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作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-17 09:47
标题: 关于商学院PhD的学习生活

都说"PhD is a lifestyle". 我打算申请香港和新加坡商学院的PhD,所以想多了解一下商学院的PhD的学习生活,我想这也是许多申请者希望了解的,我想请教以下几个问题:
1.  商学院读博,最后读不下来的人比例大概有多大啊?达到三分之一吗?比如新加坡,博士万一读不下来的话一般授予硕士学位吗?
2.  我在其它贴子里看到,去读博相当多的时间是用来帮导师干活的,那是不是意味着好象朝九晚五的上班族那样一周要干五天活,然后只能用晚上的时间看书啊?如果是商科,应该不是在实验室工作的,那是帮导师干什么呢,在电脑前收集资料攒文章?
3.  还有一个问题,不好意思,实在是想了解一下,读博得强度到底多大啊,是不是一天除去干活和学习外,很难保证7个小时的睡眠啊?

不好意思问了这些琐碎的问题,大家一起分享一下自己所了解的情况吧,谢谢!!


作者: sm1    时间: 2007-10-17 19:40

Based on my observation, 80% can graduate.

Different universities require different work hours for professors, such as CUHK requires 12 hours and Langnan requires very little, less than ......seem nothing. As for the work, difficult to say because you do not know who you will follow.

7 hours sleeping, no problem.


作者: nancy1987    时间: 2007-10-17 22:42

hk is ok...i do think most of them can graduate.

那是帮导师干什么呢,在电脑前收集资料攒文章

-for this ,ug student will do that...but sometimes prof will ask pg student to do it too. (u will get pay, of course)


作者: joysource    时间: 2007-10-18 08:01
I disagree that PhD is a so-called lifestyle...Sounds a bit weird...It's just an array of intellectual training that might be helpful to your future careers.

作者: wenson_zhou    时间: 2007-10-18 08:39
以下是引用joysource在2007-10-18 8:01:00的发言:
I disagree that PhD is a so-called lifestyle...Sounds a bit weird...It's just an array of intellectual training that might be helpful to your future careers.

Ha, I think it's ok to call PhD a lifestyle, for the 5-years-time is really a long time in your life and will have meaningful effect on your future life 
作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-18 21:28

Thank you all for your reply. Information from you will be very useful in my decision-making.

I'm thinking of applying for Singapore Universities and I'd be grateful if someone can tell me sth about PhD students'study life there.In the above answers someone mentioned about working hours for professors and I was wondering if someone can advise me about that at Nanyang Technological University.


作者: michaelgoal    时间: 2007-10-20 10:20

I don't know about this Nanyang University. But I can share my experience with you. Hopefully it'll be helpful to you.

I'm doing PhD in Finance in Canada. This is my first year in this program. I've heard a lot about the difficulties about this program before. But I didn't realize how hard it is untill I am actually doing it. For the past a month and a half, I spent almost 15 hours studying everyday, and I still feel that I am behind the schedule.  So if you decide to do PhD, be fully prepared first.

About the rearch assistant, it is actually very good experiece to you. Since you'll expect doing a lot of reseach in the future anyway, just think of it as some practice. And you'll learn a lot of empirical techniques from it.  So there is really nothing to worry about. The only thing is that you have to devote some time on it every week.

 hD is hard to get, PhD in Management is the hardest. Welcome aboard and good luck!


作者: yession    时间: 2007-10-20 10:46
以下是引用michaelgoal在2007-10-20 10:20:00的发言:

I don't know about this Nanyang University. But I can share my experience with you. Hopefully it'll be helpful to you.

I'm doing PhD in Finance in Canada. This is my first year in this program. I've heard a lot about the difficulties about this program before. But I didn't realize how hard it is untill I am actually doing it. For the past a month and a half, I spent almost 15 hours studying everyday, and I still feel that I am behind the schedule.  So if you decide to do PhD, be fully prepared first.

About the rearch assistant, it is actually very good experiece to you. Since you'll expect doing a lot of reseach in the future anyway, just think of it as some practice. And you'll learn a lot of empirical techniques from it.  So there is really nothing to worry about. The only thing is that you have to devote some time on it every week.

 hD is hard to get, PhD in Management is the hardest. Welcome aboard and good luck!

确实不容易,我也是一年级phd,倒没有那么夸张,但是脑力真的很伤,虽然我还有时间睡觉,做饭,运动,但是其他时间每时每刻都在动脑筋想问题。感觉就像是以前竞赛要求的题目,变成日常的功课,每天都要想一些非常抽象的问题。


作者: michaelgoal    时间: 2007-10-20 11:16
以下是引用yession在2007-10-20 10:46:00的发言:

I don't know about this Nanyang University. But I can share my experience with you. Hopefully it'll be helpful to you.

I'm doing PhD in Finance in Canada. This is my first year in this program. I've heard a lot about the difficulties about this program before. But I didn't realize how hard it is untill I am actually doing it. For the past a month and a half, I spent almost 15 hours studying everyday, and I still feel that I am behind the schedule.  So if you decide to do PhD, be fully prepared first.

About the rearch assistant, it is actually very good experiece to you. Since you'll expect doing a lot of reseach in the future anyway, just think of it as some practice. And you'll learn a lot of empirical techniques from it.  So there is really nothing to worry about. The only thing is that you have to devote some time on it every week.

 hD is hard to get, PhD in Management is the hardest. Welcome aboard and good luck!

确实不容易,我也是一年级phd,倒没有那么夸张,但是脑力真的很伤,虽然我还有时间睡觉,做饭,运动,但是其他时间每时每刻都在动脑筋想问题。感觉就像是以前竞赛要求的题目,变成日常的功课,每天都要想一些非常抽象的问题。

Yes, you are right.

But actually, I am not exaggerating, either. My case is kindof special, which makes it even harder. Because I don't have any background in Finance, I need to catch up with a lot of stuff that other students don't have to do. It takes a lot of time.

Anyway, I hope all these pains we suffer today will be paid off in the future. 


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作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-20 23:23

谢谢楼上两位给予的解答!

还想请教一下,对于managementstrategy) 方面的PhD,学习过程中对于数学的要求高吗?我本科和硕士阶段都没学过高数,统计方面也只了解最基础的知识,所以对于数学这方面非常的担心,像我这种文科转商科的,是不是到时数学方面相当的够呛啊.不知道如果被录取的话,是不是要自学高等数学等科目呢?


作者: wenson_zhou    时间: 2007-10-20 23:42
在商学院做研究,统计是肯定需要的!

作者: yession    时间: 2007-10-21 06:38
以下是引用cgchengang在2007-10-20 23:23:00的发言:

谢谢楼上两位给予的解答!

还想请教一下,对于managementstrategy) 方面的PhD,学习过程中对于数学的要求高吗?我本科和硕士阶段都没学过高数,统计方面也只了解最基础的知识,所以对于数学这方面非常的担心,像我这种文科转商科的,是不是到时数学方面相当的够呛啊.不知道如果被录取的话,是不是要自学高等数学等科目呢?

至少我们学校 所有商科phd基本上第一年是都是一样的课 几乎都是对数学要求很高 不夸张的说 高数还是远远不够的 微积分是最基础的 必须一眼看个式子马上能知道导数和不定积分 概率也变成非常抽象 特别是多元随机变量 所有东西都变成矩阵 必须对线性代数非常熟悉

所以如果被录取的话 肯定要自学高等数学的 而且必须熟练掌握

另外如果有时间的话 最好自学高等代数 实变函数 概率论 数理统计 (如果是finance的话 还需要测度论)


作者: michaelgoal    时间: 2007-10-22 05:01
以下是引用cgchengang在2007-10-20 23:23:00的发言:

谢谢楼上两位给予的解答!

还想请教一下,对于managementstrategy) 方面的PhD,学习过程中对于数学的要求高吗?我本科和硕士阶段都没学过高数,统计方面也只了解最基础的知识,所以对于数学这方面非常的担心,像我这种文科转商科的,是不是到时数学方面相当的够呛啊.不知道如果被录取的话,是不是要自学高等数学等科目呢?

是的,没有一定的数学底子学起来会很吃力。

其实我也是从文科转过来的,好在我之前学了些高数,但毕竟学的不够深,所以现在还是感觉比较吃力。别人花十分钟看的东西,我们可能学要半个小时。所以如果可能的话,还是自己先补一补这方面的知识才好。


作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-22 10:02
谢谢楼上各位!看得我心里惴惴不安,申请的道路真是曲折啊!由于我周围认识的人中没有一个是出国读商学院PhD的,所以我虽然一路申请,但每一步都是自己试探着走的,好容易见到点曙光了,却刚刚才得知读商学院PhD要有好的数学基础,现在真是进退两难!
作者: michaelgoal    时间: 2007-10-22 11:58
以下是引用cgchengang在2007-10-22 10:02:00的发言:
谢谢楼上各位!看得我心里惴惴不安,申请的道路真是曲折啊!由于我周围认识的人中没有一个是出国读商学院PhD的,所以我虽然一路申请,但每一步都是自己试探着走的,好容易见到点曙光了,却刚刚才得知读商学院PhD要有好的数学基础,现在真是进退两难!

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bring you down. All I am saying is that it is not an easy job, especially for someone like us, who doesn't have enough background. But on the other hand, I always believe that everybody has some unknown potentiality to develop, and further you study, further you will realize it. If you don't try it, you'll never know what you are capable of, right? So make the right decision for yourself and go for it.

Trust me, if I can do it, anybody can, including you. Good luck.


作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-22 16:43
To michaelgoal:Thank you for your encouragement!
作者: antipower    时间: 2007-10-23 08:41

About strategy, basic calculus, statistic, and economics are required, even though you will go through fundamental courses in the first year. These fundamental courses are usually offered in doctoral level. The foundation for strategy is economics and sociology, so it's helpful if you have these trainings or backgrounds.

I'm studying my first-year Ph.D. in management. I found if you have some stat background or research experience, it's very helpful for an international student.


作者: stanley_bao    时间: 2007-10-23 13:30

economics and psychology


作者: cgchengang    时间: 2007-10-23 16:05
谢谢大家的回复,我现在在网上下了微积分方面的讲义,打算结合中文书自学一下,各位手头有比较适合我这种初学者的中文书推荐吗?或者知道哪里有好的课件可下载吗?虽然从小到大都认为自己不擅长数学,但还是想试着自学一下,谢谢大家的鼓励啦!
作者: buckeyeTD    时间: 2007-10-23 20:55

拿到offer再学也不迟。祝楼主好运!


作者: baddau    时间: 2007-11-20 10:54

新加坡不怎么累,还能每天睡10个小时。。。。。。






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