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作者: zengerl 时间: 2006-12-22 09:23
标题: Dec Scores are out

Got a humiliating 171. Have no time to retake If I want to enter law school the coming fall. don't know what to do, wait for another year or give up law career totally.

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作者: gentlesea 时间: 2006-12-22 09:50

168, almost faint for it. I checked several times untill I'm sure of it. Anyway, I'm very satisfied with the comeout, as it will help me to get into one of my ideal top 10-50. :-)

作者: frogette 时间: 2006-12-22 09:59

same here 178. an unbelievable 25 point increase from sep test.

zengerl, are you kidding? 171 should help get you into most of the top 15 schools.

作者: larichard 时间: 2006-12-22 10:28
178....GOD...

作者: lltiger03 时间: 2006-12-22 10:29

to frogette:

Did you take it in mainland China?

If so, you are an incredibly genius

作者: careyfan 时间: 2006-12-22 10:53

175 take in hongkong! Great!

but i am really short of cash. so i won't apply to the top law schools. top25--50 is better for me to get the scholarship.!

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作者: frogette 时间: 2006-12-22 11:28

sorry, typo! 168.

wish i were a genius.

作者: 秋天的虫子 时间: 2006-12-22 11:38

u guys are all so bull...

作者: lawyerme 时间: 2006-12-22 12:20
a disappointing 169 says goodbye to yale

作者: jane1109 时间: 2006-12-22 15:52
168, pretty happy

作者: lltiger03 时间: 2006-12-22 16:05

to get 168 does not mean that you are not a genious,hehe

作者: cooleylaw 时间: 2006-12-22 16:30

诸位都太牛了……小子考了164看来只有跳湖一条路了……有没有人能够指点一下，这个成绩能够上什么样的学校，毕业后能在美国呆下去的呢？

ps - 考这么高的大侠们都是在国外的吧？？单纯国内背景，我很难想像啊！

作者: lltiger03 时间: 2006-12-22 19:33
我现在在国内读本科，目前大四，嗬嗬

作者: zengerl 时间: 2006-12-22 21:38

以下是引用frogette在2006-12-22 9:59:00的发言：

same here 178. an unbelievable 25 point increase from sep test.

zengerl, are you kidding? 171 should help get you into most of the top 15 schools.

Thanks. what I thought was :171 is too low for scholarship. Nevertheless, after the initial emotion, I decide not to retake.I average 175 in practices, it is said that usually prepare tests are 3-4 points higher than the real one, which means 171 in real test is probably my level. I may end up applying for a part-time program in Washington.

作者: zengerl 时间: 2006-12-22 22:50

以下是引用cooleylaw在2006-12-22 16:30:00的发言：

诸位都太牛了……小子考了164看来只有跳湖一条路了……有没有人能够指点一下，这个成绩能够上什么样的学校，毕业后能在美国呆下去的呢？

ps - 考这么高的大侠们都是在国外的吧？？单纯国内背景，我很难想像啊！

What is you background? If you have a science degree, 164 is a very good score, seriously. Now there is a exploding need for lawyers of science. for patent application, science degree is a must(required by US government, and foreign degrees count as well), and for patent litigation, science degree is a big plus( some law firms even have a position named 'supporting scientist', they enlist masters or Ph.D. of science major,; though lower than an attorney, the pay is still very good: for a Ph.D, you can expect around $80,000 a year). So focus on those school sranked 20-40 but with a high IP ranking, be sure to be close to the area with high-tech industries(like Washington DC, bay area CA, Austin TX, and etc.), you may end up better than those YSH'ers, unless you want to go political (considering the language and culture barrier, you will probably not make it as a lobbyist or politicain any way).

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作者: neohawk 时间: 2006-12-23 00:41

成绩出来了，郁闷了半天，只有165。不过后来想想，这也差不多是我的水平了。这么多次练习其实只有四次是167－168，其他决大部分时候是163－165，最后两个礼拜的时候心理压力太大，好几次只有160－161，当时以为要彻底完蛋了。现在考了个这样的分数，下面的路不知道该怎么走了，
是申请呢还是继续在学校里被老板多压榨一年然后他给我象我师姐一样找一个lab做postdoc（我的专业很冷门）。如果继续呆，出路不好，这也是我当时决定考lsat的原因。如果申请，不知道我能上什么样的学校，如果做IP 的话能不能找到一份还不错的工作，毕竟要投入三年以及一大笔钱。另外如果申请的话请指教一下应该怎样选校？本人工科背景，清华的本科，uiuc的硕士以及博士在读。本科GPA 只有83，这边3.7（老板research逼的紧，没什么功夫管上课的事情，准备lsat的三个月里面还出去开了两次会，
唉），然后有已经发表加上被接受等待发表的journal paper 10篇，conference paper 若干和一个最佳论文奖，不知道这些有用没有。唉，现在都不知道应不应该找老板写推荐信，觉得可能有点用，但又怕惹怒了他，我就麻烦大了，真是头疼

作者: frogette 时间: 2006-12-23 00:53

以下是引用neohawk在2006-12-23 0:41:00的发言：

i wouldn't dare to boast that i could provide you with any suggestion, but your research experience is so strong! admire. when i had my off-campus interview with northwestern, the professor seemed impressed with my research and working experience and was REALLY forgiving about my previous low lsat (shamefully low). she encouraged me to briefly explain my low lsat scores in an additional essay. however, i do not know if all adcoms are like that. in any event, wish you the best of luck!

作者: zengerl 时间: 2006-12-23 01:03

以下是引用neohawk在2006-12-23 0:41:00的发言：

For IP, Duke and Berkely are a good choice, and your scores plus your backgroud are enough for them. But Duke's location is not so good, you may want to apply for it as your bottom school. Berkely is a good choice! And you may reach out to Stanford( give it a try as it only cost $100, as their LSAT score is much lower than Yale and Harvard). and also apply for some 20's like George Washington

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作者: frogette 时间: 2006-12-23 01:05

zengerl, thank you for sharing the information regarding science majors. i quite benefited from your reply.

btw, when you said D.C. are you thinking about georgetown ;) wish you would get into your dream school with scholarship.

作者: heihei 时间: 2006-12-23 01:34

Very useful info.

btw, what are appropriate ways to explain low LSAT scores?

Thanks.

作者: neohawk 时间: 2006-12-23 02:16
谢谢楼上各位的指点, 真心希望他们能考虑我的背景而不只是看lsat成绩. 不知道老板的推荐信是不是很重要,感觉挺重要的,毕竟是我的advisor,但是我们圈子很小,要是老板真的怒了,我现在lsat又没考好要是没申请上还成的学校我就没有回头路了,老板的能量足以让我在这个圈子没法混,到时候身份什么的都是大麻烦,唉,郁闷呀.

作者: zengerl 时间: 2006-12-23 03:59

以下是引用neohawk在2006-12-23 2:16:00的发言：
谢谢楼上各位的指点, 真心希望他们能考虑我的背景而不只是看lsat成绩. 不知道老板的推荐信是不是很重要,感觉挺重要的,毕竟是我的advisor,但是我们圈子很小,要是老板真的怒了,我现在lsat又没考好要是没申请上还成的学校我就没有回头路了,老板的能量足以让我在这个圈子没法混,到时候身份什么的都是大麻烦,唉,郁闷呀.

If you have to quit Ph.D, you'd better not let your boss know before everything is set.

If you are graduating before Sept 2007, I see no reason not to. You have a great chance getting into top 20. Asking for a letter may lower your boss's warmth getting you a postdoc position, but he probably won't say bad thing about you in the letter.

It really depends on you: is the postdoc position really sth you don't want to or can not afford to lose? Have you thought about the law career? are you able and willing to stand the difficulty on your way to a lawyer? are you prepared for the boring work of an attorney?...

You have to gamble a little bit. Ask yourself where your heart goes

作者: Lycus 时间: 2006-12-23 04:08

以下是引用zengerl在2006-12-23 1:03:00的发言：

Berkeley 和 Duke之类就基本上不用指望了, GPA和LSAT都不够

应该好好考虑一下值不值得去上更差的学校

如果我考了165估计就不考虑上法学院了(我的学校和GPA都过了YALE的75%,但还没考LSAT)

THU+UIUC PHD, 干嘛非去读个法学院啊?

建议考虑清楚再和老板摊牌, 但是你老板的推荐应该是需要的, 多数学校都写明了这点

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作者: heihei 时间: 2006-12-23 04:28

LZ, don't give up!

My friend knows a very successful IP attorney who graduated from University of Baltimore, law.

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作者: neohawk 时间: 2006-12-23 04:35

以下是引用zengerl在2006-12-23 3:59:00的发言：

If you have to quit Ph.D, you'd better not let your boss know before everything is set.

You have to gamble a little bit. Ask yourself where your heart goes

quit倒是不用, 5月应该能毕业. 也不是不能afford to lose a postdoc,只是怕申请这边要是没成, 那边也掉了线的话身份成问题.

作者: neohawk 时间: 2006-12-23 04:36

以下是引用Lycus在2006-12-23 4:08:00的发言：

Berkeley 和 Duke之类就基本上不用指望了, GPA和LSAT都不够

建议好好考虑一下值不值得去上更差的学校

如果我考了165估计就不考虑上法学院了(我的学校和GPA都过了YALE的75%,但还没考LSAT)

THU+UIUC PHD, 干嘛非去读个法学院啊?

建议LZ考虑清楚再和老板摊牌, 但是你老板的推荐应该是需要的, 多数学校都写明了这点

唉,郁闷呀

作者: neohawk 时间: 2006-12-23 04:38

以下是引用heihei在2006-12-23 4:28:00的发言：

LZ, don't give up!

My friend knows a very successful IP attorney who graduated from University of Baltimore, law.

谢谢鼓励,唉

作者: donghaixu 时间: 2006-12-23 10:22

Quote<如果我考了165估计就不考虑上法学院了(我的学校和GPA都过了YALE的75%,但还没考LSAT)>Quote

How old are you? I mean mental age. A 165 is over 90% percentile of total population taking the test. Well if you aim at YHS or merit scholarship it could be a disadvantage, but it is definitely enough for anyone with mediocre GPA to get in a decent top20~30 school, and if you do well in the law school you can still land a decent job after graduation. Is Yale your only choice? How about Hogwarts School? By the way, where can I find the data source for your "学校" to be Yale's 75%??

Naive or lacking adequate knowledge is ok - but beware not to mislead.

作者: Lilac29 时间: 2006-12-24 01:11

1. Check the law school locator to find out what kind of law school you are eligible for.

http://www.bc.edu/offices/careers/gradschool/law/lawlocator/

http://www.studentdoc.com/lsat-score.html

http://www.lawschoolstats.com/cgi-bin/cgi/index2.cgi

2. I don't think it is good idea to talk to your advisor unless you think he/she is really good-natured and you can trust him. Talk to someone instead, such as someone who taught in certain class in graduate school. And ask him/her if him/her can write you a strong recommendation letter and tell them you don't want your advisor to know about it. People will understand and respect that. After all, the letter will be concentrating on your academic performance.

3. You can always get to a law school and then transfer to a good one. UC Berkeley accepts students even from Tier 3 or Tier 4 law school every year. With your score and background, you can easily get to the 20-50 law school.

作者: Lycus 时间: 2006-12-24 04:14

以下是引用donghaixu在2006-12-23 10:22:00的发言：

Quote<如果我考了165估计就不考虑上法学院了(我的学校和GPA都过了YALE的75%,但还没考LSAT)>Quote

Naive or lacking adequate knowledge is ok - but beware not to mislead.

我的建议是给那个THU+UIUC PHD的, 至于你爱去哪儿读去哪儿读, 去Hogwarts也没人反对

之前说的只是如果我考165就不打算申请了, 也没读的必要, 听不懂的话就不要瞎插嘴

至于学校的75%应该是什么水平, 麻烦你去查查YHS 1^ST YEAR的生源

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作者: 秋天的虫子 时间: 2006-12-24 07:43

以下是引用Lycus在2006-12-24 4:14:00的发言：

我的建议是给那个THU+UIUC PHD的, 至于你爱去哪儿读去哪儿读, 去Hogwarts也没人反对

之前说的只是如果我考165就不打算申请了, 也没读的必要, 听不懂的话就不要瞎插嘴

至于学校的75%应该是什么水平, 麻烦你去查查YHS 1^ST YEAR的生源

BS 你

作者: Lycus 时间: 2006-12-24 09:26

以下是引用秋天的虫子在2006-12-24 7:43:00的发言：

BS 你

你拿什么鄙视我啊??

作者: dr_green 时间: 2006-12-31 23:21
那个。。。大家不要吵嘛～～都是帮人出主意而已出于好心的说＝）
我想问一下哈～那个165的兄弟是在中国考还是在美国考的说？我是在国内考的也是165，而且是本科大四，又没有研究经历或者paper发表。。。。这样是不是没可能上20以前的了？

作者: polyester 时间: 2007-1-1 00:56
yale这几年75％的GPA大概是3.93左右，生源一般HYPS这四所学校就占到了25％以上。所以按照楼主的意思，应该是HYPS这四所学校本科毕业的Summa cum laude。

作者: polyester 时间: 2007-1-1 01:10
另外说一句，怎么今年申请的LSAT成绩都那么高啊？去年申请的中国人（在中国读完本科的）里面好像只有3个超过170的，其中175去了Yale，172去了Michigan，171去了Columbia。今年我听说超过170的就将近10个了，中间还有考满分的。难道今年申请的人数暴涨了么？

作者: mbaer 时间: 2007-1-3 23:42

以下是引用polyester在2007-1-1 1:10:00的发言：
另外说一句，怎么今年申请的LSAT成绩都那么高啊？去年申请的中国人（在中国读完本科的）里面好像只有3个超过170的，其中175去了Yale，172去了Michigan，171去了Columbia。今年我听说超过170的就将近10个了，中间还有考满分的。难道今年申请的人数暴涨了么？

我也有同感。怎么今年这么多上170的？

作者: sisinliag 时间: 2007-1-5 15:32

猜测可能跟ABA的新政策有关

好象不少人都是考了不只一次(有不只一个分数),那位180的女孩也是第一次167吧,好象

作者: Chemist 时间: 2007-1-6 07:19

以下是引用neohawk在2006-12-23 4:36:00的发言：

唉,郁闷呀

我有一个朋友在Duke法学院5月就毕业了，IP law现在的就业市场很好。

你要是有PhD. 人在美国，不需要以国内的人的LSAT标准要求自己。

1.你可以找一个Postdoc，念一些law school的evening section，出来一样很好找工作，因为你的PhD。

2.因为你有美国的PhD，即使law school的rank低一些，也会比较容易找工作，因为你的scientific background.

你在美国那么多年，在美国的生存能力也强很多，比如interview的技巧。

LSAT is not everything.

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