 14:12

请问: Equipment 不可数,为什么such as 后面的名词lightheaters不用单数,要用复数?


作者: colacat    时间: 2005-3-14 14:26

那个不是复数, lights是照明设备的总称

water heaters 是热水器的总称


作者: peajack    时间: 2005-5-4 15:08

可以用which,但用that也没错。两个逗号等于没有。


作者: smartchen2005    时间: 2005-8-27 11:03

这个问题好像牛人还没有解释到底第二个that可不可以用it来替代呢?


作者: fuyun    时间: 2005-9-7 00:48
以下是引用smartchen2005在2005-8-27 11:03:00的发言:

这个问题好像牛人还没有解释到底第二个that可不可以用it来替代呢?



不可以,it是特指,that 是泛指


如果用it,指the amount of energy used by visible equipment, 而 that 单指the amount这个是被unobtrusive equipment用掉的energy.


作者: kuang21    时间: 2005-10-3 23:32

不可以,it是特指,that 是泛指
如果用it,指the amount of energy used by visible equipment, 而 that 单指the amount这个是被unobtrusive equipment用掉的energy.
請問要用什麼樣的判斷原則呢?




作者: ivygirl    时间: 2005-12-5 17:29
以下是引用kuang21在2005-10-3 23:32:00的发言:

.请问要用什么样的判断原则呢?




up

I also have this question


作者: promising    时间: 2006-2-16 15:04

对于visible equipment, such as lights, that must be turned on and off


这个that 引导的是限制从句,还是非限制从句,还没有定论,


请牛人指教!


作者: 顾风    时间: 2006-2-24 13:01

我觉得都行,如果是限制性


必须开和关的设备


非限制性


这些设备共同的属性是必须开和关,从意思上感觉差不多


visible equipment, such as lights, that must be turned on and off


-> visible equipment that must be turned on and off, such as lights


是不是可以看成,插入语的位置放到中间而已。并不影响句子结构。


作者: 当当84    时间: 2006-6-5 14:42
以下是引用fuyun在2005-9-7 0:48:00的发言:

不可以,it是特指,that 是泛指

如果用it,指the amount of energy used by visible equipment, 而 that 单指the amount这个是被unobtrusive equipment用掉的energy.

还是不太明白,我是根据平行原则推出that 是指the amount of energy 但我不懂得是,it 为什么指代the amount of energy used by visible equipment ?
作者: sen4sun    时间: 2006-6-5 15:15
没有其他可以指代了. that/those 通常指代前面提过的名词. 主句中 "lights" 是插入语, people 不能用that
作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-6-5 15:41

such as lights插入语

that是修饰的visible equipment

which的话就修饰lights,就变成一个长的要命的插入语了,

就是这样一个结构

visible equipment,【插入语+which修饰】,such as water heaters意思完全被破坏


作者: gmatdk    时间: 2006-6-20 21:47
Good explanation Gonghao.
作者: xiaowan    时间: 2006-10-4 22:35
以下是引用gonghao在2006-6-5 15:41:00的发言:

such as lights插入语

that是修饰的visible equipment

which的话就修饰lights,就变成一个长的要命的插入语了,

就是这样一个结构

visible equipment,【插入语+which修饰】,such as water heaters意思完全被破坏

今天复习到这题,觉得如果换成which的话应该是逻辑上修饰equipment,语法上修饰lights,产生了不一致


作者: shanj    时间: 2006-10-8 12:41

that 用作指示代词的时候,可以指代一个名词词组、一个分句、一个句子或几个句子;但有时,that也可能仅指一个分句或一个句子中的部分内容。336-337

it  作第三人称代词时,它的先行词既可以是一个词组也可以是一个分句、一个句子或几个句子所表达的全部或部分内容。327

以上的两句话都是 《章振邦 新编英语语法》中的意思,那么在这道题中就是it和that 都可以的喽?

btw, 把E中的when 去掉就可以了吗?好别扭阿,请教大家了!

看到前人说it和that指代抽象 或具体一说,有什么根据吗?

longman中

it

1 used to refer to a thing, animal, situation, idea etc that has already been mentioned or is already known about

eg: 'Where's your office?' 'It's on the third floor.' I love the spring - it's a wonderful time of the year. There were people crying, buildings on fire. It was terrible! Don't blame me. It wasn't my idea. This little beast is a lemur and it lives in Madagascar.

that

3

plural those / ðəʊz $ ðoʊz /
formal  used to refer to a particular person or thing of the general type that has just been mentioned
In my opinion, the finest wines are those from France.
that of
His own experience was different from that of his friends.

好吧,我找到了抽象和具体的区别,不过og中说的是BCE结构不对,没有说 it 使用错误呢,请指教阿!


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作者: xiaowan    时间: 2006-10-8 12:53
可是在GMAT中it和that都不可以指代句子,就如which不可以一样,我想这大概是符合表意清楚的原则的,GMAT的语法要求更严格些,而且it是指和前面提到的一样的东西,that是那一类,并不是同一个东西,但愿我说清楚了
作者: shanj    时间: 2006-10-8 12:59
说得非常清楚,谢谢啦!
作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-10-8 14:37

it 和 that 不能指代句子

that修饰时,只能修饰先行词,

which用于非限制性定从的修饰,在GMAT中又就近和逻辑修饰,ETS希望这两个修饰能重合。


作者: Krystal_Wang    时间: 2008-10-10 08:56

紫OG对BCE都有这样的解释“such as lights”is not parallel to "unobtrusive"这是什么意思啊?

望NN们排解疑惑~~


作者: piaolf123    时间: 2008-11-22 16:27
以下是引用Krystal_Wang在2008-10-10 8:56:00的发言:

紫OG对BCE都有这样的解释“such as lights”is not parallel to "unobtrusive"这是什么意思啊?

望NN们排解疑惑~~

the amount of energy used by visible equipment .......与....
                thatused by unobtrusive equipment

这两个是parallel的






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