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作者: bullfrog    时间: 2007-7-20 13:28
标题: 在选校前值得一看的好文!

Go to MBA where the banks go to hire

Oct 29 2004
        
By Sarah Butcher
    

Some things are a non-starter. Paying thousands to study a Masters in Business Administration (MBA) that will do little to improve your career prospects is one of them.

There are over 1,300 universities, business schools and management colleges offering MBA programs. But investment banks typically recruit 70% or more of their MBA hires from just 10 to 15 top global institutions. If you attend one of the 1,285 not on their target list, your money could prove ill-spent.

'We have 10 or 12 schools that we visit proactively in the U.S.,' says one Wall Street recruiter in New York. 'They account for 60-70% of our hires.'

Wall Street banks hang back when it comes to going on the record with the schools they target. But in conversations with recruiters the same targets crop up again and again: Wharton (University of Pennsylvania), Columbia, Harvard, Chicago, MIT Sloan, Stanford, and to a lesser extent Michigan, Cornell, Kellogg, NYU Stern, Darden and UC Berkeley.

European investment banking recruiters are just as choosy. Most draw a proportion of MBA entrants from the top US schools, and in Europe they all visit the same haunts. Barclays Capital, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America all favour the same three European business schools: London Business School, Insead and IESE. Only BarCap ventures further afield by targeting students at Manchester Business School, HEC in France and the Rotterdam School of Management.

MBA students at targeted schools have two main advantages: alumni and college visits. Former students of favoured schools encourage banks to continue hiring from their alma mater: 'We don't go to a school like Duke because we don't have a history of hiring there,' says Kristina Peters, regional head of campus recruiting for the Americas at Deutsche Bank.

Top schools are deluged with visits from banking recruiters. 'This year we've got Bank of America, Barclays Capital, Bear Stearns, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers and Royal Bank of Scotland attending our careers forum', says Kathleen Dolan, director of MBA career services at IESE.

The inevitable outcome of all this attention is that banks often hire multiple students from preferred schools. Take MIT Sloan, where 24% of the class of 2002 went into investment banking: ten students went to Merrill Lynch, nine to Goldman Sachs and six to Citigroup.

So what are the chances of becoming an investment banking associate if you are part way through an MBA at the University of Southern California or Lancaster University Management School? Not great. 'If you're not at a target school you should be in the top 5% of your class,' says one US recruiter.

But don't discount the possibility of getting hired entirely. Banks are opportunists: they will always consider applications from transparently talented candidates, no matter which school they've attended. Goldman Sachs has been known to employ alumni of the Cox Business School at the Southern Methodist University in Texas and the Carroll School of Management at Boston College.

Tom Wilson, director of campus recruiting for global markets and investment banking at Merrill Lynch, says the bank's strategy involves building long-term relationships with a diverse pool of high-caliber candidates. If you aren't at a top business school, it will help if you have someone to champion your cause: 'Great hires may come from the work of a single dedicated alum - or a referral from a professor or client,' says Wilson.

Nevertheless, recruiters admit in private that attending a targeted school can more than tip the scales. 'It's a big advantage,' says one. 'It's where we get most of our students.'


作者: asupls    时间: 2007-7-20 14:41
好文,完全同意!!!thanks for sharing
作者: inseadsh    时间: 2007-7-20 14:48
Thanks for sharing, but i'm afraid some Dukies may have some different voices. hehe.
作者: fayer    时间: 2007-7-20 23:35

It's reasonable for both IB recruiters and MBAers. For IB recruiters, with limited energy and money, to select applicants from Top B-school pool is pretty sensible and efficient. For MBAers, with talent in IB world, you can also have the chance to catch the eyes of recruiters.

A good article; tell us the reality and the opportunity.

  


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作者: Friskies    时间: 2007-7-21 03:15

这篇文章告诉我们如果想进wall street的i-bank,成本最低的办法就是上NYU stern.


作者: lwscat    时间: 2007-7-22 11:51

Does it mean that it's no use studying MBA ranked after 20?


作者: x_vampire    时间: 2007-7-22 22:14

Though investment bank is good choice for MBA,i don't think that every one desire working in it. So don't too disappointment if you are not in top 20.


作者: perfectbeam    时间: 2007-7-22 23:27
I think it depends how you will define "use" or "no use". Try the best and get what you deserve. There will be no regret. hehe

作者: bullfrog    时间: 2007-7-24 12:31
标题: 公司喜欢在哪所学校招生

我任意各找了三所排名分别在前十,前二十,前三十的学校。你会发现不仅公司不同,而且就算同一家公司在不同的学校出现他的招生比率也不同。不同公司侧重不同类型的学校。在选校时一定得搞清楚。看一下你报考的学校进你心仪的公司的比率是多少。

Top 10

MIT Sloan Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:

Full-time MBA students776

FirmGraduates Hired
1. McKinsey26
2. Boston Consulting Group11
3. Bain & Co.10
4. IBM8
5. Citigroup6
6. Raytheon5
7. Intel4
8. Monitor Group4
9. Thomson Corp4
10. Amazon.com3
11. Microsoft3
12. Booz-Allen Hamilton3
13. Deutsche Bank3
14. Morgan Stanley3
15. Lehman Brothers3

Chicago Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students1,088

FirmGraduates Hired
1. McKinsey & Company, Inc21
2. Citigroup17
3. Credit Suisse First Boston Corp15
4. Deutsche Bank15
5. Lehman Brothers14
6. Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc.13
7. Bain & Company, Inc.10
8. The Boston Consulting Group10
9. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.9
10. Morgan Stanley8
11. UBS Investment Bank8
12. A.T. Kearney, Inc.7
13. Bear, Stearns & Co., Inc.6
14. Deloitte6
15. Goldman, Sachs & Co.6

Kellogg Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students1,250

FirmGraduates Hired
1. McKinsey and Company38
2. Boston Consulting Group16
3. General Electric12
4. Johnson and Johnson12
5. A.T. Kearney8
6. Microsoft6
7. Morgan Stanley6
8. United Airlines6
9. American Express5
10. Goldman Sachs and Co.5
11. Booz Allen Hamilton5
12. Target Corporation5
13. Deutsche Bank4
14. General Mills4
15. Warner Brothers Entertainment4

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Top 10-20

Cornell Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students544

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Citigroup11
2. Johnson & Johnson11
3. Deloitte Consulting8
4. American Express6
5. General Electric6
6. Honeywell6
7. Pfizer6
8. IBM5
9. Unilever5
10. Avaya4
11. Kraft Foods4
12. Lehman Brothers4
13. UBS4
14. A.T. Kearney3
15. Deutsche Bank3

Duke Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students806

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Johnson & Johnson11
2. Brunswick Corporation7
3. Deloitte Consulting6
4. Eli Lilly Company6
5. Goldman Sachs & Company5
6. Citigroup5
7. Mckinsey & Company5
8. Lehman Brothers4
9. Merrill Lynch4
10. Dell Inc.4
11. Dupont Company4
12. Proctor & Gamble4
13. BoozAllen Hamilton3
14. D&B3
15. General Mills3

UT Austin Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students712

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Dell21
2. Deloitte Consulting9
3. Frito-Lay6
4. Johnson & Johnson6
5. UBS6
6. Citibank5
7. HEB5
8. IBM5
9. American Airlines4
10. Samsung4
11. SBC Communications4
12. Capital One3
13. Exelon3
14. General Mills; Procter & Gamble3
15. Prudential Capital; Standard & Poor's3

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Top 20-30

Notre Dame Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Total graduate business students699

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Johnson & Johnson5
2. IBM5
3. FTI Consulting4
4. PriceWaterhouse Coopers4
5. AVAYA3
6. Bank of America3
7. Bearing Point3
8. General Electric3
9. Kraft Foods Inc.3
10. Ford Motor Company2
11. Discover Financial2
12. Deloitte & Touche2
13. KPMG2
14. K Mart2
15. Target Corporation2

Southern California Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students599

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Wells Fargo9
2. Deloitte7
3. Walt Disney Company6
4. Mattel5
5. Procter & Gamble4
6. Toyota Motor Sales4
7. KPMG4
8. Bank of America3
9. SBC3
10. Matshushita Avionics3
11. Guidant2
12. L'Oreal2
13. Nestle2
14. Ernst & Young2
15. MetLife2

Purdue Top 15 recruiting firms that hired the most graduates in 2003:
Full-time MBA students281

FirmGraduates Hired
1. Eaton3
2. Ford3
3. IBM3
4. Procter & Gamble3
5. Raytheon3
6. United Technologies3
7. Air Products2
8. American Axle2
9. Eli Lilly2
10. General Electric2
11. Guidant2
12. Honeywell2
13. Johnson & Johnson2
14. Liberty Mutual2
15. NCR; Philip Morris; Eureka2


作者: nnm    时间: 2007-7-24 20:51
ha,LS, great work...
作者: zacharyzhang    时间: 2007-7-25 15:55

Top corp hire people from top school, that's always true.  But that doesn't mean other schools are useless.  It's depends on what you want from MBA program. 


作者: 谈股论金    时间: 2007-8-8 13:32
it may also depend on whether we get ready for the fight for good job vacancies
作者: nnm    时间: 2007-9-1 11:37

you may also consider INSEAD if you are targeting at consulting and IB

INSEAD Job Placement (Data from BusinessWeek 2006 MBA Profile)

Top 15 Recruiters (这里列出的已经是266placement, 而不是offer)

Names of the top 15 recruiting firms (i.e., hired the most number of graduates in past 12 months) and the number of full-time MBAs hired:

McKinsey & Company hired 74

The Boston Consulting Group hired 40

Bain & Company hired 30

Deutsche Bank hired 18

Booz Allen Hamilton hired 13

Roland Berger hired 12

Barclays Capital hired 11

Google hired 11

Credit Suisse hired 10

BT Group hired 9

LEK Consulting hired 9

Eli Lilly hired 8

Lehman Brothers hired 7

Jonhson & Jonhson hired 7

Samsung hired 7


作者: redwavezheng    时间: 2007-9-1 13:07
Not so accurate, but helpful.
作者: alexwithibt    时间: 2007-9-1 15:10

谢谢.






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