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作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-19 12:30
标题: 奇幻的than结构~~额的神啊!

关于than结构的用法请教大家,要想疯了~~

EG1:The economy of Florida is more diversified than it was ten years ago

 

EG:2 Florida will gain another quarter-million jobs this year alone, many of them in such high-paying fields as electronics and banking, making the state’s economy far more diversified than it was ten years ago.

 

如上两个例子,我认为比较对像是主语的比较,第二个可能有点歧义,虽然在分词的伴随结构中the state’s economy相当于宾语,但在这样的句子中,我常是把making排除并在economy后加上is来看把它当作主语的比较,否则than后面it was的补出就讲不通,只有主语的比较才可以涉及到动词的补出问题


作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-19 12:30

EG:3Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia
            
with far more supplies than for any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

        

EG:4:28. The rise in the Commerce Department’s index of leading economic indicators suggest that the economy should continue its expansion into the coming months, but that the mixed performance of the index’s individual components indicates that economic growth will proceed at a more moderate pace than in the first quarter of this year.

再看上面两个例子,than前后的时态明显不同且有明确的表示时间的状语,虽然我们知道than后分别省略了比较的对象,但是按照开始两个例子的逻辑,OG认为当比较前后时间不同的时候一定要补出it was之类的相应动词。这好像是存在了自相矛盾的说法。折磨了很久,后来认为这差异之处在于,12都是主语的比较补出理所当然,但是在34中比较对像是状语中的名词,不是主语比较,当然不用补出动词,只需要把限定成份说出即可。

本以为这样的解释还算说得过去,可是又联系到以前以为弄懂的一个问题整个体系就又乱了。

 


作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-19 12:31

Eg5:OG30 No less remarkable than the development of the compact disc has been the use of the new technology to revitalize, in better sound than was ever before possible, some of the classic recorded performances of the pre-LP era.

EG6: MP3 and the Internet promise to bring the consumer a wider array of music choices than was ever before possible.

EG7:
            
The financial crash of October 1987 demonstrated that the world’s capital markets are more closely integrated than ever before and that events in one part of the global village may be transmitted to the rest of the village—almost instantaneously.

 

我曾习惯的把ever before当作than后的特殊用法。直到有一天看到薰衣紫草NN关于以上用法的总结,她的意思大概是有was补出的一般是名词间的比较,直接

ever before的是同一事物的不同状态情况的比较。在google试了一下发现搜到的例句完全符合条件。就欣欣然接受了,但现在想一下,例5中比较的是sound,例6中比较的是array它们在句中的成份都不是主语,为什么要补出动词呢?实在是要抓狂了。还是说在ever before的比较中另有蹊跷?
                
请大家多多提点!


作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-20 14:39
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作者: mangzi99    时间: 2007-1-20 15:05

看晕了,对于比较,也很头痛


作者: magico    时间: 2007-1-20 18:19

推荐你看看这个NN的帖子

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=103101&id=103101&page=1&skin=0&Star=1


作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-20 18:29

谢谢楼上的,这贴子我看过了

实际上我几乎是看过了这所有关于比较的讨论

仍有如上问题,唉~~!

拿庖丁解牛篇的例子来说,她说状语比较是A do sth than usual/everbefore/people expected 的确在普遍情况下是这样,但OG本身的例子里就有状语比较而后面是was ever before的情况在,所以实在是头大


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作者: magico    时间: 2007-1-20 18:41
以下是引用bloveecho在2007-1-19 12:30:00的发言:

关于than结构的用法请教大家,要想疯了~~

EG1:The economy of Florida is more diversified than it was ten years ago

 

 

EG:2 Florida will gain another quarter-million jobs this year alone, many of them in such high-paying fields as electronics and banking, making the state’s economy far more diversified than it was ten years ago.

 

 

如上两个例子,我认为比较对像是主语的比较,第二个可能有点歧义,虽然在分词的伴随结构中the state’s economy相当于宾语,但在这样的句子中,我常是把making排除并在economy后加上is来看把它当作主语的比较,否则than后面it was的补出就讲不通,只有主语的比较才可以涉及到动词的补出问题

这个我认为是状语的比较,之所以要补出 it was,是因为时态的变化,这样句子更加严谨。


作者: magico    时间: 2007-1-20 18:45

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欢迎讨论


作者: lvqingling    时间: 2007-1-21 14:05
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作者: lvqingling    时间: 2007-1-21 14:34

American Heritage Dictionary :

Since the 18th century grammarians have insisted that than should be regarded as a conjunction in all its uses, so that a sentence such as Bill is taller than Tom
        
should be construed as an elliptical version of the sentence Bill is taller than Tom is. According to this view, the case of a pronoun following than
        is determined by whether the pronoun serves as the subject or object of the verb that is "understood." Thus, the standard rule requires Pat is taller than I (not me) on the assumption that this sentence is elliptical for Pat is taller than I am but allows The news surprised Pat more than me, since this sentence is taken as elliptical for The news surprised Pat more than it surprised me.
    

However, than is quite commonly treated as a preposition when followed by an isolated noun phrase, and as such occurs with a pronoun in the objective case: John is taller than me.
        Though this usage is still widely regarded as incorrect, it is predominant in speech and has reputable literary precedent, appearing in the writing of such respected authors as Shakespeare, Johnson, Swift, Scott, and Faulkner. It is also consistent with the fact that than is clearly treated as a preposition in the than whom construction, as in a poet than whom (not than who) no one has a dearer place in the hearts of his countrymen. Still, the writer who risks a sentence like Mary is taller than him in formal writing must be prepared to defend the usage against objections of critics who are unlikely to be dissuaded from the conviction that the usage is incorrect. 

Comparatives using as . . . as can be analyzed as parallel to those using than. Traditional grammarians insist that I am not as tall as he is the only correct form; in formal writing, one should adhere to this rule. However, one can cite both literary precedent and syntactic arguments in favor of analyzing the second as as a preposition (which would allow constructions such as I am not as tall as him).
    


作者: bloveecho    时间: 2007-1-25 19:28

楼上的用法看过了,觉得仍然是在重复主语比较的东西

晕,偶还是不晓得ever before的用法

请教大家了~~






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