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标题: OG 89 [打印本页]
作者: joywzy 时间: 2003-11-23 10:36
标题: OG 89
89. A recent national study of the public schools shows that there are now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were four years ago.
there are now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were
there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were
there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were
every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, four times as many than there were
every thirty-two pupils now has one microcomputer, four times as many as
Choices A, B, and C appropriately use the construction "one X for every thirty-two Y's" to describe the ratio of computers to pupils, but only C, the best answer, is error-free. In A, are does not agree with the subject, one microcomputer; furthermore, in A, B, and D, than is used where as is required. Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making four times as many refer illogically to pupils.
Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making four times as many refer illogically to pupils.这是什么意思呢?为什么会有学生相比呢?不明白啊???
能讲讲吗?谢谢。
作者: yzlinlin 时间: 2003-11-23 21:53
D补全后是: every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, (every thirty-two pupils) [are] four times as many than there were
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作者: joywzy 时间: 2003-11-26 12:18
为什么不能是:
every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, (compuer is ) four times as many than there were
作者: joywzy 时间: 2003-11-27 11:12
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-26 12:18:00的发言:
为什么不能是:
every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, (compuer is ) four times as many than there were
这个还是没懂,能讲讲吗?谢谢。
作者: jandj_shanghai 时间: 2003-11-28 05:56
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-26 12:18:00的发言:
为什么不能是:
every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, (compuer is ) four times as many than there were
呵呵,你是不是忘记平行结构啦。
首先至少应该是 (computer is ) four times as many as it was
而且这样的话省略的是computer,和前面句子得主语并不相同,因此是不能省略的。
C: [there is] now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as [there were]
E: every thirty-two pupils now has one microcomputer, four times as many as <-- 改为as many as they did。但是这样的话理解一下句意,four times其实指的是一种状况,而非强调pupil的动作。这样也是不如C来的好的。
不过我有点想不通的是,为什么用there were而不是there was呢?难道是four times在作怪?
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作者: lizaz 时间: 2003-11-28 15:33
已经讨论过一回了,
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=26698
可是我还是不太明白,觉得这可能是英语的一种习惯用法,希望高人能再解答一下。
作者: paopao 时间: 2004-6-25 10:31
为什么不能是:
every thirty-two pupils now have one micro­computer, (compuer is ) four times as many than there were
为什么不能是there was ?
谢谢
作者: paopao 时间: 2004-6-25 13:16
顶顶
请大家帮助
作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-12 08:57
我认为这道题A/D区别关键在于A的表达是比例,而D/E的表达是具体数字,那么从逻辑上只能是代表32的数字可以是其他数字的4倍,而代表1的数字无法合理地成为整数的4倍。
作者: jnlvo 时间: 2004-7-12 09:04
感觉"含数字的主语+谓语,as many as/more than+省略句"这类句型的比较首先指向主语。如果要指向宾语觉得","可省。且此题D理解成one computer four times as many (as)than there were似乎没有什么意思,不可能理解为一个计算机是1/4计算机的四倍。答案C是个比例没有这种歧义。
作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-12 09:09
谢谢jnlvo兄相助。
作者: xealot 时间: 2004-7-12 10:55
C和D选项的four times.... 部分,应该是前面整个成分every thirty-two pupils now has one microcomputer的状语,因此应该和主语比较,即pupils...
作者: ashi822001 时间: 2004-9-17 12:00
我认为:(C)there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many(microcomputers) as there were
(D)every thirty-two pupils now has one microcomputer,four times as many (pupils) than there were
所以:Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making four times as many refer illogically to pupils
作者: ashi822001 时间: 2004-9-17 12:02
我认为:(C)there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many(microcomputers) as there were
(D)every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer,four times as many (pupils) as there were
所以:Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making four times as many refer illogically to pupils
作者: gaofengusa 时间: 2005-2-18 07:48
there is now one micreocomputer for every thirty-two pupils, (which are) four times as many as there were. 这句话补全后应该是这样的。 four times 指的是学生,不是计算机。所以很明显,D 、E 是错误的!
作者: cdoublesok 时间: 2005-3-18 19:17
想了一半天,算了一半天,突然觉得应该不用我们来算什么比例,不是说数学不好嘛.我理解为:既然32个人有1台,那四倍的话就是32个人有四台,即在原来的基础上,32这个基数不变.所以可以用were.
不知对否.
作者: 番茄笑了 时间: 2005-7-4 03:52
以下是引用gaofengusa在2005-2-18 7:48:00的发言:there is now one micreocomputer for every thirty-two pupils, (which are) four times as many as there were. 这句话补全后应该是这样的。 four times 指的是学生,不是计算机。所以很明显,D 、E 是错误的!
这种说法是不对的~这里four times肯定是指电脑不是小学生,现在是one for every 32 pupils每32个学生一台电脑的以前的比率的四倍也就说以前可能是每50或者100个学生才有一台电脑,电脑的个数增加了!如果照mm说的,是学生增加了,那按照以前的比率学生更多~个人意见而已,经供参考!下面是引用一个gg对于这一题的解释,我觉得比较有道理~~
以下是引用dxwei2008在2003-11-25 22:13:00的发言:
我个人觉得可以象如下这样理解,不过我不保证正确啊。
1、先举一个简单点的例子
There are 8 computers in this classroom, 4 times as many as there ( ) in that classroom.
上面这个例子要表达的这个教室有8台电脑,是那个教室里的四倍。谁都知道括号里应该填写的是are,而不是is。
2、变换一下
There are 8 students in this class room.
There is one computer for every student, four times as many as there ( ) in that classroom.
这个句子比上面那个句子加了一个前提,就是教师里有8个学生。每个学生有一台。描述的是同样一个道理,你觉得括号里应该是填are还是is呢?
3、如何解释这个题目
前半句there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils和后半句there were four years ago,它们两句话所表达的倍数关系是什么物质的倍数关系呢?肯定是电脑台数的倍数关系,并不是平均每台电脑的使用频率上的倍数关系。既然是电脑台数的倍数关系,那么我们可以肯定,四年前肯定不是只有一台电脑吧。那么肯定要用were。前半句是用一台电脑的使用人数来表达电脑的台数,后半句直接使用数字个数来表达电脑的台数,所以要用复数。
不知道讲清楚了没有,如果没有可以再问。
作者: 番茄笑了 时间: 2005-7-4 04:09
另外我想问一下,E这个选项,如果要补全,应该怎么补?
every thirty-two pupils now has one microcomputer, four times as many as they had four years ago.
我觉得我这个补全不正确。希望哪位高手指点一下~我一向对于比较结构中什么时候和什么成分,可以省去什么不可以省去比较模糊! 非常谢谢~~~
作者: jnlvo 时间: 2005-7-4 11:27
我也觉得补得不对,they指代有问题,they指thirty-two pupils,意思是相同的32人, 现在和四年前比, 而这里是比率之比。E这个选项无论怎么改都不如C, 如OG所言,先天就不足:reorder and garble。
作者: vezdeu 时间: 2005-7-4 13:53
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-26 12:18:00的发言:
为什么不能是:
every thirty-two pupils now have one microcomputer, (compuer is ) four times as many than there were
笼统地说,英语的句子结构和逻辑与汉语有一些不同:一个句子(分号隔开的除外)有一个主语和与其搭配的谓语“统领”,其他成分必须和这二者保持一致。历数各种分词,从句,他们的先行词,时态和语态都必须和主句的主语和谓语构成正确的一致关系。
就这句话来说,主语是every thirty-two pupils ,后面的four times as many than there were主语自然也是every thirty-two pupils ,从而造成错误。正确的答案主语是computer,这才能和后面的数量比较进行搭配。
需要补充的是,独立主格的主语可以不和主句主语一致(事实上一般都不一致),这里也没有详细说状语的情况,应为状语一般不涉及主语,而这道题主要考察主语搭配。
作者: vezdeu 时间: 2005-7-4 22:38
支持一下番茄笑了,其实这个问题这么一说就明白了:there be句型其实是倒装的,本来应该是there be abc....===abc be there....
套用过来就是there is now one micreocomputer =one micreocomputer is there now,主语是one micreocomputer
作者: tania 时间: 2005-7-11 14:58
我还是不明白为什么c选项中用four times as many as there were
按照比较的原则,这里应该是主语之间的比较,我觉得as many as 后面应该是there was (one microcomputer for every 128 pupils )four years ago才是啊!(括号中为省略的部分)为何用there were呢????
哪位nn能讲解一下啊?
作者: tania 时间: 2005-7-11 15:34
刚刚看到rt316的一段解释,觉得很有收获,贴过来跟大家分享。
“首先要强调的是X for Y的结构表达的仅仅是比例关系,而X have Y则表达了具体数字的关系;
原文想要表达的是:现在电脑和学生的比例是1:32,(电脑总数)是4年前的4倍。整个句子前其实有个暗含的句子,比如:There are 2000 microcomputers now. 那么4年前电脑就是500台,所以在这里应该用复数were而不是was;
但是我们总是觉得似乎应该用was来同样地表达比例关系,问题在于as many as已经明确了比较的是具体数字而不是比例。
题外话:表示比例的句子后的比较,可以是另一个‘比例’也可以是‘具体数字’。”
作者: yangsh 时间: 2005-7-22 12:25
there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were (FOUR MICROCOMPUTERS FOR EVERY THIRTY-TWO PUPILS)
1:32 IS FOUR TIMES AS MANY AS 4:32
作者: yangsh 时间: 2005-7-22 12:45
错了,对不起
32;1 是 32:4的四倍
不知道对否,请大牛出来指点。
作者: icare1 时间: 2005-7-24 00:26
此题主要看歧义就好
作者: mko 时间: 2005-11-22 08:00
1:128
4:128 = 1:32, 4 times as many as 1:128
作者: w0007545 时间: 2006-1-10 01:29
There is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils..这只是表达一个比例,比较得是computers,所以用there were
作者: 顾风 时间: 2006-3-14 15:54
这个解释有些牵强,唯一可以确定的是,如果再多一个答案F,和答案C唯一不同的就是把there were换成there was。我觉得很多人,包括已经提供了解释的人都会去选F,不知大家以为然否?
作者: 盈儿 时间: 2006-8-27 15:45
以下是引用rt316在2004-7-12 8:57:00的发言:
我认为这道题A/D区别关键在于A的表达是比例,而D/E的表达是具体数字,那么从逻辑上只能是代表32的数字可以是其他数字的4倍,而代表1的数字无法合理地成为整数的4倍。
首先要强调的是X for Y的结构表达的仅仅是比例关系,而X have Y则表达了具体数字的关系;
原文想要表达的是:现在电脑和学生的比例是1:32,(电脑总数)是4年前的4倍。整个句子前其实有个暗含的句子,比如:There are 2000 microcomputers now. 那么4年前电脑就是500台,所以在这里应该用复数were而不是was;
但是我们总是觉得似乎应该用was来同样地表达比例关系,问题在于as many as已经明确了比较的是具体数字而不是比例。
yep
agree with you
your understanding is just like the explanation in OG
That is what we should focus on.
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作者: szy733 时间: 2008-1-21 11:11
UP
作者: eileenmu木 时间: 2008-2-20 12:09
懂了,谢谢
原来“
表示比例的句子后的比较,可以是另一个‘比例’也可以是‘具体数字’”
作者: lulu_odin 时间: 2008-5-8 11:11
作者: stellachan 时间: 2009-4-27 20:01
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-23 10:36:00的发言:
89. A recent national study of the public schools shows that there are now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were four years ago.
(C) there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were
求问为什么是there were啊?
是以前的四倍
前面都用的是there is
应该是用there was吧???
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作者: cuishang11 时间: 2009-5-10 22:10
以下是引用顾风在2006-3-14 15:54:00的发言:
这个解释有些牵强,唯一可以确定的是,如果再多一个答案F,和答案C唯一不同的就是把there were换成there was。我觉得很多人,包括已经提供了解释的人都会去选F,不知大家以为然否?
这个说法太打击人了...
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