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作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-11-30 15:18
标题: 天山新题20 9
9.Baker was perhaps not the most gifted soloist in the orchestra, but the conductor felt what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by the passion with which he played the music.
(A) what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(B) what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by
(C) whatever was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by
(D) whatever he lacked in technical skill was more than made up for by
(E) whatever he lacked in technical skill he more than made up by
ans:B
为什么不选D, make up for是弥补的意思，make up为化妆, B中made up by……是什么意思？

作者: donna 时间: 2003-11-30 19:50
这里是通过什么（拿什么）来弥补的意思。

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-11-30 21:24
D is the right answer

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-12-5 01:08
B中的made up好象是不对，请大家多讨论讨论。
（不好意思，我最近忙得焦头烂额，对不起人了！）

作者: cxj 时间: 2003-12-6 15:41
能不能讲讲 what 和 whatever 引导从句的区别？多谢！

作者: lizaz 时间: 2003-12-6 16:41
B是2个名词性从句的对称，说Baker 技艺上不足的比通过演奏时用激情弥补的要来的多。

作者: lizaz 时间: 2003-12-6 16:43
make up

transitive verb
1 a : to form by fitting together or assembling  *make up a train of cars*  b : to arrange typeset matter in (as pages) for printing
2 a : to combine to produce (a sum or whole)  b : CONSTITUTE, COMPOSE  *10 chapters make up this volume*
3 a : to compensate for (as a deficiency or omission)  *make up the difference in lost pay*  b : to do or take in order to correct an omission  *make up a history exam*
4 : SETTLE, DECIDE  *made up my mind to depart*
5 : to wrap or fasten up  *make the books up into a parcel*
6 a : to prepare in physical appearance for a role  b : to apply cosmetics to
7 a : INVENT, IMPROVISE  *make up a story*  b : to set in order  *rooms are made up daily*
intransitive verb
1 : to become reconciled  *quarreled but later made up*
2 a : to act ingratiatingly and flatteringly  *made up to his aunt for a new bicycle*  b : to make advances  : COURT
3 : COMPENSATE  *make up for lost time*
4 a : to put on costumes or makeup (as for a play)  b : to apply cosmetics

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-12-6 21:32
我的理解
1、what 表示 Baker 是有不足的
   whatever 表示 Baker 可能有不足，也可能没有不足，且语气更强

   如果没有前半句的 the most gifted soloist 做铺垫，选 B
   但现在为了全句语气的均衡， whatever 更合适些

2、make up语义太杂，不如 make up for 清楚单纯
   ETS 好像不喜欢含义不明确的用法

因为本题并无 ETS 的标准答案，值得切磋，欢迎探讨

作者: lizaz 时间: 2003-12-6 22:48
what 不表示 Baker啊，what was lacking in his technical skill 指他技艺上缺乏的，只是what引导的名词性从句，what引导的内容是后面的was lacking in his technical skill，而不是Baker

作者: bluestone1 时间: 2003-12-7 02:36

以下是引用lizaz在2003-12-6 22:48:00的发言：
what 不表示 Baker啊，what was lacking in his technical skill 指他技艺上缺乏的，只是what引导的名词性从句，what引导的内容是后面的was lacking in his technical skill，而不是Baker

我的表达可能不清晰，我的意思不是说 what 表示 Baker，而是说用 what 从句表明作者认为Baker 是有不足的；用 whatever 从句表明Baker 可能有不足，也可能没有不足

作者: mariezhu 时间: 2003-12-7 10:41
诶，我以前看的答案明明是D，怎么现在改成B了？
这里的make up for没有任何问题，是弥补的意思。新概念第四册关于oxford那篇文章里就有一句很好的例子：“And now benefactions and research endowments can MAKE UP FOR the change in character which the university has suffered”

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-7 11:01
i recommend choice D. the whole sentence means Baker was not the best player and he lacked technical skills, but he could make up for whatever technical skills he lacked with the passion has had. "make up for" is cruciousl for this one

作者: seanql 时间: 2003-12-7 22:28
我觉得解题关键是make up for表弥补，whatever相比what更能表达转折的强烈语气。

作者: seanql 时间: 2003-12-8 08:56
大全里给的答案是b，谁能确认一下？

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-9 21:48
我首先在what与whatever之间犹豫，因为whatever比what的语气更强，程度加重了，而这种明显的区别是不能任意改动的。觉得应该选what.
但是一看make up for有觉得应选D。
现在看了各位牛牛的分析，很有收获，但是还没讨论出一致的结果来，还请大家指教！：）

作者: dz 时间: 2003-12-9 22:10

以下是引用christinahong在2003-12-9 21:48:00的发言：
我首先在what与whatever之间犹豫，因为whatever比what的语气更强，程度加重了，而这种明显的区别是不能任意改动的。觉得应该选what.
但是一看make up for有觉得应选D。
现在看了各位牛牛的分析，很有收获，但是还没讨论出一致的结果来，还请大家指教！：）

我的理解也只有这些，不好意思了！

而且我一开始没有看make up (for)的意思，觉得what (定语）be...更顺一点，就选了B，哎，不好意思！

仔细看了大家的分析，觉得D更全面一点！

作者: ios 时间: 2003-12-10 21:35
whatever＝no matter what
更好解释：可能不是最好，但是无论是什么样的不足都可以祢补。

作者: JerryGuan 时间: 2004-3-21 17:48
此题，我选了D，但大全给的答案是B；

看了以上朋友们的讨论，发现都BD两营都有道理，还没有得出结论，继续继续，直到有一个结果才可以。

作者: snow_mountain 时间: 2004-3-21 18:58
这题我开始选D。好不容易convince myself that the correct answer is B. 昏倒。

作者: JerryGuan 时间: 2004-3-21 19:00

以下是引用bryony在2004-3-21 18:58:00的发言：
这题我开始选D。好不容易convince myself that the correct answer is B. 昏倒。

你的：“昏倒”是强转折？又转回答案D了？

作者: snow_mountain 时间: 2004-3-21 19:52

以下是引用JerryGuan在2004-3-21 19:00:00的发言：

是彻底搞不清了。我开头也是convince myself: whatever 和what 的语气不能随便改。

作者: wangdaya 时间: 2004-4-19 11:52

是彻底搞不清了。我开头也是convince myself: whatever 和what 的语气不能随便改.

现在关键是语气能否根据上下文适当更改。ETS是否会同意？

想来在今后的考试中将有提高此类逻辑思维考试难度的趋势。

个人觉得还是D好。

里面有明显转折、提高的语义在里面。B 明显有误。见Longman词典：

make‧up / ˈmeɪkʌp /
1
▶FOR YOUR FACE◀
[uncountable] coloured substances that are put on your face to improve or change your appearance
I don't usually wear much make-up . Her hair looked untidy, and she had no make-up on . I'm just putting my make-up on , then I'll be ready. girls in heavy make-up Don't you ever wear eye make-up ?
ￚsee also make up atmake1
2
▶EOPLE IN A GROUP◀
[singular] the make-up of a group or team is the combination of people that are in it
make-up of
I don't think we should change the make-up of the team.
3
▶CHARACTER◀
somebody's make-up
the qualities that a person has, which form their character
Pride has always been an important part of his make-up. somebody's genetic/psychological make-up a possible link between genetic make-up and criminal behaviour
4
▶TEST◀
[countable] also make-up test
American English a test that you take in school when you were not able to take a previous test

作者: wangdaya 时间: 2004-4-19 11:52

make up for something phrasal verb
1
to make a bad situation better, or replace something that has been lost
The team will be anxious to make up for a disappointing start to the season. I don't eat breakfast but I make up for it at lunch. The good days more than make up for the bad ones.
see usage note include
2
to have so much of one quality that it is not important that you do not have much of another one
make up for something in/with
What Jay lacked in experience, he made up for in enthusiasm. She doesn't have a natural talent but she makes up for it with hard work.
3
to do something to show that you are sorry for doing something that upset or annoyed someone
I'm sorry I was late. To make up for it, let me treat you to a meal.
4
make up for lost time
a) to work more quickly, or at times when you do not usually work, because something has prevented you from doing the work before
We rehearsed all day Saturday, to make up for lost time.
b) to do a lot of something in an eager way because you have not had a chance to do it before
Palin didn't travel much as a young man but he's certainly made up for lost time now.

作者: tony6 时间: 2004-6-12 17:00

Longman中只有make up for 有more than make up for 的用法：

The good days more than make up for the bad ones.而make up 则无此用法。

这是不是可以确定答案是D了呢？

作者: robertchu 时间: 2004-6-13 15:13

I think B is better. The first part of the sentence clearly indicates that Baker doeslack some technical skills. In thiscase, “what” is better than “whatever”, because “whatever” implies that one don’tknow for sure whether Baker lacks skills.

“make up” and “makeup” are not the same thing.

“make up for” is usually immediately followed by “someone orsomething”. In this case, there is nosomeone/something directly follows except the “by the passion”, so “make up” isfine in B.

作者: robertchu 时间: 2004-6-14 04:33
为什么我post的message总是有很多单词之间的空格disappear ? 可有高人指点一下？

作者: caterpillar 时间: 2004-7-11 04:51

这道题我怎么觉得but前后的转折关系不能成立呢？有哪位NN能给翻译一下吗？

我的理解是：Baker可能不是最有天赋的演奏家，但是指挥觉得他在演奏技巧上的欠缺超过他在演奏中的激情的补偿。既然有一个转折，好象应该是补偿超过欠缺才对呀？怎么还是欠缺超过补偿？

作者: LES 时间: 2004-7-11 09:47

以下是引用caterpillar在2004-7-11 4:51:00的发言：

这道题我怎么觉得but前后的转折关系不能成立呢？有哪位NN能给翻译一下吗？

偶也是这样理解的。根据这个理解，觉得B更好。

但是还是觉得这道题怪怪的，请NN分析一下。

作者: lost_my_account 时间: 2004-7-11 10:51

我觉得问题处在more than上。谁来解释一下，这里，more than是什么意思？

按我们的习惯是，尽管他不是个天才歌手，可是指挥认为技巧上的不足被他演唱时候充沛的情感弥补了。

但是这里不是这个意思。

作者: tony6 时间: 2004-8-1 18:20

以下是引用lost_my_account在2004-7-11 10:51:00的发言：

我觉得问题处在more than上。谁来解释一下，这里，more than是什么意思？

4楼：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=40820

作者: best555tw 时间: 2005-3-17 19:03
看了全部，我也覺得是B，因為what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by應該就是for which he was lacking in technical skill was more than made up by the passion變來的，既然使用what了，就不應再出現介係詞for

作者: wwwhahchn 时间: 2005-6-29 17:46
支持B，make up和make up for都对，但是what比whatever好

作者: z520m 时间: 2005-8-31 00:30
好像是b吧！

作者: nyc_cfa 时间: 2005-9-5 09:09
D吧，无论在技巧上有什么不足，都可以用激情来弥补。

作者: piaony 时间: 2005-9-5 11:28

我觉得还是要从出题点方面考虑，句子的意思是说 baker不是乐团里最有天赋的，但是他演奏时的激情足以祢补他在演奏技巧方面的欠缺。 but已经表示了转折whaever的出现就redundant。我觉得是在考转折，而且 make up 和make up for 的用词好像都不错。

作者: dreamerps 时间: 2005-9-17 11:36
觉得楼上MM说的有道理啊

作者: handsong 时间: 2005-12-1 15:37

答案应该是D，这里只能用make up for,不能用make up；而what和whatever之间的差别在此无关痛痒。

作者: judithxj 时间: 2006-1-31 11:41

我建议选D,原因：一，whatever 语气强烈，且感觉上受到GMAT宠爱；二，查了longman双解，make up在解释为“弥补”时，更偏向于偿还的意味；而make up for解释为“弥补”，多指用好的弥补坏的，符合此处用法。

作者: wzparete 时间: 2006-2-13 17:35
大家决不觉得E中后面的he应该是was?这样答案E就可以了，嘿嘿。这套题怪怪的

作者: livary 时间: 2006-6-10 23:05

LONGMAN:

whatever:2
used to say that it is not important what happens, what you do etc because it does not change the situation:

Look up a word starting with D or S for samples of headword or sentence pronunciations on the LDOCE CD-ROM

Whatever I suggest, he always disagrees.

The building must be saved, whatever the cost.

If you are unable to attend the interview, for whatever reason, you should inform us immediately.

所以我觉得这里应该是说无论他缺少什么skill都能被他的passion弥补

而且这里我也查到只有make up for才看到加more than的用法:

make up for something
phrasal verb

1
to make a bad situation better, or replace something that has been lost:

The team will be anxious to make up for a disappointing start to the season.

I don't eat breakfast but I make up for it at lunch.

The good days
more than make up for
the bad ones.

作者: ricee 时间: 2008-4-27 17:07

I will vote for D, because the most common meaning of "make up" is "constitue, invent or make sth fake", while "make up for" is the complete phrase to express the meaning of "compensate". Plus, whatever is logically consistent with "but", better emphasizing on the contrast between the two parts of the sentence.

作者: yzhao26 时间: 2008-4-28 11:01

what is not equal whatever,and you could not change original what to whatever.( the mean will be changed)

so, i think B is better

作者: yzhao26 时间: 2008-4-28 11:12

but & whatever overlap

作者: ricee 时间: 2008-4-28 13:24

Sorry, but how is "but" overlap with "whatever"? ls kindly explain, thx!

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作者: aegean040 时间: 2008-8-19 10:35

终于找到一个依据了，最近做CAMBRIDGE TEST，有这道题，

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作者: r6kevin 时间: 2008-8-19 13:08

答案是b没有错的.这里表示的意思的Baker的演奏很好,他tech的缺点被play时的passion盖过去了.what he lacked in his tech skills was more than made up by (what he showed in his playing). 后面的what直接用the passion代替了。

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