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作者: leehom 时间: 2003-11-21 18:53
标题: OG 181
Because of the enormous research and development expenditures required to survive in the electronics industry, an industry marked by by rapid innovation and volatile demand, such firms tend to be very large.
A. to survive
B. of firms to survive
C. for surviving
D. for survival
E. for firms' survival
书中说B的FIRMS是require的逻辑宾语，是 survive的逻辑主语。那请问为何用Of firms 这样的形式？

作者: lixiaoyang 时间: 2003-11-21 19:40
require of sb/sth to do sth固定句型

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-9 15:03

以下是引用lixiaoyang在2003-11-21 19:40:00的发言：
require of sb/sth to do sth固定句型

OG109.Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.
(A) that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are
(B) that pay for jobs historically held by women should be the same as for a job requiring comparable skills
(C) to pay the same in jobs historically held by women as in jobs of comparable skill that are
(D) to pay the same regardless of whether a job was historically held by women or is one demanding comparable skills
(E) to pay as much for jobs historically held by women as for a job demanding comparable skills
Choices C, D, and E produce the ungrammatical construction requires of... employers to pay, in which of makes the phrase incorrect. 由OG中的解释可见require of sb/sth to do sth是不合require的固定搭配的。require of sb that……才是习语。

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-9 15:10
og181.require的逻辑宾语应该是the enormous research and development expenditures ，因为require是紧跟其后的动词; firms是to survive的逻辑主语。
只是如果改成主动语态：require n1 of n2 to do，这样有什么问题吗？
请教各位牛牛：）

作者: yongchou 时间: 2003-12-10 12:40
for active mood,
require sb/sth to V
require sb/sth that
------
for passive,
sth be required of sb/sth to V

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-10 14:09
oops, 'of sb' is 形势宾语 here. it says in teh dictionary 'Do u require anything of me?'
require sb to do sth
require sb that SUBJUCTIVE MOOD without 'should'
so, 109, 'of ' there is wrong ----require sb to do sth
181, 'of ' here is a must ----'Do u require anything of me?'

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-10 14:12
sorry, it's logical object

作者: yongchou 时间: 2003-12-10 15:54
Snazzy is right
require sth of sb/sth
(for active too)

作者: halcyon 时间: 2003-12-11 01:20
那么181 变成主动语态：the enormous research and development expenditures is required of firms to survive....
对吗?

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-11 12:40
agreed, but it's 'r required'

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-11 14:39

以下是引用halcyon在2003-12-11 1:20:00的发言：
那么181 变成主动语态：the enormous research and development expenditures is required of firms to survive....
对吗?

改成主动语态是：
require the enormous research and development expenditures of firms to survive
也就是SnazzyGG说的require sth of sb/sth to do的一种复合结构，对吗？

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-11 14:45
require的搭配：请牛牛指教！
require that
require of sb that(OG 109)
require sb to do sth
require sth of sb/sth to do(OG 181)

作者: solome 时间: 2003-12-11 15:56
of firms 和 required ... 短语都是修饰前面的expenditures 的，如果把of ...紧跟在expenditures
后面，其后的required...会引起歧义，所以是这样的顺序。

我以前读论文的时候看过类似的句子，很有印象。

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2003-12-11 23:25
hi, Christina, thanks for ur message. here is the point:
1, require sb to do sth
2, require that + subjuctive mood(don't use SHOULD, only a verb)
3, require sth of sb

u must be familiar with 1 and 2. so i only explain what 3 means
here, sb 是宾语sth的逻辑主语， eg, You required some suggestion of me on the usage of the verb require. Here, it's I who will give u the suggestion. Got it? Pls feel free to ask.

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-12 18:50

以下是引用solome在2003-12-11 15:56:00的发言：
of firms 和 required ... 短语都是修饰前面的expenditures 的，如果把of ...紧跟在expenditures
后面，其后的required...会引起歧义，所以是这样的顺序。

我以前读论文的时候看过类似的句子，很有印象。

谢谢solome！：）

作者: christinahong 时间: 2003-12-12 18:58

以下是引用Snazzy在2003-12-11 23:25:00的发言：
hi, Christina, thanks for ur message. here is the point:
1, require sb to do sth
2, require that + subjuctive mood(don't use SHOULD, only a verb)
3, require sth of sb

u must be familiar with 1 and 2. so i only explain what 3 means
here, sb 是宾语sth的逻辑主语， eg, You required some suggestion of me on the usage of the verb require. Here, it's I who will give u the suggestion. Got it? Pls feel free to ask.

我觉得：require sth of sb中sth与 sb是一种从属关系，expenditures of firms ，
GG的例子：some suggestion of me ，这里用了a of b的所有格，sb是紧跟其后的to do 的逻辑主语，不是require的宾语sth的逻辑主语。
请Snazzy GG再指教！：）

作者: 我笨，我努力 时间: 2004-6-1 12:24
新东方老师说，出现such+n，这个名词必定是应该第二次出现，所以，前面必须出现过firm。这算不算一个标准？

作者: Andrea625 时间: 2004-6-27 15:21

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新东方老师说，出现such+n，这个名词必定是应该第二次出现，所以，前面必须出现过firm。这算不算一个标准？

======================这是邪派武功，在这里。

作者: advantage 时间: 2005-8-22 21:21

以下是引用solome在2003-12-11 15:56:00的发言：
of firms 和 required ... 短语都是修饰前面的expenditures 的，如果把of ...紧跟在expenditures
后面，其后的required...会引起歧义，所以是这样的顺序。

我以前读论文的时候看过类似的句子，很有印象。

支持这一派说法,谢谢了喔~`

作者: mmfoolish 时间: 2005-11-18 10:37

以下是引用Andrea625在2004-6-27 15:21:00的发言：

======================这是邪派武功，在这里。

究竟对不对？

请教！！！

作者: seasnow 时间: 2005-12-14 10:40

请问这句话怎么翻译？

如果变为主动语态好像没有主语啊？

不懂

作者: melissasun 时间: 2005-12-14 11:16

我觉得这个such+n有一定道理。

就比如说这个such firm，究竟是哪个firm？必定前文有所交代

作者: tdyg 时间: 2006-1-24 15:51

续Snazzy的总结：

1, require sb to do sth

He require me to pay $10000 to him every year.

2, require that + subjective mood (don't use SHOULD, only a verb)

He require that I pay $10000 for him to study in America every year.

3, sth1 (be) required of sb. to do sth2. OG181.

Financial assistant is required of me to study in America.

4 ,require of sb. that-clause. OG109

I require of him that $10000 be paid for me to study in America every year.

请批评指正！

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作者: juliet01192000 时间: 2006-3-26 10:48

以下是引用tdyg在2006-1-24 15:51:00的发言：

续Snazzy的总结：

1, require sb to do sth

He require me to pay $10000 to him every year.

2, require that + subjective mood (don't use SHOULD, only a verb)

He require that I pay $10000 for him to study in America every year.

3, sth1 (be) required of sb. to do sth2. OG181.

Financial assistant is required of me to study in America.

4 ,require of sb. that-clause. OG109

I require of him that $10000 be paid for me to study in America every year.

请批评指正！

发现你做了很多总结哦！thanks a lot ：）

作者: hopelanxyn 时间: 2007-9-7 04:44

我觉得正常的语序应该是:

"firms require the enormous research and development expenditures to survive

当 require 用于被动语态,同时require的逻辑主语也存在的话,应该是

x require y to do (主动)

y required of x to do (被动, required词组修饰y)

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作者: huangyh03 时间: 2007-11-1 13:21
og的解释里也提到了such firms需要有所指代，但不一定要这个名词出现，逻辑上对等就可以了吧

作者: songlovegt 时间: 2009-2-11 05:55

Solome

分析的真好

作者: Mayanist 时间: 2009-2-11 13:13

以下是引用christinahong在2003-12-12 18:58:00的发言：

require of 确实有这个用法啊，而且用语正式的书面语中，虽然一般词典上没有，但是 New York Times上有下面这些句子：

The oath required of the Oklahoma state employers read in part:

In adjusting these provisions, however, tile reserves required of trust companies ...

This is required of us by the agreements that we are party to and that We have signed. This is required of us by the values which bind us together.

有了上面的用法，我认为可以有 require of sb. sth.这种双宾语结构（有贴讨论，附在下面），这样原句的主动态就可以理解为to survive requires of firms R&D expenditures，变为被动态 R&D expenditures are required of firms to survive，其中to survive 作宾语补足语。欢迎指正。

附：http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1152705 ，虽然不能说权威，读完帖子后，你会感觉可信度很高。主要内容摘抄如下：

marialex

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require from vs. require of

Is there any difference? Which is the correct form? Example: "the client will require from the architect all plans..." or "the client will require of the architect...."
Muchas gracias,
Marialex

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Re: require from vs. require of

I would say "from". Usually I would place it after the object: "The client will require all plans ... from the architect." Placing it before the object sounds more formal, although that wouldn't seem inappropriate in this context, so you can do it either way.

I think "of" is usually used with "require" when it is used with a person as the object; for example, "What do you require of me?", or "I wish Jake would do what is required of him." (When the action is specified in the same sentence, though, "of" is not used: "I require you to water the plants.") Also note that I think this construction with "of" is only used when it is an action that is required, not a thing. In other words, "What do you require of me?" is a more formal way to ask, "What do you need me to do?", but not "What do you need me to give you?".

- Kef

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作者: Mayanist 时间: 2009-2-11 13:16

以下是引用songlovegt在2009-2-11 5:55:00的发言：

Solome

分析的真好

我担心Solome的分析使得required 和 of firms 失去动宾联系，按照我上贴的理解，firms 作 require of这个动词词组的宾语。

仅仅是我个人的推测，欢迎继续讨论。

作者: yinl 时间: 2009-7-2 00:44

以下是引用Mayanist在2009-2-11 13:16:00的发言：

我担心Solome的分析使得required 和 of firms 失去动宾联系，按照我上贴的理解，firms 作 require of这个动词词组的宾语。

仅仅是我个人的推测，欢迎继续讨论。

菜鸟还是没看明白，SOLOME 大侠能不能再解释清楚一点

我没怎么看明白里面的关系……

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