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标题: [求助]OG 第 31题。前面有人问过,但没人解释清楚。 [打印本页]

作者: frankliny    时间: 2003-11-28 02:15
标题: [求助]OG 第 31题。前面有人问过,但没人解释清楚。
OG 第 31题
31. Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(A)    Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(B)    Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(C)    Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree.
(D)    Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(E)    Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.

原题是全划线。答案是:D。
  OG关于E的解释:In E, “have a disinclination... while willing...” is grammatically incomplete。这一点实在不懂。while willing 之间省略了people are或they are是完全可以的,因为主语相同而谓语是be是可以省略的,而且while doing结构也是很好的结构。这里有哪一点是grammatically incomplete呢?
作者: jandj_shanghai    时间: 2003-11-28 05:36
我前面回答过了阿。
仔细看一下D和E究竟有什么不同。
D: (while they [are]) willing to ..., [are] disinclined to ....
E: [have] a disinclination to ..., while (they [are]) willing to ....

E中省略了动词are,用前面句子中的动词have补上,是不是发现不对了。
单独看E也许不能看出来,比较一下D和E就清楚了。



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作者: frankliny    时间: 2003-11-28 09:16
我前面看过你的解释,同这次一样,我认为是不对的,所以才重新问。

下面我把新东方托福高分语法上面的语法点原样摘过来:

        这种省略从句主语的方式理论上要满足以下两个条件:
       一:从句主语与主句主语必需一致。(在此满足)
       二:从句的谓语必需是be(没要求主句谓语也必需是be!),且从句主语和谓语要么同省,要么同留。

       TOEFL例句:Metals expand when (they are) heated. - 主句谓语是expand,不是be。

      GMAT 语法的一个例句:Doctors still know little about how the Listeria bacterium is spread and why the disease afflicts some people in a contaminated area while (it is)sparing many others. 在此sparing 前省略了it is, 而相对于此while从句的上一级主句的谓语是afflicts, 不是be。

    所以,我认为你的解释是不对的。在上面的OG31 的 E选项中,根本不涉及用have去补的问题。
作者: allaneli    时间: 2003-11-28 09:31
同意楼主的观点,实在看不出e 有什么错的。除了 have a disinclination 很少见。
作者: linlin315    时间: 2003-11-28 10:47
个人意见仅供哥哥参考:
我认为GMAT的语法的正确答案一定是比出来的,也就是说这个正确答案不一定是我们认为最顺眼的答案,但是他一定是这5个选项中最好的答案。就这道题来讲主要集中在D和E两个选项的比较。
我认为E单单从语法的角度来看没有问题,而D和E的主要区别就在于are disinclind to还是have a disinclination。其实这就是在考句子的简洁性问题。
看看OG其实就可以发现如果一个词它既有动词的词性又有名词的词性,ETS的正确选项一定会采用动词的形式而不去用have+n或者be+n的。因为他们认为这种用法就是啰嗦,无效的。而这道题中disinclind又要往往和be连作为动词用故选项D要优于E的。


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作者: bigcamel    时间: 2003-11-28 11:22
我的理解是:当while做连词时,有两个意思。一是“当。。时候“,另一是“然而“。在用第二个意思时(本题就是),有对比的含义,while 从句与主局最好是平行对称。如此句。
而作“党。。时候“时,则无此要求
作者: jandj_shanghai    时间: 2003-11-28 13:28
以下是引用bigcamel在2003-11-28 11:22:00的发言:
我的理解是:当while做连词时,有两个意思。一是“当。。时候“,另一是“然而“。在用第二个意思时(本题就是),有对比的含义,while 从句与主局最好是平行对称。如此句。
而作“党。。时候“时,则无此要求



我说了半天,怎么就不听呢
也怪我没说清楚,现在bigcamel说得够清楚了吧

while 当。。。时候,通常是和be+ing形式连用的,此时主语一致的话,当然可以省略be动词,已是习惯用法。
while 用作对比的时候,后面不一定是be+ing形式,而且是为了和另一句句子对比(!)。此时如果助动词不同的话,就不应该省略了,不同的地方要留下来进行对比。


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仔细又看了一下题目
呵呵be willing to do sth,此处不是be + 动词ing形式。willing是形容词。所以不是while willing,而应该是while being willing to do ...
呵呵,这下应该讲得通了吧。

现在不知道我上面的那种讲法是否仍然成立。但至少助动词不同的时候最好不要省略是成立的。



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作者: frankliny    时间: 2003-11-29 00:33
感谢大家的热心参与和帮助。
对于5楼的linlin315,同意,就比较而言,完全可以由于不简洁,排除E。但在此,我问的是OG对于E的解释:In E, “have a disinclination... while willing...” is grammatically incomplete。觉得解释不通。

对于6楼的bigcamel,不同意,在楼顶的贴里,我举的GMAT例句就是一个典型的“然而”,用while+doing 表现非常恰当的例句。

对于7楼的jandi_shanghai,你的见解还是不能同意,正如以上所说,while doing表“然而..."在GMAT,GRE 和LSAT 文章里是相当常见的一种很漂亮的结构。至于此语法点"关于从句省略,从句主语,谓语同进同出”是托福语法的比较基本的知识点,我想是没有什么异议的。至于解释,不是想尽各种方法把某一个题解释过去,而是要学到放之四海而皆准的知识点,要有法理依据。请问,你对此的解释的语法点在哪里可以找到,我能参考一下吗?
作者: jandj_shanghai    时间: 2003-11-29 03:33
hi,那么这里你是否同意这里的willing是形容词,而非动词ing形式呢?will作动词的话,表示意愿,应该是没有ing时态的,比如desire, incline。
如果同意的话,应该就可以解释为和grammatically incomplete了。因为作形容词使用的时候,即使省略主语,也必须是while being + 形容词。
作者: frankliny    时间: 2003-11-29 10:12
I'm willing to give up.
作者: jandj_shanghai    时间: 2003-11-29 11:48
以下是引用frankliny在2003-11-29 10:12:00的发言:
I'm willing to give up.

Hi,此处willing是形容词阿。
我不是说没有be + willing这种结构。而是说此时willing是形容词,不是动词ing形式。

作者: bluestone1    时间: 2003-11-29 14:12
拙见

E 中   "while willing" 就近修饰 recognize   ---- 歪曲原意



作者: almarabbit01    时间: 2004-6-12 23:24

jandj_shanghai :

Hi,此处willing是形容词阿。
我不是说没有be + willing这种结构。而是说此时willing是形容词,不是动词ing形式。

I agree with jandj_shanghai's opinion here.



作者: flywood    时间: 2004-6-30 11:01

请叫admit在GMAT中的用法,感觉挺特别的好像


作者: flywood    时间: 2004-7-1 11:43
upup
作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-1 11:56

admit that... 承认

admit sb. to do sth. 允许


作者: zengace    时间: 2004-7-22 02:41

Still about admit

The explanation says: In E, ...... admit their lack should be admit to their lack..... Why?

I looked it up in the webster:

transitive senses: to concede as true or valid <admitted making a mistake>
intransitive senses: to make acknowledgment -- used with to
I can't tell much the difference between these two and why the transitive meaning is not correct here in E?


作者: 泰格尔    时间: 2004-7-24 21:38
以下是引用jandj_shanghai在2003-11-29 3:33:00的发言:
hi,那么这里你是否同意这里的willing是形容词,而非动词ing形式呢?will作动词的话,表示意愿,应该是没有ing时态的,比如desire, incline。
如果同意的话,应该就可以解释为和grammatically incomplete了。因为作形容词使用的时候,即使省略主语,也必须是while being + 形容词。

请问在省略结构中while不能跟形容词性的成分吗?

那如何看这个句子呢:He wrote this novel while immersed in the dull life of a small town;


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作者: hpp920    时间: 2004-7-26 00:35
我的看法和frankliny, 泰格尔相同,你们现在有结果了吗?谢谢!
作者: mianmian    时间: 2004-7-27 23:59

一道四级题。19) ____ mainly for the invention of the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell devoted his life to helping the deaf.

  A) He is remembered B) While being remembered

  C) To be remembered D) Though remembered

答案:d.  看来being确实不该要


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 00:09
while being willing to
作者: mianmian    时间: 2004-7-28 09:18

我发现标对比时,while willing to do这个情况很常见,下面两个句子:

1。Amundsen, while willing to admit his mistakes, lets his fear of being beaten by Scott get the better of him, which compromises his leadership and his confidence.此句出自评论 on The Last Place on Earth , a seven-part miniseries first shown on Masterpiece Theatre in 1985. 这个句子就有点虽然承认……,可是……, 那个味道。

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所以,我虽然也是觉得道理上似乎while being willing to do更合理,可是while willing to do人家英语国家的人用得很自然啊。
可见,这题的关键很可能不在此处,我觉得倒是在于原文weak和选项e中lack的区别。没有不强区别就大了。 一家拙见。

作者: mianmian    时间: 2004-7-28 09:22

托福语法笔记:

省略方式:可以同时省略 主+系
Although(主+系),主谓宾。
连词 + (主+系) + adj/分词,SVO.
结论:although/though/even though/if/when/while/as + adj/分词,SVO. 省略主语和系动词。
ETS做的改编:第一步:省略主语。第二步:插入


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 09:27

但是书面语法要求可能更为严谨,所以象willing这样做形容词就不合适直接跟在while后,我们通常用while + doing结构,所以这里的being作为动词补出或许还是需要的,至少ETS可能是这样要求的。


作者: 泰格尔    时间: 2004-7-28 14:53
以下是引用stoneren在2004-7-28 9:27:00的发言:

但是书面语法要求可能更为严谨,所以象willing这样做形容词就不合适直接跟在while后,我们通常用while + doing结构,所以这里的being作为动词补出或许还是需要的,至少ETS可能是这样要求的。



Stoneren,如果根据这一说法,是不是要在下面这个句子中加上being才更书面化?


He wrote the novel while immersed in the dull life of a small town.


但加上being后感觉是在强调immersed这个状态正在进行之意——语感似乎不太对。因为我觉得immersed已经清楚的表达了该行为是一个状态,既然是状态就不必再强调其正在进行。


存在上述这个问题吗?


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 22:20
我认为while强调同时性,所以while doing的结构更为合理。
作者: hpp920    时间: 2004-7-29 00:17

我还是不明白这题的语法错在何处.

mianmian泰格尔的分析很对.我也赞成mianmian 说的"我觉得倒是在于原文weak和选项e中lack的区别"  但我觉着这不是语法的问题.

To Stoneren: 关于being, 我可以很肯定的说这里加being 是错的.根据我昨天研究语法书的结果, 语法书有和泰格尔惊人相似的论调.


作者: hpp920    时间: 2004-7-29 23:26

To Stoneren: 我打字不快, 就说两点吧: be是表状态的词,所以being+adj做状语通常是表原因的, 而不是表正在进行的动作(这点你可查语法书).我认为Being willing to的意思是:"由于愿意...," 而不是我们想象中的"正愿意..."的意思.加while强调它? 不通.

另一点省略原则,mianmian 讲的很清楚了.我没见过光省略主语,将is/are/etc变成 being的.

不过,对ETS,有些语法要另当别论了.

To mianmian: 你说:"ETS做的改编:第一步:省略主语。第二步:插入" 请问插入是指什么?谢谢!


作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-8-1 22:05

这种省略从句主语的方式理论上要满足以下两个条件:
       一:从句主语与主句主语必需一致。(在此满足)
       二:从句的谓语必需是be(没要求主句谓语也必需是be!),且从句主语和谓语要么同省,要么同留

所以这里的Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while many people are willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.这里从句主语和谓语同省了,所以我觉得

jandj_shanghai 的观点不正确:

hi,那么这里你是否同意这里的willing是形容词,而非动词ing形式呢?(同意,但那又有什么关系呢?!will作动词的话,表示意愿,应该是没有ing时态的,比如desire, incline
如果同意的话,应该就可以解释为和grammatically incomplete了。因为作形容词使用的时候,即使省略主语,也必须是while being + 形容词。”(这里是主谓皆省,不可以只省略主语!所以是while willing


作者: mathfin9    时间: 2004-8-2 06:21

一家之见


我个人当时这个题目也是选的E,当时也问过


我觉得如果,允许, while willing存在,不管是否willing是什么词


好象while前加个逗号好点


否则的话,while就是连词,连接状语从局



从前面有mianmian标的例子也可以看出这个特点


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作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-8-3 12:29

可是是状语从句又怎样呢?

这里省略的主语谓语也挺合适啊。


作者: goodgoodstudy    时间: 2004-8-6 05:14
以下是引用zengace在2004-7-22 2:41:00的发言:

Still about admit


The explanation says: In E, ...... admit their lack should be admit to their lack..... Why?


I looked it up in the webster:


transitive senses: to concede as true or valid <admitted making a mistake>
intransitive senses: to make acknowledgment -- used with to
I can't tell much the difference between these two and why the transitive meaning is not correct here in E?



Any NN know about this? I have same question. Thanks!
作者: leeon    时间: 2004-9-7 14:19

今天再回头研读了这道题,这里ETS的解释写的很精简,所以造成了大家理解上的误差,while willing to是可以的,while+adj也是可以的,但是这种情况存只在于while引导的从句当中,多是时间状语从句。

而此题中E的while并不是引导了一个从句,while在该句中只起一个转折连词的作用,先看这句话所表达的意思:

多数人不愿意承认他们的分析问题能力差,而他们乐于承认缺乏计算机或其它的科技技能。

while不是一个独立的句子,因为前面动词的主语是many people,所以需要一个动词,而此处的动词不能是have,需要的是are完整的结构是many people have...while are willing to...,have和are 并列,这才是完整的结构,不同于while引导的从句,后面可以省略主语和谓语be。

另外OG中还提到admit应该替换成admit to,实在是找不到这两者有何区别?还请大家指点!


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-9-7 19:10

同意我楼上的看法。

will的用法,查查字典吧。

will  verb
1[transitive] to try to make something happen by thinking about it very hard
will somebody to do something
She was willing herself not to cry.
2[transitive + to] to officially give something that you own to someone else after you die
3[intransitive and transitive] old use to want something to happen
The King wills it.

由上,此处不可能是动词。


另:admit仅供参考

LDOCE

Admit verb

1▶ACCEPT TRUTH◀
[intransitive and transitive]to agree unwillingly that something is true or that someone else is right

2▶ACCEPT BLAME◀
[intransitive and transitive]to say that you have done something wrong, especially something criminal
ᅳsynonym confess
ᅳopposite deny


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-9-8 09:09

谢谢JerryGuan!

Admit verb

1▶ACCEPT TRUTH◀
[intransitive and transitive]to agree unwillingly that something is true or that someone else is right

2▶ACCEPT BLAME◀
[intransitive and transitive]to say that you have done something wrong, especially something criminal
ᅳsynonym confess
ᅳopposite deny

这道题admit their lack也可以看成不愿意接受的事实啊!我翻遍了词典,实在找不出有什么区别。倒是看到了有admit their +N的例句!


作者: smilemm1    时间: 2004-10-7 14:09

my understanding is

1.(vt) to concede as true or valid <admitted making a mistake>
means "right / wrong"  , e.g. admit a truth/a mistake...

2.to make acknowledgment -- used with to
admit to "a fact",  e.g. admit to a lack of sth..


作者: agnesqin    时间: 2004-10-7 16:25

admit 做及物动词时,意思是认为什么是对的。


做部及物动词时,意思是承认如,承认缺乏技巧等。


作者: eSpirit    时间: 2004-10-11 23:06
以下是引用leeon在2004-9-7 14:19:00的发言:

while不是一个独立的句子,因为前面动词的主语是many people,所以需要一个动词,而此处的动词不能是have,需要的是are完整的结构是many people have...while are willing to...,have和are 并列,这才是完整的结构,不同于while引导的从句,后面可以省略主语和谓语be。

完全同意Leeon的观点。OG中解释说E是不完整的,就是因为在E中少了are
作者: hougang    时间: 2004-11-13 15:00

看了上面大家的讨论,作个小小的总结:


1,while引导时间状语从句的时候,就可以把动词省略掉,(如果主语相同的话)


eg:He is eating while watching TV.


2, 当while做“然而”解释时,由于对比感觉增强,所以,就不能省略while从句里面的动词(如果主语相同的话)


eg:He beated others while is not willing to appologize.


这是is就是不可以少的。


不知道我的理解对不对,请nn指教!谢谢


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作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-11-17 09:41
以下是引用hougang在2004-11-13 15:00:00的发言:

看了上面大家的讨论,作个小小的总结:


1,while引导时间状语从句的时候,就可以把动词省略掉,(如果主语相同的话)


eg:He is eating while watching TV.


2, 当while做“然而”解释时,由于对比感觉增强,所以,就不能省略while从句里面的动词(如果主语相同的话)


eg:He beated others while is not willing to appologize.


这是is就是不可以少的。


不知道我的理解对不对,请nn指教!谢谢



虽然我没有花更多时间去考证你的结论;但至少我发现,你的例句有些问题:

He beated others while is not willing to appologize.

这里的willing是adj.,不是V+ing ,这个词很容易混,你可以查清楚。

再给你一个例句:

I bought a magazine while I was waiting for the train.
……

我想最主要的是要看两个动作的关系来决定前后用的形式。

最后,while doing,是 while sb. do...的缩写形式。


作者: Shuaishuai    时间: 2004-11-30 17:15

到现在为止我看到的对admit最好的解释:(来自圆月弯刀之必杀G)

admit their lack should be admit to their lack

请看: transitive senses
1 a : to allow scope for : PERMIT <admits no possibility of misunderstanding> b : to concede as true or valid <admitted making a mistake>
2 : to allow entry (as to a place, fellowship, or privilege) <an open window had admitted rain> <admitted to the club>
intransitive senses1 : to give entrance or access
2 a : ALLOW, PERMIT <admits of two interpretations> b : to make acknowledgment -- used with to

这里现在可以看出用ADMIT TO了.

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=54374


作者: crystalno_1    时间: 2005-7-11 16:36

偶把这个帖子从头至尾的仔细看了一遍,发现彻底给搞糊涂了,大家的说法前后有许多矛盾之处,昏了。。。。。。。


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作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-8-4 11:43
Up Up , me too! I am very confused now.
作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-8-14 13:06
up up please~~
作者: zhuer    时间: 2005-8-18 02:33
其实已经很清楚了,OG说E选项INCOMPLETE,是因为willing前少了一个are.

一般情况,这个are可以省略,但是在这里主语是many people, 动词是个并列结构,也就是have和are的并列,如果把are省略了,并列的后半部就默认为have willing...,这明显不对,所以are不能省略。


作者: carmenleaf    时间: 2005-8-27 15:50

通看了一遍,同意leeon的意见和hougang的总结。


作者: zhidong_w    时间: 2005-8-27 17:11

个人认为E错的地方:


1)admit to sth 或admit that


2)have +动词性名词 应该改为 改为do或者be adv done


3)while being willing


作者: wingkim    时间: 2005-9-7 22:12

个人意见:


大家请留意ets的解释是“have a disinclination ......while willing is grammatically incomplete”,并不是单独说while willing is grammatically incomplete。这里单单看while willing是没有问题的,问题是跟have a disinclination一起就出现问题:while willing 和while being willing 是否应该省略be或being,原因就是大家讨论的while表转折应与have形成平行比较,不能省略谓语动词;至于应该是be还是being,个人比较倾向于are与have对应,不知是否正确。


当然假如E改成many people are disinclined to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while are willing to admit to their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.我认为就应该没有问题。(请留意画线部分修改)这里有三个改动,第一、二个改动是为了解决have a disinclination....while willing产生的语法缺失;第三个改动参考了这个连接http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=54374&id=54374&page=1&skin=0&Star=1。


以下是引用tulipmontreal在2004-6-10 16:30:00的发言:

admit their lack should be admit to their lack


请看: transitive senses
1 a : to allow scope for : PERMIT <admits no possibility of misunderstanding> b : to concede as true or valid <admitted making a mistake>
2 : to allow entry (as to a place, fellowship, or privilege) <an open window had admitted rain> <admitted to the club>
intransitive senses1 : to give entrance or access
2 a : ALLOW, PERMIT <admits of two interpretations> b : to make acknowledgment -- used with to


这里现在可以看出用ADMIT TO了.


另外也参考了金山词霸里面的解释,只有“容纳”的意思只是及物动词,其他意思都可以是及物和不及物。


这里是否可以认为除了几个比较固定的搭配如admit mistake/defeat等外,ets可能认为其他情况加上to比较清晰吧。


请大家指正。


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作者: afei    时间: 2005-10-11 20:49
矛盾太多悬而未决。
作者: seraphblue    时间: 2005-10-13 11:03
.............
作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-13 15:41

for E now i finally got it...


however, as to "admit", here's the notes i have from a famous GMAT teacher :


1. He admits Being ignorant of it.


2. He admits to Being ignorant of it.


3. He admits to be ignorant of it. (X)


4. She admitted to the crime/shoplifting


老师说前两个都对, 就是3不对。。。


大家帮帮忙套论吧!


作者: jennysxjing    时间: 2005-10-20 13:36

admit的用法:


1, admit (that)


2, admit to sb.(or sth.)


3, admit to doing sth.


你的句子:


1. He admits (that he) Being ignorant of it.  符合第1种


2. He admits to Being ignorant of it.   符合第3种


3. He admits to be ignorant of it. (X)


to后要跟doing形式


4. She admitted to the crime/shoplifting  符合第2种


不知道对不对哈。


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作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-21 19:37

yeah I think it's very clear now. Admit to + noun for sure (from OG)


Thanks jennysxjing


作者: hitlzc    时间: 2005-12-17 17:38
晕!
作者: findjuhl    时间: 2006-6-30 21:16

看了这么多例句,我觉得只能两个原因E的while willing to错,

1、while前面缺少一个逗号

2、GMAT的解释错了

While not ideal, they were superior to those in other parts of the world.

这个例句是GMAT的阅读的一句话。和各位楼主的解释都矛盾,while表示了转折,而且省略了ther were.


作者: sam1981    时间: 2006-8-2 16:41

同意shanghai mm


作者: sam1981    时间: 2006-8-2 16:42

同意shanghai mm


作者: shanj    时间: 2006-9-29 19:02

 while conj,

1 当 ...时  时间状语从句  主语相同,谓语为be可同时省略

              主语相同,谓语为一般动词,则动词变为分词

  形式: 主句,while+ -ing/a.    

2 而,然而  表对比转折  主语谓语动词不管怎样都不能省,应该完整写出 while they are willing........

3 虽然    表让步  从大全的例子和前人举的好多例子看,让步是可以省略主语和谓语动词的,这是与2表对比转           折最大的区别 请别迷惑2和3


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作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-9-11 21:50
以下是引用zhuer在2005-8-18 2:33:00的发言:
其实已经很清楚了,OG说E选项INCOMPLETE,是因为willing前少了一个are.

一般情况,这个are可以省略,但是在这里主语是many people, 动词是个并列结构,也就是have和are的并列,如果把are省略了,并列的后半部就默认为have willing...,这明显不对,所以are不能省略。

严重同意! 终于明白!


作者: tigercaiqun    时间: 2008-3-1 08:01
以下是引用shanj在2006-9-29 19:02:00的发言:

 while conj,

1 当 ...时  时间状语从句  主语相同,谓语为be可同时省略

              主语相同,谓语为一般动词,则动词变为分词

  形式: 主句,while+ -ing/a.    

2 而,然而  表对比转折  主语谓语动词不管怎样都不能省,应该完整写出 while they are willing........

3 虽然    表让步  从大全的例子和前人举的好多例子看,让步是可以省略主语和谓语动词的,这是与2表对比转折最大的区别 请别迷惑2和3


还是这个比较全面


作者: carriemo    时间: 2008-7-27 14:12

对的,OG11里面E的解释里没有出现说要用admit to这个用法了。

研究了一下longman对admit的解释,觉得ETS去掉这个解释是有理由的。

ad‧mit
   
1accept truthto agree unwillingly that something is true or that someone else is right:
用法有:
  admit (that) :e.g.You may not like her, but you have to admit that she's good at her job.
  admit to somebody (that) : e.g. Paul admitted to me that he sometimes feels jealous of my friendship with Stanley.
  admit (to) doing something : e.g. Dana admitted feeling hurt by what I had said.
2accept blame :  to say that you have done something wrong, especially something criminal
   
用法有:
  admit doing something :e.g.Greene admitted causing death by reckless driving.
  admit to (doing) something : e.g.A quarter of all workers admit to taking time off when they are not ill.
可以看到,如果按照OG10的说法要用admit to 这种用法的话,唯一符合的是admit to (doing) sth,也就是admit to their (being) lack of...
但是从句意来看,不能说people是认罪,认错,只能说是不情愿地承认一个事实,因此不可能是accep blame里面的用法,也就不可能是用admit to了。
不知道这样的理解有没有错误?总之ETS是去掉了这个解释。

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作者: phyroc    时间: 2008-9-20 12:54
以下是引用jandj_shanghai在2003-11-29 3:33:00的发言: hi,那么这里你是否同意这里的willing是形容词,而非动词ing形式呢?will作动词的话,表示意愿,应该是没有ing时态的,比如desire, incline。如果同意的话,应该就可以解释为和grammatically incomplete了。因为作形容词使用的时候,即使省略主语,也必须是while being + 形容词。

请问在省略结构中while不能跟形容词性的成分吗?

那如何看这个句子呢:He wrote this novel while immersed in the dull life of a small town;

同问同问??


作者: Xunan    时间: 2008-10-9 21:25
以下是引用jandj_shanghai在2003-11-29 3:33:00的发言:
hi,那么这里你是否同意这里的willing是形容词,而非动词ing形式呢?will作动词的话,表示意愿,应该是没有ing时态的,比如
desire, incline。如果同意的话,应该就可以解释为和grammatically
incomplete了。因为作形容词使用的时候,即使省略主语,也必须是while being + 形容词。

绝对正解``激动的顶一个

作者: newjoshkao    时间: 2008-10-20 17:33

表達Contrast時,可用
            bu
tyet
            

            althoug
hwhile

  

  Butyet
            
左右連結的是相當、平等的概念,

  althoughwhile左右連接的是一個主要概念和一個次要概念。

  由句意來判斷語意邏輯上該用哪一個來表達,同一個句子中不可同時用but/yet although

   例如,….primarily….., although/ while they supplement….

            (主要)                  (附屬)… 故用although/ while 較合語意邏輯

   

(1) Although / while 引導的附屬子句,必須有主詞和完整的動詞,不可省略任一。

                        (while當contrast時, 是做為附屬連接詞, 必須引導完整的主詞和動詞)

(2) Althoughwhile 引導的子句,和主要子句在語氣(主、被動)以及句子結構上必須平行對稱。

注意:所以E選項說用 while willing 是不完整的結構, 因為缺了主詞和動詞

而D選項的willing, 是 Many people, who are willing to..., (或著,Many people, who will to..., )

的"非限定形容詞子句"省略之後變成分詞構句 (Many people, willing to..., ) 用來補充形容people, 這裡跟 while的用法沒有關係.

will 查字典,只有 助動詞、動詞的用法,沒有形容詞的用法。

至於while當 時間(當...的時候)的表示時,主、動詞是否可以省略的原則如下:

當 由「從屬連接詞」引導的「副詞子句」,其主詞和動詞與主要子句裡的主詞和動詞相同時,省略主、動詞之後就變成「省略副詞子句」。但是如果主、動詞是不同的,則省略之後會造成句意不清,要避免

 

例一,Men and women still experience some of the effects of a divorce
                        that occurred when they were children. (O)

Men and women still experience some of the effects of a divorce
                        that occurred when child. (X)
à
                    
省略主、動詞之後,變成when引導的子句其主詞是 a divorce.

變成 a divorce that occurred when a divorce was a child.

例二,The bank holds $3 billion in
                        
loans that are seriously delinquent or in such trouble that it(the bank)
                        
does not expect payments to be made when they are due. (O)

如果when引導的副詞子句中,省略了they are,變成
                        when due
,就會變成 when (the bank is) due,會導致句意邏輯的錯誤。

 


作者: 5m21    时间: 2008-10-30 08:06

看完就是一个字,晕啊。。

不过我还是想问问,C 哪错了?

而且如果按前面说的wil没有-ing分词形式的话,那在正确选项D中的willing也是形容词了?做什么成分?形容词做同位语修饰people?有这么用的吗?


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作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-11-11 00:14
以下是引用zhuer在2005-8-18 2:33:00的发言:
其实已经很清楚了,OG说E选项INCOMPLETE,是因为willing前少了一个are.

一般情况,这个are可以省略,但是在这里主语是many people, 动词是个并列结构,也就是have和are的并列,如果把are省略了,并列的后半部就默认为have willing...,这明显不对,所以are不能省略。

我看了OG11-9,又推翻了这个观点...人家是有逗号隔开的
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-11-11 00:18
以下是引用shanj在2006-9-29 19:02:00的发言:

 while conj,

1 当 ...时  时间状语从句  主语相同,谓语为be可同时省略

              主语相同,谓语为一般动词,则动词变为分词

  形式: 主句,while+ -ing/a.    

2 而,然而  表对比转折  主语谓语动词不管怎样都不能省,应该完整写出 while they are willing........

3 虽然    表让步  从大全的例子和前人举的好多例子看,让步是可以省略主语和谓语动词的,这是与2表对比转           折最大的区别 请别迷惑2和3

关于第三点:但是OG11-9里说让步也不能省


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-11-11 00:22

9.     Sunspots, vortices of gas associated with strong electromagnetic activity, are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on the Sun’s poles or equator.

(A) are visible as dark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on

(B) are visible as dark spots that never have been sighted on the surface of the Sun

(C) appear on the surface of the Sun as dark spots although never sighted at

(D) appear as dark spots on the surface of the Sun, although never having been sighted at

(E) appear as dark spots on the Sun’s surface, which have never been sighted on

这道题里面OG11-9同时说了CD里面的although都是应该引导一个主谓完整的从句的,也即不能省略主谓。但是可以看出来C才是真正的状从省略,而D并没有省略谓语。所以C,D对于although从句的错误并不相同。

 

28.   (26003-!-item-!-188;#058&002229)  

Polio, although it is eradicated in the United States, it continues elsewhere and is able to be brought into the country by visitors.

E
(A) Polio, although it is eradicated in the United States, it continues elsewhere and is able to be
(B) Polio, although eradicated in the United States, it still continues elsewhere and can be
(C) Although still continuing elsewhere, polio has been eradicated in the United States and could be
(D) Although having been eradicated in the United States, polio still continues elsewhere and is capable of being
(E) Although eradicated in the United States, polio continues elsewhere and could be

31. Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(A) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(B) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(C) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree.
(D) Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(E) Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.

好吧,到此位置,暂下定论:

逗号决定了要不要补出

如果有逗号那么就可以省略

如果没有逗号那就需要补出

28.   (26003-!-item-!-188;#058&002229)  

Polio, although it is eradicated in the United States, it continues elsewhere and is able to be brought into the country by visitors.

E
(A) Polio, although it is eradicated in the United States, it continues elsewhere and is able to be
(B) Polio, although eradicated in the United States, it still continues elsewhere and can be
(C) Although still continuing elsewhere, polio has been eradicated in the United States and could be
(D) Although having been eradicated in the United States, polio still continues elsewhere and is capable of being
(E) Although eradicated in the United States, polio continues elsewhere and could be

31. Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(A) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, there is a disinclination on the part of many people to recognize the degree to which their analytical skills are weak.
(B) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, which they admit they lack, many people are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(C) Unlike computer skills or other technical skills, analytical skills bring out a disinclination in many people to recognize that they are weak to a degree.
(D) Many people, willing to admit that they lack computer skills or other technical skills, are disinclined to recognize that their analytical skills are weak.
(E) Many people have a disinclination to recognize the weakness of their analytical skills while willing to admit their lack of computer skills or other technical skills.

好吧,到此位置,暂下定论:

逗号决定了要不要补出

如果有逗号那么就可以省略

如果没有逗号那就需要补出


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作者: ruirui_hsu    时间: 2008-11-11 11:56

其实,这个题很容易排除 A B C

在D和E中,用一种经验的总结规律就可以排除E。

That is, ....,are [disinclined] to recognize ... 和 Many people have a [disinclination] to recognize ...一比较就会看出,一个用的是【动词】而另一用的是【名词】。Gmat在有些题就是在遵循使用动词比使用名词更简洁的原则。所以,选用动词优于选用名词。因此答案自然选E了.


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2009-1-18 20:39

大全95.        Although some officials noted that using machines for farming in China costs more than traditional hand cultivation, the mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while the previous year’s costs were cut in half.

(A) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while the previous year’s costs were cut in half

(B) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while cutting costs to half those of the previous year

(C) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield as cost were cut to half of the previous year’s

(D) farming mechanization in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield as it cut in half the previous year’s costsB

 (E) farming mechanization in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while costs were cut to half that of the previous year

可见,while表比较不能省略的理论是错误的。

我想关键的还是be+adj.和be+prep.结构就不能省吧。


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作者: fightbear    时间: 2009-2-18 20:19
以下是引用lcy19812000在2009-1-18 20:39:00的发言:

大全95.        Although some officials noted that using machines for farming in China costs more than traditional hand cultivation, the mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while the previous year’s costs were cut in half.

(A) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while the previous year’s costs were cut in half

(B) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while cutting costs to half those of the previous year

(C) mechanization of farming in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield as cost were cut to half of the previous year’s

(D) farming mechanization in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield as it cut in half the previous year’s costsB

 (E) farming mechanization in the village of Long Bow doubled the corn yield while costs were cut to half that of the previous year

可见,while表比较不能省略的理论是错误的。

我想关键的还是be+adj.和be+prep.结构就不能省吧。


这个例子while引导时间状语,lz的题while表示转折。while+时间状语省略是ets里的常态。






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