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标题: 大全上天山新题20 -2 的答案有误 [打印本页]

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-12-2 00:50
标题: 大全上天山新题20 -2 的答案有误 (大全985)
感谢 gemj 的无私奉献

大全真是旷世杰作，对查找总结尤其方便

最近在Kaplan gmat 800 上看到此题，答案是 A

特将解释抄录如下

2. Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.
(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark
(B) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark
(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of
(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking
(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

The key to getting the right answer for this question is recognizing that the underlined portion of the sentence should not contain pronoun. The answer choices give you the option of replacing with different colors with whose different colors but the second option is wrong because, if you added whose, it could refer to the layers or the Canon, and whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), it's used incorrectly. Eliminate (B) and (C). (A) is correct.

Eliminate (E) as well because the subject of "marking" is similarly unclear; is it the layer or the Canyon this is marking the passage of time? And (A) is better than (D) because, once again, seen is better than the wordier alternative been able to see. (A) is correct.

特录入以作为对大全的小小回报

作者: yzlinlin 时间: 2003-12-2 02:05
谢谢。

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-12-5 03:51
gemj 请看一下，大全中任未改过来

另天山新题20 第九题的答案好像应为 D

9. Baker was perhaps not the most gifted soloist in the orchestra, but the conductor felt what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by the passion with which he played the music.
(A) what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(B) what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by
(C) whatever was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(D) whatever he lacked in technical skill was more than made up for by
(E) whatever he lacked in technical skill he more than made up by

作者: shellyaaa 时间: 2003-12-5 05:49
我觉得答案是A。whatever这里意思不通。另外be lacking in 是个习惯表达。至于make up与make up for是否都能表达弥补的意思，我不是很清楚。

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-12-5 10:50

以下是引用shellyaaa在2003-12-5 5:49:00的发言：
我觉得答案是A。whatever这里意思不通。另外be lacking in 是个习惯表达。至于make up与make up for是否都能表达弥补的意思，我不是很清楚。

whatever 与 the most gifted soloist 对应，意思表达的完美，很通啊。
make up for 才是弥补的意思

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-5 11:13
WHATEVE sounds weird, isn' t it? i would prefer to A

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-25 22:57
         新题20-2，答案到底是A还是D？？

         Snazzy    ecsniffer    jnlvo    tianwan你们的看法是什么？？

         大家的看法呢？？

         我当时做这个题目，选的是A，我看到D先排除了，been    able    to    情态动词擅自添加嘛，而且，D和A比较，除去前面的been    able    to    区别，就在于从句和分词，但是我认为从句和分词区别不是致命的，而情态动词的添加，似乎不太好

         但GEMJ兄没有将大全的答案改掉，是不是还有什么问题？

         大家来看看，讨论。。。

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作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-25 23:27

应该还是D：A的with短语有问题，做状语不好理解，作定语也不好理解。fficeffice" />

D的with短语结构相当于独立主格结构，避免了A的尴尬。

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-25 23:54
         tianwan讲的有道理，但是我觉得做独立主格也不是很好理解，能具体解释一下吗？

         weiyu兄怎么看？其他斑竹怎么看

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-26 00:25
marking 是个现在分词，这个with结构和独立主格起同样的作用，在这里表原因。将这个结构还原 because colors mark the passage of time like the rings.

注意，标准书面语中，独立主格不仅仅表示伴随，还可以表示时间，原因，条件，结果等等，根据情况而定。

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作者: mariezhu 时间: 2004-3-26 09:35
个人感觉看没看到layers of sediment与个人能力无关，所以be able to是第一眼就该排除的选项。

一家之言，open to discussion....

感谢bluestonel提供的这个知识点，whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), it's used incorrectly

以后我会在做题时加以验证。

作者: mariezhu 时间: 2004-3-26 09:40
关于第二题，不知道大家有没有查过lack的用法，我手头的字典我一直感觉不是太好，上面只有sb lack sth的用法，不知道更好的字典里有没有sth lack in这种用法？我觉得有点可疑，请大牛验证一下？

另外，关于MAKE UP FOR,新概念英语第四册第13课中就有个完美的句子：no benefactions and research endowments can make up for the change in the character which the city (Oxford) has suffered.

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作者: weiyu 时间: 2004-3-28 23:24

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-26 0:25:00的发言：
marking 是个现在分词，这个with结构和独立主格起同样的作用，在这里表原因。将这个结构还原 because colors mark the passage of time like the rings.

注意，标准书面语中，独立主格不仅仅表示伴随，还可以表示时间，原因，条件，结果等等，根据情况而定。

我觉得这里be able to改变了句子的意思. with ..colors that mark...(修饰colors)我觉得可以接受.

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-28 23:35
with短语是什么意思呢？修饰谁？状语还是定语？看不懂A

作者: snow_mountain 时间: 2004-3-28 23:52

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-25 23:27:00的发言：

应该还是D：A的with短语有问题，做状语不好理解，作定语也不好理解。fficeffice" />

D的with短语结构相当于独立主格结构，避免了A的尴尬。

我也觉得D好。就觉得that mark 不如marking 好。但是不太理解tianwan 的话，A跟D不都是with 结构吗？

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-29 00:10
2.    Those    who    have    visited    the    Grand    Canyon    have    typically    seen    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    that    mark    the    passage    of    time    like    the    rings    in    a    tree    trunk.
(A)    seen    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    that    mark

(D)    been    able    to    see    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    marking

Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.

(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging（答案）

比较一下这两个句子：感觉是天山的题目是选D了。

但是还有几点不明白，请大家指点：

1。with    different    colors    marking（D）是否可以理解为定语，修饰layers    of    sediment    ？？我查了一下《薄冰英语语法》（袖珍版）340页：with引起的独立结构，可以作状语或者定语。但是语法上with    different    colors    that    mark（A）是否也可以作定语修饰layers    of    sediment    呢？？？？

2。like的问题，两个句子的like是否是介词，表示“象”？？作什么成分呢？？意思是什么象什么呢？？different    colors    象the    rings？？arms and legs 象socks？？

我本来觉得选D了，因为OG那个句子和天山的题目几乎完全相似。但是如果上面两个问题，我的想法是正确的，我实在不明白A那里错了？？？

我已经想的头脑昏昏的了~~~~请大家指点

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-29 00:11
1，只有D是相当于独立主格的with结构，

D：with different colors marking the passage去掉修饰成分：（with）color marking the passage。

A是什么：with different colors that mark the passage去掉修饰成分：（with）different colors。看不懂

2，方式状语，像...一样挂在。 /不同的颜色像年轮一样显示出...。

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作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-29 00:31
     我的意思是，with引导独立主格结构是否也能作为一种修饰成分？？比如作定语，修饰前面的名词？？按照薄冰语法的解释，是可以的。我觉得这里的独立主格结构可以理解为作定语，修饰layers    of    sediment    。

     那么，反观A选项，with短语也可以作定语，修饰layers    of    sediment    ，这在语法上好象也是允许的，对吗？？

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-29 00:43

以下是引用dreadpower在2004-3-29 0:31:00的发言：
     我的意思是，with引导独立主格结构是否也能作为一种修饰成分？？比如作定语，修饰前面的名词？？按照薄冰语法的解释，是可以的。我觉得这里的独立主格结构可以理解为作定语，修饰layers    of    sediment    。

     那么，反观A选项，with短语也可以作定语，修饰layers    of    sediment    ，这在语法上好象也是允许的，对吗？？

     那个例句中的with结构没有用逗号隔开。We went into a large waiting room with a large fan spinning overhead.

作者: georgeqian 时间: 2004-3-29 09:14

以下是引用bluestone1在2003-12-2 0:50:00的发言：
感谢    gemj    的    无私奉献

大全真是    旷世杰作，对查找总结尤其方便

最近    在Kaplan    gmat    800    上看到    此题，答案是    A

特将    解释    抄录如下

2.    Those    who    have    visited    the    Grand    Canyon    have    typically    seen    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    that    mark    the    passage    of    time    like    the    rings    in    a    tree    trunk.
(A)    seen    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    that    mark
(B)    see    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    whose    different    colors    mark
(C)    been    seeing    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    whose    different    colors    are    markers    of
(D)    been    able    to    see    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    with    different    colors    marking
(E)    seen    layers    of    sediment    in    the    gaping    canyon,    marking    by    different    colors

The    key    to    getting    the    right    answer    for    this    question    is    recognizing    that    the    underlined    portion    of    the    sentence    should    not    contain    pronoun.    The    answer    choices    give    you    the    option    of    replacing    with    different    colors    with    whose    different    colors    but    the    second    option    is    wrong    because,    if    you    added    whose,    it    could    refer    to    the    layers    or    the        Canon,    and    whenever    a    pronoun    has    more    than    one    possible    antecedent    (the    thing    it    refer    to),    it's    used    incorrectly.    Eliminate    (B)    and    (C).    (A)    is    correct.

Eliminate    (E)    as    well    because    the    subject    of    "marking"    is    similarly    unclear;    is    it    the    layer    or    the    Canyon    this    is    marking    the    passage    of    time?    And    (A)    is    better    than    (D)    because,    once    again,    seen    is    better    than    the    wordier    alternative    been    able    to    see.    (A)    is    correct.

特录入以作为对大全的小小回报

good job.要选D实在太勉强。

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-29 09:59
A的with结构还会有修饰对象的歧义。http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=43549&page=1

作者: mariezhu 时间: 2004-3-29 12:21
不好意思，打扰大家的讨论，不过我还是同意bluestonel引用kaplan解释的话：seen is better than the wordier alternative been able to see.

see在字典里的解释是：to use the eyes, have or use the power of sight

Does anybody need to be able enough to use the power of sight?

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作者: georgeqian 时间: 2004-3-29 15:31
我的选A理由是：一般来说，ETS中用that修饰比用ing修饰要好。

指正。

作者: snow_mountain 时间: 2004-3-29 17:38

以下是引用georgeqian在2004-3-29 15:31:00的发言：
我的选A理由是：一般来说，ETS中用that修饰比用ing修饰要好。

指正。

没有这种一般来说。只能根据意思来定。

作者: weiyu 时间: 2004-3-29 23:44

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-29 9:59:00的发言：
A的with结构还会有修饰对象的歧义。dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=43549&page=1

确有歧意存在，而独立主格结构表示原因取消了这种模糊修饰．　同意tianwan.

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-30 01:33
A的修饰上的模糊性太明显了，kplan毕竟不是ETS。不知道有没有ETS的解释。

作者: ca3ltoys 时间: 2004-4-3 08:41
I am not sure, just try. please NN tell me the difference between With... and V+ing... Thanks.

After we eliminated answer B C E, left two of them.    While     in my view,     as for the "with phrase",both of them are ambiguous. But don't forget we should find one best answer. Here A surplus D stands on two reasons:

1.seen    is    better    than    the    wordier    alternative    been    able    to    see.

2. in answer D, with    different    colors    marking...,Here marking... acts as a paralanguage at the end of the sentence, but we can't find one action it can happen simultaneously,

Therefore, A is better than D.

作者: caterpillar 时间: 2004-7-11 03:52

不知道这题NN们最后有没有统一意见了？

个人的理解：还是支持A。1、如果说A中的with结构修饰上有歧义，那D中的with结构修饰上也有歧义。2、OG中的例子：Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.

(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging（答案）
跟这题很相象，但是觉得OG中强调的是一个hanging的状态，与这题还是有区别的。3、关键是D中的been able to是凭空加进去的一个情态动词，没有根据。所以感觉还是应该选A。

作者: samwong 时间: 2004-7-11 20:01
the answer shoulb be d.as "make up for"is necessary.

作者: tony6 时间: 2004-8-2 22:24

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-25 23:27:00的发言：

应该还是D：A的with短语有问题，做状语不好理解，作定语也不好理解。

D的with短语结构相当于独立主格结构，避免了A的尴尬。

可是独立主格结构也还是要在句中做成分呀。

作者: channing76 时间: 2004-8-6 15:19

偶也正郁闷哪！been able to see =seen, marking＋短语表状态不是满好de.谢谢纠正。

作者: windweed 时间: 2005-1-2 08:18
标题: [讨论]天山-02 非得有个结论

天山-02 Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark

(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark

(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking（D）

(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

以下是引用caterpillar在2004-7-11 3:52:00的发言：

不知道这题NN们最后有没有统一意见了？

个人的理解：还是支持A。1、如果说A中的with结构修饰上有歧义，那D中的with结构修饰上也有歧义。2、OG中的例子：Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging（答案）like socks on a clothesline.

(跟这题很相象，所以感觉还是应该选A。

我觉得这句独立主格是修饰seen 后面的" monkeys sleeping on the branches"

Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

我觉得这题和og那个例子有点不同. 但是我还是觉得A 好. 但是我人为KAPLIN的解释并不好.

独立主格with结构到底是修饰谁的? 主句里的subject有好几个, 如果是修饰整句好象又有点不通哦. 觉得A 中with...修饰layer 挺好的, 也不知道有没有这样的用法.

有没有关于独立主格是在句中可以怎样修饰的语法知识点(比方说是否可修饰句中一个部分,是否可修饰主语,或者是谓语动词) ?好象此结不解,这题总没有定论.

还盼望大家继续讨论, 对通过此题弄清独立主格的用法.

作者: hpp920 时间: 2005-2-1 13:11

我支持D.

A的with结构有修饰歧义,OG里多次有提到. 但D的独立主格没有歧义.

作者: 携隐 时间: 2005-5-28 16:55

支持D，觉得Snazzy的意见较合理：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=38581&id=38581&skin=0

BE able to --- kind of ability

can -- kind of possibility

here 'be able to' is employed simply because visiters need to have the ability to notice sediment and tell the passage of time.

弱弱的问一句：即使A没有修饰歧义，没有句子结构上的毛病，其中的mark时态对吗？前面都是完成时，为什么这里变成一般现在时了？介词短语中的定语从句动作不需要和主句一致吗？

作者: 携隐 时间: 2005-5-28 17:00

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作者: 小葵 时间: 2005-5-29 09:42

这两道题我也错了。冒昧问一句，天山哪里来的？怎么题目感觉怪怪的？？

作者: wwwhahchn 时间: 2005-6-28 10:20

以下是引用携隐在2005-5-28 16:55:00的发言：

支持D，觉得Snazzy的意见较合理：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=38581&id=38581&skin=0

BE able to --- kind of ability

can -- kind of possibility

here 'be able to' is employed simply because visiters need to have the ability to notice sediment and tell the passage of time.

我觉得mark的时态没什么问题，表示一个自然状态，相当于真理，用一般现在时很好吖

作者: remona9t 时间: 2005-6-28 11:50

114. From the bark of the paper birch tree the Menomini crafted a canoe about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar, which could carry four persons or eight hundred pounds of baggage so light that a person could easily portage it around impeding rapids.

(A) baggage so light

(B) baggage being so light

(D) baggage, and so light（E）

(E) baggage yet was so light

OG例这道题的用法就是：SVO, with + N (并非独立主格)，

根据longman的解释：

2
having, possessing, or carrying something

a tall gentleman with a grey beard

a book with a green cover a man with a gun

We need someone with bright new ideas.

114题里的with应该是修饰宾语，即canoe, 至于修饰歧义的问题，我想主要还是要具体问题具体分析，在114题里，没有其他的名词或动词可以被with短语修饰，所以不存在修饰歧义的问题。

回到天山这道题：. Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.
(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark
(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark
(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of
(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors marking
(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors

如果with短语不能修饰前面的gaping canyon（即逻辑意思上不搭配），就不存在修饰歧义的问题

可根据kaplan的解释：whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), 如果代词会存在修饰歧义的问题，那么，我认为，with短语在这里作为非限定性的修饰成分，也会存在修饰歧义的问题。--不解中

关于with独立主格的修饰对象：

longman中是这样解释的：

12
used to say what position or state someone or something is in, or what is happening, when someone does something，--表达一种状态(OG25)，或是伴随的事件

She stood with her back to me.

We lay in bed with the window open.

She was knitting, with the television on.

with somebody/something doing something
We jumped into the water with bullets whizzing past our ears.

或表示原因状语：

14
because of a situation that exists
With John away there's more room in the house.
with something doing something
I can't do my homework with all this noise going on.

我认为D这里使用with的独立主格结构是不恰当的，with colors marking, 并不是某一种状态、or position or state something is in, 也不可能表示原因状语，而使用with + N, 表达having, possessing,却是恰当的，所以从修饰的句意上来看，我认为A更好一些。只是kaplan将whose等待词排除的原因与使用with短语有些矛盾，还希望大家在讨论。

open to discussion

作者: remona9t 时间: 2005-6-28 11:55

以下是引用mariezhu在2004-3-26 9:40:00的发言：
关于第二题，不知道大家有没有查过lack的用法，我手头的字典我一直感觉不是太好，上面只有sb lack sth的用法，不知道更好的字典里有没有sth lack in这种用法？我觉得有点可疑，请大牛验证一下？
另外，关于MAKE UP FOR,新概念英语第四册第13课中就有个完美的句子：no benefactions and research endowments can make up for the change in the character which the city (Oxford) has suffered.

9. Baker was perhaps not the most gifted soloist in the orchestra, but the conductor felt what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by the passion with which he played the music.
(A) what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(B) what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by
(C) whatever was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(D) whatever he lacked in technical skill was more than made up for by
(E) whatever he lacked in technical skill he more than made up by

在longman里查了一下lack的用法，归纳了一下：

lack(n.) of,

lack(verb) sth,

lack(verb) for sth,

be lacking(adj.) in sth

但这道题D选项，应该时应用了lack sth.动词的用法，与介词短语连用，并不存在lack搭配的问题

And the Ports have lacked real aggression in midfield --longman

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作者: howardwang 时间: 2005-11-2 08:45

以下是引用mariezhu在2004-3-26 9:35:00的发言：
个人感觉看没看到layers of sediment与个人能力无关，所以be able to是第一眼就该排除的选项。
一家之言，open to discussion....
感谢bluestonel提供的这个知识点，whenever a pronoun has more than one possible antecedent (the thing it refer to), it's used incorrectly
以后我会在做题时加以验证。

觉得说的有理，应该是A

作者: jxjiao 时间: 2005-12-3 06:17

支持D,

with+N没有必要用逗号隔开

或许be able to来自前面的typically

作者: steveyangxt 时间: 2005-12-9 15:48
a d with 都是独立主格结构，用marking 是比用that 定于从句好，但是d用be able to do sth 表示有能力，这是大错误，所以应该选a

作者: steveyangxt 时间: 2005-12-9 15:50

天山第九题答案就是d whatever 没有错，而且make up for 才能表示弥补，意义才算是完整

作者: wzparete 时间: 2006-2-13 16:51
og205:有with +N+that...A结构上应该没问题，been zble to 累赘，还是A好。

作者: legarcon 时间: 2006-2-14 04:09

我认为A,D 都是介词短语做状语，两个答案的区别在于定语从句作定语和分词做定语的区别。定语从句做定语表示一次性和具体的动作，分词做定语表示重复性和永久性的动作，从这点考虑我觉得还是选择D.另外，SEE HEARD SMELL feel等词一般和COULD 搭配，这里用的是完成时态只好be able to 代替了。请指教

作者: ricee 时间: 2008-4-27 00:38

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-26 0:25:00的发言：
marking 是个现在分词，这个with结构和独立主格起同样的作用，在这里表原因。将这个结构还原 because colors mark the passage of time like the rings.

注意，标准书面语中，独立主格不仅仅表示伴随，还可以表示时间，原因，条件，结果等等，根据情况而定。

同意！A选项with介宾短语作状语，去掉修饰成分变成 Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon，with color - 意思是“用颜色，那些人看到了.... ”，逻辑不合理

而D选项with引导的名词+现在分词独立主格作状语 Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with color marking.... - 意思是“因为有了颜色，那些人能够看到...”，逻辑非常合理，正因为有了这样的颜色差别区分，人们才能够看到layers，所以前面很恰当地用了have been able to see，这绝非罗嗦，而是出于句子的逻辑关联。

当然，以上的解释都是基于这样一个ASSUMPTION：没有像A这样的“主句，with介宾短语”结构，其中，with短语在句尾且做后置非限制性定语，若哪位同学发现有此例的，欢迎指正！

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作者: sgwanderer 时间: 2008-7-21 18:12

1．
“现在分词作定语表示长期，反复的动作，表示该动作是名词永久属性”

Color 不会就mark 一次吧，好像已经mark很多年的说

而且
Kaplan said “seen” is more precise than “be able to seen”

Similarly, “marking” is more precise than “that…”

2. 如楼上ricee 所说

In A, the comma “,” is very 突兀. 因为
“like the ring” 就近修饰mark, “with different color (that …tree trunk)” is a simple prep structure. 看到有人把这个结构解释成 with color () like ..， like 跳跃修饰 color 不合惯例。

Ppl have seen layers of sediment xxx, with different colors (that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree)

Ppl have been able to see layers of sediment xxx, with different colors marking (the passage of time) like the rings in a tree.

所以，要用comma, 必须为独立主格。而A不是，只有C符合。

对于c “be able to” 差别不大，并不是每个人都会直接注意到或发现layers of sediment 的吧，需要通过颜色来判别，因为看到颜色才能够推知layers of sediments.

最后，综合以上，从气势和重心上讲，感觉C表达比较的精彩。。。

作者: sgwanderer 时间: 2008-7-21 18:13

1．
“现在分词作定语表示长期，反复的动作，表示该动作是名词永久属性”

Color 不会就mark 一次吧，好像已经mark很多年的说

而且
Kaplan said “seen” is more precise than “be able to seen”

Similarly, “marking” is more precise than “that…”

2. 如楼上ricee 所说

Ppl have seen layers of sediment xxx, with different colors (that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree)

Ppl have been able to see layers of sediment xxx, with different colors marking (the passage of time) like the rings in a tree.

所以，要用comma, 必须为独立主格。而A不是，只有C符合。

对于c “be able to” 差别不大，并不是每个人都会直接注意到或发现layers of sediment 的吧，需要通过颜色来判别，因为看到颜色才能够推知layers of sediments.

最后，综合以上，从气势和重心上讲，感觉C表达比较的精彩。。。

作者: richardxia 时间: 2008-9-2 22:31
LS是想支持选D吧？

作者: songlovegt 时间: 2009-2-4 08:01
支持with作状语，修饰整个主句，而非仅仅修饰主语。

作者: mars_cheung 时间: 2009-8-2 19:49

我选的是 A，不过看了NN们的讨论，我觉得 D 好一点。

理由有两个，

1、have seen 虽然比 have been able to see 要简洁，不过放在这题目里，我觉得后者要好，它强调了一个“可以”的意思，“去过grand cayon 的人都可以看到……”。这样的表达要比 A 好吧。

2、colors that mark 和 colors marking 的区别。之前有NN说过 that 从句和分词修饰名词的区别就是限定性定语从句与非限定性定语从句的分别，分词相当于非限定性定语从句。如果这样看来这里用非限定性定从更好，补充说明了 colors；相比 A 的限定定从（还有不mark……的colors）要好。

NN怎么看？

PS：建议斑竹改一下这帖子的标题吧，把"大全985" 加一下，以便后人检索啊

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