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标题: OG 141 题目有误,限定从句 [打印本页]

作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-11-23 10:59
标题: OG 141 题目有误,限定从句
141. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.
Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
In A and B, the phrases beginning Unlike... and Besides... modify patients, the subject of the main clause; thus A absurdly states that Unlike transplants ..., patients... must take ... drugs, and B that all patients except for transplants... must take ... drugs. In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical. In E, the construction Other than transplants..., all patients ... must take... drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients are transplants. Choice C, the best answer, solves these problems by using a clause introduced by Unless to describe the exception to the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.

OG的解释:In B and D the expression identical twins with the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs are genetically identical. 是说WITH是特指,可用WHOSE从句,是用泛指,是吗?

谢谢。





作者: bigcamel    时间: 2003-11-23 23:45
有点这个意思,但不准确。用whose从句表达了identical twins所共有的特征。而用with表达的意思是有此 特征的identical twins。两者意思完全不同




作者: gemj    时间: 2003-11-24 00:31
好象不是特指与泛指的区别吧?
我的理解是,介词短语与从句修饰的意思不一样:
twins with the same genetic endowment
翻成汉语的意思是:具有相同基因构成的同卵双胞胎。
言外之意是还有“不具有相同基因构成的同卵双胞胎。”


involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
的意思是:涉及同卵双胞胎,而(同卵双胞胎)具有相同基因构成。
也就是定语从句是对其修饰对象的解释,而非限定。
或者说定语从句是与其修饰对象可以划等号,而介词短语却不可以。

作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-11-24 12:33
以下是引用gemj在2003-11-24 0:31:00的发言:

或者说定语从句是与其修饰对象可以划等号,而介词短语却不可以。



gemj,这个能讲讲吗?我一直不明白定语从句与介词短语在修饰上有什么区别啊?谢谢。
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-11-24 15:20
这是我上面说的区别啊。
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-11-26 12:11
是这样啊,我明白了。谢谢GEMJ。
作者: christinahong    时间: 2003-12-6 23:53
D.Aside from 引导的短语与所修饰对象是否必须要比较对等,它的中文意思是什么?
请教牛牛!
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-12-7 00:05
在这里的中文意思是“除了”的意思,
似乎不需要与所修饰对象必须要比较对等:
Apart from
also aside from American English
1
except for
We didn't see anyone all day, apart from a couple of kids on the beach.
Apart from the ending, it's a really good film.
see usage note except 1
2
as well as
Apart from his earnings as a football coach, he also owns and runs a chain of sports shops.
Quite apart from the cost, we need to think about how much time the job will take.
作者: Snazzy    时间: 2003-12-7 02:05
i think choice C is right simply becasue there r 2 different subjects in this sentence: transplants and all patients
作者: gmatchenaimin    时间: 2003-12-7 15:06
其实是限定性修饰 和 非限定性修饰的区别
所谓限定性修饰, 有定语从句, 分词短语, 介词短语等, 特证是和被修饰的对象紧连没有逗号隔开. 功能是限定被修饰对象
如: identical twins with the same genetic endowment: 具有相同基因特性的双胞胎

非限定性修饰, 有同位语从句, 非限定性定语从句, 名词短语等, 特佂是一定有逗号隔开, 功能是对被修饰对象起说明解释作用, 可以去掉非限定性修饰而不影响要表达的主要意思.
如上面的例子:Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same: 与双胞胎之间的器官移植不同, (他们具有相同的基因特征), ......

所以有泛指和特指之说







作者: atasl    时间: 2003-12-11 17:22
对这道题我不解的就在于此。ets明明说C中:“a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.” 可在C中的“who have..." 之前根本没逗号,没逗号能叫”nonrestrictive clause”吗?是不是印刷错误?
作者: bluestone1    时间: 2003-12-19 02:49
同样的疑问。 ETS 真糙蛋,怎么说都行。

另我总结:
句首 用 except for ; aside from; 和一些介词短语如 on the basis of 引导的名词不需要与主句主语对等;
而 Besides; other than; like; unlike 则必须对等

请批评指正
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-2-21 16:01
为什么ETS的解释说选项C的who引导的从句是非限制性的? who前面没有逗号啊。谁能解释atasl的问题?
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作者: flora_wang    时间: 2004-2-23 08:13
以下是引用atasl在2003-12-11 17:22:00的发言:
对这道题我不解的就在于此。ets明明说C中:“a    nonrestrictive    clause    beginning    with    who    to    describe    the    characteristic    attributed    to    all    identical    twins.”    可在C中的“who    have..."    之前根本没逗号,没逗号能叫”nonrestrictive    clause”吗?是不是印刷错误?


记得有个帖子讲过这个问题. 好像ets说的nonrestrictive/ restrictive和我们语法老师曾经讲的不是一个意思. 好像ets是从意思上头来区分的, 不光是从形式上的有没有逗号.但是这个倒是符合我们的认识.....真是在ets的语法哩变态了.....看看这个:


234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.


(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye


(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible


(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it


(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible


(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible


Choice A, the best answer, is clear, idiomatic, and grammatically correct. In B, the misplaced participial phrase making it invisible modifies eye rather than wavelength, thus producing a confusing statement that distorts the meaning. In C, D, and E the use of the second it is so imprecise as to be confusing. Furthermore, in D, and thus invisible incorrectly modifies wavelength rather than infrared radiation. Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive “which” is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 millimeters are too long for the eye to register.


作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-2 15:05
标题: [求助]ETS对限制性定语从句与非限制性定语从句的定义
141. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

(A) Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same

(B) Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment




(C) Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment




(D) Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment



(E) Other than transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same




以下是引用atasl在2003-12-11 17:22:00的发言:
对这道题我不解的就在于此。ets明明说C中:“a    nonrestrictive    clause    beginning    with    who    to    describe    the    characteristic    attributed    to    all    identical    twins.”    可在C中的“who    have..."    之前根本没逗号,没逗号能叫”nonrestrictive    clause”吗?是不是印刷错误?

以下是引用flora_wang在2004-2-23 8:13:00的发言:

记得有个帖子讲过这个问题. 好像ets说的nonrestrictive/ restrictive和我们语法老师曾经讲的不是一个意思. 好像ets是从意思上头来区分的, 不光是从形式上的有没有逗号.但是这个倒是符合我们的认识.....真是在ets的语法哩变态了.....看看这个:

234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.
(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye
(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible
(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it
(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible
(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible



Choice A, the best answer, is clear, idiomatic, and grammatically correct. In B, the misplaced participial phrase making it invisible modifies eye rather than wavelength, thus producing a confusing statement that distorts the meaning. In C, D, and E the use of the second it is so imprecise as to be confusing. Furthermore, in D, and thus invisible incorrectly modifies wavelength rather than infrared radiation. Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive “which” is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 millimeters are too long for the eye to register.






求助NN,ETS对限制性定语从句和非限制性定语从句到底是怎么定义的!!!谢谢!



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作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-2 21:32
我想还是从逗号来区分限定和非限定比较简单。ETS的“自相矛盾”搞不懂的就先不去管它。


Unless the transplant involves identical twins


    who have the same genetic endowment


我认为who前可能是少了个逗号,从印刷的排版位置上看,这种可能性是存在的。


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-4-12 12:41
以下是引用atasl在2003-12-11 17:22:00的发言:
对这道题我不解的就在于此。ets明明说C中:“a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.” 可在C中的“who have..." 之前根本没逗号,没逗号能叫”nonrestrictive clause”吗?是不是印刷错误?


我确认是印刷错误!
作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-29 15:12

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.


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作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-29 16:03
哗,太棒了,MM真执着!向你致敬!
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-29 17:38

能和ETS联系。佩服!!


作者: jetrong    时间: 2004-5-2 16:23
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.



GOOD!

佩服。。。。。。


作者: vincent0330    时间: 2004-5-2 22:28
太nn了....
作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-3 10:14
别再说啦,偶会觉得不好意思的,

是这里的NN们让偶确信是ETS的错,所以才敢写信给ETS的。

作者: cocoabean    时间: 2004-5-4 12:27
LES功不可没也, 终于解决拉个大难题, 也谢谢flora-wang的重大发现.
作者: cmtn    时间: 2004-5-21 07:11
ding again
作者: 日本王八    时间: 2004-5-21 08:58

WOW, WOW, WOW, I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE IT. GOOD LES MM.


作者: egretxm    时间: 2004-5-22 00:16

照着楼上的说法非限定修饰一定有逗号隔开, 可是C中
Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
这个who.... 从意义上说是非限定, OG的解释也说是非限定, 但又没有逗号啊?


作者: X_TonY_X    时间: 2004-5-22 11:53

That's AWESOME.

Did you tell them you guys are Chinese?


作者: whitedeer    时间: 2004-5-22 12:43

作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-22 12:43
Ask me?

I told them I am a Chinese girl living in Shanghai.
作者: rt316    时间: 2004-6-17 23:31
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.




多谢,小老乡。
作者: 泰格尔    时间: 2004-7-25 15:10

看到这个贴让人精神为之一振!困惑也一扫而光!


LES, GMAT这封回信值得保留哟!


作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-8-18 17:46
好帖子!!!
作者: toynbee    时间: 2004-8-18 23:04
哇...我们CD的人都太强了,N啊!
作者: lxy128    时间: 2004-8-20 16:05
请问E的错误是逻辑主语的错误吗? OG上的解释:In E, the construction
Other than transplants..., all patients ... must take... drugs illogically suggests, as in B, that some patients
are transplants. 看不懂?请NN指点。
作者: LES    时间: 2004-8-21 23:36
other than 连接的比较对象要对称。
作者: bloodcherry    时间: 2004-8-23 23:13
太强了,拜服
作者: byebyelove    时间: 2004-10-1 17:08

请问 besides 连接的比较对象要对称吗?

3Q!


作者: LES    时间: 2004-10-1 17:26
以下是引用byebyelove在2004-10-1 17:08:00的发言:

请问 besides 连接的比较对象要对称吗?


3Q!


要的,可以参考OG241。


作者: xionghuixh    时间: 2004-10-17 14:44
那为什么:c 中用who 来进一步说明,是非限定的定于从句。他前面并没有逗号隔开!!!!!!!!
作者: xionghuixh    时间: 2004-10-17 15:00
i got it
作者: superstar    时间: 2004-11-3 10:53
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.




太强了,令吾等信心大增!! 誓将ETS睬到底!!


作者: wendywheel    时间: 2004-11-27 07:25

Awesome LES!  Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


作者: fbfamous    时间: 2004-11-30 22:41
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.



请问为什么不把这个帖子发出来置顶???完全鼓舞士气啊!!!

本来熬个通宵复习有点累了,可是现在巨来劲!!

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作者: tuzq    时间: 2005-2-28 00:29

hehe,牛 LES。

真想找遍所有OG的错误(其实里面肯定还有很多错误的),然后给每个b-school一份,让他们看看GMAT分数有啥好看的。给后来人造福。


作者: shashaxz    时间: 2005-4-14 10:35

真是牛啊。

佩服精益求精的精神。

美国人服务真的是差,他们难道不知道正式release前,要review一下吗,看来普林斯顿也不够严谨啊。


作者: remona9t    时间: 2005-6-20 22:32
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.



见过n的,没见过这么n的!!!


作者: advantage    时间: 2005-6-26 06:33

多谢LES啦


作者: milanforever    时间: 2005-11-21 05:54
太崇拜了。直接与高层对话, 比咱们关起门来讨论来得快!
作者: yizhoujiang    时间: 2006-2-2 08:53
肃静!敬礼!五叩首!
作者: FionaLiang    时间: 2006-5-9 22:57

第二次看到这样的帖子,真让人激动!


顶上来,再让多些人看看!让多些人受受鼓舞!!


作者: xiongc    时间: 2006-7-25 12:00
ddddddddddd
作者: sendme    时间: 2006-8-11 12:44

Typo, confirmed by ETS! Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.

My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is entirely justified: there is a printing error in question 141, option C. Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question for future editions of the Guide.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.

BTW, may i have your name? are you a student?? 

would you like to work for us--ETS??
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作者: liuyang1984    时间: 2006-9-22 11:49

对,像这样的信应该让所有的cder 们都看到,太鼓励我们了


作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-10-4 10:11

234.
                
The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye.

    

(A) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye
    

(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye making it invisible
    

(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it
    

(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible
    

(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible
        Choice A, the best answer, is clear, idiomatic, and grammatically correct. In B, the misplaced participial phrase making it invisible modifies eye rather than wavelength, thus producing a confusing statement that distorts the meaning. In C, D, and E the use of the second it is so imprecise as to be confusing. Furthermore, in D, and thus invisible incorrectly modifies wavelength rather than infrared radiation. Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive “which” is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 millimeters are too long for the eye to register.
    

用that引导从句,限定性,说明不是所有的波长0。1的都太长不能被眼睛register,

因此,Unless the transplant involves identical twins  who have the same genetic endowment  who前面的逗号是必然的,表示非限定性,因为所有的同卵双胞胎都有个相同的基因天资,没有例外,所以不能用限定性,只能用非限定性,如果没有逗号的话那么就是限定性的了,就说明还有一些其它的同卵双胞胎不是有同样的基因天资了。

自已写的啰嗦了一点,主要是想了半天才绕明白,怕自已忘记了。



作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-10-4 10:14

A,who  who前面有逗号表示非限定性,所有的都是一样的,用非限定性

A that  没有逗号,限定性,有的是这样的,有的不是这样的。

这两题一下子让我对限定性修饰和非限定性修饰有了深刻的体会,我再不用死记硬背了,真是开心。

谢谢前面的XDJMS


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作者: ll_422    时间: 2006-10-17 11:43
前人种树, 后人乘凉, 感谢CD的前辈们.
作者: joshcn2006    时间: 2006-11-27 00:06

泽被后世啊


作者: KATIEUS    时间: 2006-12-29 14:41

作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-8-19 10:21
以下是引用gmatchenaimin在2003-12-7 15:06:00的发言:
其实是限定性修饰 和 非限定性修饰的区别
所谓限定性修饰, 有定语从句, 分词短语, 介词短语等, 特证是和被修饰的对象紧连没有逗号隔开. 功能是限定被修饰对象
如: identical twins with the same genetic endowment: 具有相同基因特性的双胞胎

非限定性修饰, 有同位语从句, 非限定性定语从句, 名词短语等, 特佂是一定有逗号隔开, 功能是对被修饰对象起说明解释作用, 可以去掉非限定性修饰而不影响要表达的主要意思.
如上面的例子:Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same: 与双胞胎之间的器官移植不同, (他们具有相同的基因特征), ......

所以有泛指和特指之说

特别感谢gmatchenaimin的发言!

让我从此彻底明白限定性和非限定性修饰成分的用法


作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-8-19 10:29
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.

My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.

翻到第二页才看到这个,N,真N!!!!!

为所有锲而不舍,生命不息,专研不息的Cders喝彩!!!大家都该看看!!!


作者: nuj_am    时间: 2007-8-29 22:36
以下是引用LES在2004-4-29 15:12:00的发言:

Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.

My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.


去年看这个帖子的时候还没有入门, 一年后的今天再看, 真是一扫阴霾, 鼓舞士气啊!

LES太牛了!


作者: kare0011    时间: 2007-8-30 10:26
谢谢谢谢,这下对限定性定语从句和非限定性定于从句有了深刻理解了
作者: jonathan1987    时间: 2008-7-28 15:38

作者: jessie0317    时间: 2008-9-15 19:48

前辈们好牛

俺好感动。。。


作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-1-10 08:33
向前辈致敬
作者: 人乙    时间: 2009-2-1 23:56
楼上这样说的话··答案岂不是A?
作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-2 00:50
以下是引用gemj在2003-11-24 0:31:00的发言:
好象不是特指与泛指的区别吧?
我的理解是,介词短语与从句修饰的意思不一样:
twins with the same genetic endowment
翻成汉语的意思是:具有相同基因构成的同卵双胞胎。
言外之意是还有“不具有相同基因构成的同卵双胞胎。”


involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment
的意思是:涉及同卵双胞胎,而(同卵双胞胎)具有相同基因构成。
也就是定语从句是对其修饰对象的解释,而非限定。
或者说定语从句是与其修饰对象可以划等号,而介词短语却不可以。

顶!牛人讲解就是清晰。


作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-2 01:00
以下是引用gmatchenaimin在2003-12-7 15:06:00的发言:
其实是限定性修饰 和 非限定性修饰的区别
所谓限定性修饰, 有定语从句, 分词短语, 介词短语等, 特证是和被修饰的对象紧连没有逗号隔开. 功能是限定被修饰对象
如: identical twins with the same genetic endowment: 具有相同基因特性的双胞胎

非限定性修饰, 有同位语从句, 非限定性定语从句, 名词短语等, 特佂是一定有逗号隔开, 功能是对被修饰对象起说明解释作用, 可以去掉非限定性修饰而不影响要表达的主要意思.
如上面的例子:Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same: 与双胞胎之间的器官移植不同, (他们具有相同的基因特征), ......

所以有泛指和特指之说






牛人层出不穷!


作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-2 01:01
以下是引用atasl在2003-12-11 17:22:00的发言:
对这道题我不解的就在于此。ets明明说C中:“a nonrestrictive clause beginning with who to describe the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.” 可在C中的“who have..." 之前根本没逗号,没逗号能叫”nonrestrictive clause”吗?是不是印刷错误?

细心是解决SC之根本 : )


作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-2 01:07
以下是引用LES在2004-5-3 10:14:00的发言:
别再说啦,偶会觉得不好意思的,

是这里的NN们让偶确信是ETS的错,所以才敢写信给ETS的。


作者: greenclue    时间: 2009-2-6 18:44
嗯!的确受益非浅。谢谢!
作者: iamyamy    时间: 2009-2-12 01:34

thanks so much

you guys rock!


作者: ryanyong    时间: 2009-5-14 14:25

    

I have a ball which is red. 我有一个红色的球。该句的意思是我有一个红色的球,(但我可能还会有其他颜色的球,限定性


    



I have a ball, which is red.
我有一个球,而那个球是红色的。(同时该句表明,我没有其他球了。)非限定


    

 


    

That old man has a son who is a
teacher. 


    

这个老人有个当教师的儿子


    

That old man has a son, who is a teacher.


    

那个老人有一个儿子,他是一位老师。(他只有这一个儿子)


    



        
所谓限定性修饰, 定语从句, 分词短语, 介词短语, 特证是和被修饰的对象紧连没有逗号隔开. 功能是限定被修饰对象

        
: identical
twins with the same genetic endowment:
具有相同基因特性的双胞胎

            

        
非限定性修饰, 有同位语从句, 非限定性定语从句,
名词短语, 特佂是一定有逗号隔开,
        
功能是对被修饰对象起说明解释作用, 可以去掉非限定性修饰而不影响要表达的主要意思.

        
如上面的例子:Unlike
transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same:
与双胞胎之间的器官移植不同, (他们具有相同的基因特征), ......


    

 


    

141.


    

 Unlike transplants
between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take
antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.

a.Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the
same

b.Besides transplants involving identical twins with
the same genetic endowment

c.Unless the transplant involves identical twins
who have the same genetic endowment
            

d.Aside from a transplant between identical twins with
the same genetic endowment

e.Other than transplants between identical
twins, whose genetic endowment is the same


    

 


    

ABDE介词平行问题:  Besides, apart from , other than A,
B.......,       A
B 必须逻辑平行


    

 


    

_Choice C, the best answer, solves these
problems by using a clause introduced by Unless to describe the exception to
the rule and a nonrestrictive clause beginning with
who to describe
the characteristic attributed to all identical twins.


    

最开始的时候ETS少打印了一个“,”,没有逗号就是限定性!


    

 


    

_In B and D the
expression identical twins with
the same genetic endowment wrongly suggests that only some identical twin pairs
are genetically identical.


    

 


    

234. The physical structure
of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005
millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its
wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too long to be registered by the eye
.

        
(A) infrared
radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1 millimeters—is too
long to be registered by the eye

(B) however, the wavelength of infrared radiation—0.1 millimeters—is too long
to be registered by the eye making it invisible

(C) infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength—0.1
millimeters—is too long for the eye to register it

(D) however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters,
it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible

(E) however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to
register, thus making it invisible

        


    

Choice A, the best answer, is clear, idiomatic, and grammatically
correct. In B, the misplaced participial phrase making it invisible
modifies eye rather than wavelength, thus producing a confusing
statement that distorts the meaning. In C, D, and E the use of the second it
is so imprecise as to be confusing. Furthermore, in D, and thus invisible
incorrectly modifies wavelength rather than infrared radiation. Choice E
produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that
where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive “which
” is
(就是“,whichrequired:
a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests
that not all wavelengths of 0.1 millimeters are too long for the eye
to register.

            



通过以上诸位牛人特别是写信给ETS哪位牛MM的巨大帮助下
盘绕在我心头N天的问题彻底解决了,于是将所有浏览过的关于 限定非限定 的帖子进行总结,以助于大家理解,而划线部分无疑是精要!!

谢谢各位超人!


作者: ryanyong    时间: 2009-5-14 14:27
或者进一步说

限定性(无逗号)————特指,或部分指代

非限定性(有逗号)————对名词同级指代

作者: wangluxb    时间: 2009-8-19 10:32
牛人啊
作者: sprins    时间: 2009-9-1 23:45
LES版主JJ~~
作者: 侯子的西游记    时间: 2010-5-30 16:38
差点被这个题搞死!查遍所有的资料就是无法理解那里为什么是非限定性的,中午想到会不会是印错了,可新版本里又没有这道题,想着以前NN们应该讨论过这道题,所以上来看看,没想到真有收获....多谢前辈们啦!!!!!!会有福报!:)
作者: 知行    时间: 2011-3-1 19:26
太厉害了 我先头对这题目也是不解,怎么限定性和非限定性修饰 逗号又不能确定啦  最近经历了很多的 原来的固定的语法 不是那样的例子  例如 announce后面接从句 THAT可以省略, 这个我原来是认为是板上钉钉的事情。 向04 05年的前辈致敬!!  你们为CD 为我们这些后继者留下了无比宝贵的财富!!!

 04 05年就是CD的春秋战国 百花齐放 百家争鸣的时代 心向往之 身不能至!!
作者: 1fineday    时间: 2011-7-6 19:34
Typo, confirmed by ETS!

Thank you for your inquiry regarding two Sentence Correction questions and
their explanations in The Official Guide for GMAT Review.


My colleagues and I have examined the questions and their explanations in
light of your inquiry, and we have determined that your confusion is
entirely justified:  there is a printing error in question 141, option C.
Nonrestrictive clauses should indeed be set off by parenthetical commas, and
there should therefore be a comma after "twins" in option C. We appreciate
your calling this error to our attention, and we will revise the question
for future editions of the Guide.


Thank you very much for taking the time to share your concern with us. We
are always grateful to receive inquiries such as yours because they help us
to improve the quality of our tests and test preparation materials.


[此贴子已经被作者于2004-4-29 15:54:41编辑过]

-- by 会员 LES (2004/4/29 15:12:00)

终于揭开了我心中的疑惑。真是神人啊
作者: gourmettsu    时间: 2011-9-20 23:54
每次看考古贴都有一种穿越的感觉。。

2003年我才是个懵懂无知的初中生的时候,居然就有了这个论坛。。如今当年那些大牛都哪里去了。。7、8年之后的我又会在哪里。。
作者: casperbunny    时间: 2011-9-26 23:02
时光荏苒,解除心中疑惑的同时,这帖子看得我眼睛湿湿的。
作者: 钢琴123    时间: 2016-6-3 14:34
Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same
作者: 暖暖lit    时间: 2018-12-5 13:51
joywzy 发表于 2003-11-23 10:59
141. Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients r ...

我觉得这个题考点应该先是比较,要求比较两边对象的一致性。没划线的右边是V-ing形式,like\unless\aside from都有对等名词,other than也要求两边词性一样。符合这些后再看其他的。
作者: 板栗胃    时间: 2019-1-13 15:21
来考古,谢谢解析!
作者: 小小明噢耶    时间: 2019-8-13 16:03
感谢分享!               




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