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作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-19 23:53
标题: Ding by Duke, Essay 逻辑不连贯

我觉得我是很适合Duke的,不知道Duke看我那里不顺眼。 XDJM 看看我的问题在哪?

年龄:34

GMAT: 760

GPA: 85/100

BS: Chemical Engineering

MS: Chemistry and Statistics

Work: 1.5 year in China IT, 7.5 year in US Biotech + IT

Essay: so so. Actually I found several grammer errors after submission

大家当成一个不成功的案例吧。对后来的也能起点帮助。


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作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-19 23:58

我觉得年龄稍微有点大。Essay写得很一般。On campus interview的表现还可以。

面试的时候有追问对学校的contribution,我没准备好,瞎答了一起。


作者: pingohuang    时间: 2006-12-19 23:58
是不是觉得你的背景太强了. 拿duke当保底?

作者: tqzw    时间: 2006-12-20 00:03
Not finance related & too competitive this year
作者: madben    时间: 2006-12-20 00:04
以下是引用pingohuang在2006-12-19 23:58:00的发言:
是不是觉得你的背景太强了. 拿duke当保底?

Very possible. Your background is more suitable for EMBA rather than full-time MBA, and the admission comittee doesn't think it is a wise investment for you to quit your decent job to pursue a career change. You may call the office and check what is the reason behind.


作者: eeyupyup    时间: 2006-12-20 00:04
what is your career goal?? Is it specific enough?? Did you convince Duke that it will help you acheive your goal?
作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 00:05

我的背景怎么会很强?被录取的才是强人。


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 00:07

Since I have been in the Biotech IT area for many years, I applied for Duke's Health Care concentration. My short-term goal is to work for business development at major pharma and my long-term goal is to found a biotech/pharma directed software company.

Maybe too much stretch here.


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 00:10
以下是引用madben在2006-12-20 0:04:00的发言:

Very possible. Your background is more suitable for EMBA rather than full-time MBA, and the admission comittee doesn't think it is a wise investment for you to quit your decent job to pursue a career change. You may call the office and check what is the reason behind.

The Duke admission office offers review sessions in June-July next year. I will try to sign up for that.

I agree I am more suitable for the EMBA. I am seriously considering that approach next year. Thanks Madben.


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作者: yaoyao99    时间: 2006-12-20 01:17

If you're not happy with your essays and interview performance, chances are, they weren't incredibly impressed either and thought that you were not taking their application seriously, hence lack of commitment to the program.


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作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 01:30
Bad news. Duke healthcare is my dream. I am even older than you. It is getting tougher and tougher. One problem that I can sense is that your longterm goal is to build a software company, which is not really healthcare. LZ you think about it, does the Duke healthcare really help you on this?

作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 02:56
以下是引用zyesandiego在2006-12-20 1:30:00的发言:
Bad news. Duke healthcare is my dream. I am even older than you. It is getting tougher and tougher. One problem that I can sense is that your longterm goal is to build a software company, which is not really healthcare. LZ you think about it, does the Duke healthcare really help you on this?

Very good point, zyesandiego.

Duke MBA will help my short-term, not long-term goal. There are some gaps between my goals now looking back at this.

I am holding off R2 application to Wharton. One year should be enough to prepare for Wharton 2007.


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 03:02
以下是引用yaoyao99在2006-12-20 1:17:00的发言:

If you're not happy with your essays and interview performance, chances are, they weren't incredibly impressed either and thought that you were not taking their application seriously, hence lack of commitment to the program.


感谢yaoyao99的指点。我当时是被GMAT冲昏了头脑。没把essay太当回事。

咱们知错就改,明年又是一条好汉。


作者: yaoyao99    时间: 2006-12-20 03:19

Hee hee, just making a wild guess based on the information you provided here.

You've got a great profile and an even better attitude.  I'm sure with a set of thoughtful essays, schools would be begging for you to consider their offers next year, =)


作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 03:21
thanks for sharing your experience. i am preparing my duke healthcare application right now. hopefully my short and longterm goals make sense to the school.
by the way, why don't you just try other concentrations rather than healthcare, you still have plenty of time.

作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 03:30
LS, What does 头衔:猪劲傻绝 mean?

作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 03:43
以下是引用yaoyao99在2006-12-20 3:19:00的发言:

Hee hee, just making a wild guess based on the information you provided here.

You've got a great profile and an even better attitude.  I'm sure with a set of thoughtful essays, schools would be begging for you to consider their offers next year, =)

yaoyao: you are so kind.


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 03:49
以下是引用zyesandiego在2006-12-20 3:21:00的发言:
thanks for sharing your experience. i am preparing my duke healthcare application right now. hopefully my short and longterm goals make sense to the school.
by the way, why don't you just try other concentrations rather than healthcare, you still have plenty of time.

I realized I am ill-prepared now and need a long time to prepare. You should apply when you are really ready. A rush application will spoil the fun.

MBA Application is a rewarding process for me. It teaches me to be self-aware and appreciate life.


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 03:52

Oh, this might be useful to fellow applicants:

The health care concentration at Duke MBA requires a second interview. I missed that one and didn't follow up with the health care concentration director (sent one email back and totally forgot about that). However since some people received offer without an interview, this step is not critical. Still this may be useful for people applying in the next round or so.


作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 04:08
LZ, would you mind share with us the whole process of Duke healthcare application?

作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-20 04:28

The Duke healthcare application process is the same as that of normal MBA program. On the application website, there is a checkbox to mark your intention for the healthcare concentration. You need to be admitted to normal MBA first to be considered for health care concentration. There is an extra interview for the healthcare concentration as I mentioned above.

In addition, you need to gear your essays towards why you want to enroll in the healthcare concentration. There is no seperate essay on that topic though.


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作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 07:35
LZ, in Duke MBA application, how did you answer the question: which MBA programs are you applying?

作者: eggie    时间: 2006-12-20 08:51

别再等一年了, 赶紧申请WHARTON, 明年就更大了.


作者: tqzw    时间: 2006-12-20 09:44
people may be misleading you. better essay can not offset stronger competitors.try some less competition schools.
作者: paxlin    时间: 2006-12-20 09:45
Ding by Duke as well. I applied for health care concentration also with no single health care background.  Have been working in finance area for 5 years now in MNC. Pretty satisfactory with my overall application package actually and wondering why got a ding. Anyway, let's move on...
作者: cey23213    时间: 2006-12-20 10:10
LZ, you background is very good, i think everything has a "Luck" element into it, so don't be frustrated, and try Wharton straingt as suggested by NNs. when you get admitted by Wharton, don't forget to come back to share with us.good luck
作者: rememberyd    时间: 2006-12-20 10:36
我也被拒.不过我是感觉ESSAY写的很不好.只是在企盼有幸运.唉.其实尽管自已认为自已综合能力还行,但从我的ESSAY来看,如果他们录了我,对他们还是有风险的.那么差的ESSAY也被录了,对其他人可能不公平.我只能再从自身找原因了.
作者: gobeyond    时间: 2006-12-20 11:04

Hi Leopon,

It seems to me that if you want to switch to HSM, your background is not that strong. I'm not sure about Duke's HSM, but for Wharton HSM, all applicants have very strong background in this area. Most of them are directors and senior managers in small to medium health care related companies.

Although you've been working in biotech company for 7+ years, however, your major role is biostatistics or clinical DBA (my guess ). You really need to polish your essay to show your good understanding of business operation. And I don't think your age is your major problem.

Try to find out the answer from Duke, I believe you'll be fine next year.


作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2006-12-20 11:44
LS, 太吓人了吧, 那我看来是没戏了.你的信息哪儿来的?

作者: lancome130    时间: 2006-12-20 12:06
以下是引用rememberyd在2006-12-20 10:36:00的发言:
我也被拒.不过我是感觉ESSAY写的很不好.只是在企盼有幸运.唉.其实尽管自已认为自已综合能力还行,但从我的ESSAY来看,如果他们录了我,对他们还是有风险的.那么差的ESSAY也被录了,对其他人可能不公平.我只能再从自身找原因了.

Comfort!
作者: abend16    时间: 2006-12-20 15:48

被DUKEding得我好痛!

昨天晚上沐浴焚香...结果看到那份黑糊糊的信当场就崩溃了...原本以为会失眠的,结果一碰到枕头就又睡得口水乱流了...输给我自己!

其实我对整个Duke的package还是蛮满意的,包括面世。不过人家不要我也是可以接受的!看到LZ如此强人...不由心中本能的阿Q一下了...呵呵
咬咬牙,继续坚持...生活还要继续,不是嘛!

在此祝贺各位成功的CDer,也与其他和我一样的失意人共勉之:这部车太挤了我们等一下班吧!


作者: feiyushi    时间: 2006-12-20 16:16
以下是引用abend16在2006-12-20 15:48:00的发言:

被DUKEding得我好痛!

昨天晚上沐浴焚香...结果看到那份黑糊糊的信当场就崩溃了...原本以为会失眠的,结果一碰到枕头就又睡得口水乱流了...输给我自己!

其实我对整个Duke的package还是蛮满意的,包括面世。不过人家不要我也是可以接受的!看到LZ如此强人...不由心中本能的阿Q一下了...呵呵
咬咬牙,继续坚持...生活还要继续,不是嘛!

在此祝贺各位成功的CDer,也与其他和我一样的失意人共勉之:这部车太挤了我们等一下班吧!

楼上的真幽默,顶一下!


作者: samchocolate    时间: 2006-12-20 16:28
以下是引用leapon在2006-12-20 2:56:00的发言:

Very good point, zyesandiego.

Duke MBA will help my short-term, not long-term goal. There are some gaps between my goals now looking back at this.

I am holding off R2 application to Wharton. One year should be enough to prepare for Wharton 2007.

Don't need to wait that long. Columbia has 18-month program deadline Aug 07.


作者: raikennon    时间: 2006-12-20 17:33
感謝leapon的分享,我發現您有一個logical flaw,不曉得您有沒有注意到.您有想過如果沒有DUKE MBA,您還是可以達到您的short-term and long-term goal嗎?關鍵可能在於您的背景太強,讓Duke覺得您就算沒有MBA也可以達到您要的目標.這點或許是您忽略的地方,您參考看看.
作者: sinocheetah    时间: 2006-12-20 20:41
我可能是因为面试的原因了.被Ding的XDJM继续努力啊,一年的时间足够你准备任何学校了.
作者: 澜夕叶子    时间: 2006-12-20 21:34
以下是引用gobeyond在2006-12-20 11:04:00的发言:

Hi Leopon,

It seems to me that if you want to switch to HSM, your background is not that strong. I'm not sure about Duke's HSM, but for Wharton HSM, all applicants have very strong background in this area. Most of them are directors and senior managers in small to medium health care related companies.

Although you've been working in biotech company for 7+ years, however, your major role is biostatistics or clinical DBA (my guess ). You really need to polish your essay to show your good understanding of business operation. And I don't think your age is your major problem.

Try to find out the answer from Duke, I believe you'll be fine next year.

呵呵,偶觉得这个比较有道理,除了“有质量的工作经验”之外。我觉得所谓“优势”和“主流申请人”是相对的,就在近几年,W招过高尔夫球背景的,K招过一个护士。我觉得楼主的背景在DUKE的TYPICAL BACKGROUND里真不一定算强的,但如果在MICHIGAN,CHICAGO,也许他们正想招几个DIVERSE 背景的人,可能更有竞争优势,如果来年再战,不妨考虑一下申请策略——在加强ESSAY之外

好运!


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 02:49
以下是引用raikennon在2006-12-20 17:33:00的发言:
感謝leapon的分享,我發現您有一個logical flaw,不曉得您有沒有注意到.您有想過如果沒有DUKE MBA,您還是可以達到您的short-term and long-term goal嗎?關鍵可能在於您的背景太強,讓Duke覺得您就算沒有MBA也可以達到您要的目標.這點或許是您忽略的地方,您參考看看.

MBA是一个工具。要挖 career goal 这个大坑用工具快一点。可能是 Duke 看我都挖了半天了,挖得手上的茧子都出来了,觉得就不用给我一把铁锨了。


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 02:52
以下是引用abend16在2006-12-20 15:48:00的发言:

被DUKEding得我好痛!

昨天晚上沐浴焚香...结果看到那份黑糊糊的信当场就崩溃了...原本以为会失眠的,结果一碰到枕头就又睡得口水乱流了...输给我自己!

其实我对整个Duke的package还是蛮满意的,包括面世。不过人家不要我也是可以接受的!看到LZ如此强人...不由心中本能的阿Q一下了...呵呵
咬咬牙,继续坚持...生活还要继续,不是嘛!

在此祝贺各位成功的CDer,也与其他和我一样的失意人共勉之:这部车太挤了我们等一下班吧!

听到有申请Wharton五次才得门而入的。革命尚未成功,同志仍需努力。


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 02:55
以下是引用zyesandiego在2006-12-20 7:35:00的发言:
LZ, in Duke MBA application, how did you answer the question: which MBA programs are you applying?

照当时情况回答就好了。

我添的时候有Darden, 当时准备要申请的。不过后来也没有递上去。计划赶不上变化。


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 02:57
以下是引用paxlin在2006-12-20 9:45:00的发言:
Ding by Duke as well. I applied for health care concentration also with no single health care background.  Have been working in finance area for 5 years now in MNC. Pretty satisfactory with my overall application package actually and wondering why got a ding. Anyway, let's move on...

看来不少申请health care的,让我想起了独木桥。。。


作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 03:07
以下是引用gobeyond在2006-12-20 11:04:00的发言:

Hi Leopon,

It seems to me that if you want to switch to HSM, your background is not that strong. I'm not sure about Duke's HSM, but for Wharton HSM, all applicants have very strong background in this area. Most of them are directors and senior managers in small to medium health care related companies.

Although you've been working in biotech company for 7+ years, however, your major role is biostatistics or clinical DBA (my guess ). You really need to polish your essay to show your good understanding of business operation. And I don't think your age is your major problem.

Try to find out the answer from Duke, I believe you'll be fine next year.

I was a happy camper in the IT filed until this June. After I decided to go for biz school this summer, Initially I thought a good GMAT will carry me through. That may be true for 2nd tier MBA schools, but for top 10 schools, they never lack applicants with high GMAT scores. I believe biz school is looking for people on the management track with potential. If a candidate doesn't possess such quality, he/she should show solid attempts in amending such deficiencies. Those attempts includes but not limited to leadership in community efforts, taking business-related courses, acquiring business-related certificates (CFA, CPA, etc). I realized this too late and therefore don't have strong material in my essays.

I did learn plenty from this experience. Now I begin to really like the business aspects (for my long-term goal) and I am looking forward to fill myself up on accounting, marketing and finance knowledges. For people with similar interests, we can have a business book-club to collaborate and educate ourselves. MIT open course is a good place to get started. The Sloan courses are listed there and we can get textbook information and course syllabuses.


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作者: gobeyond    时间: 2006-12-21 04:45

加油,我觉得这个industry很好的。


作者: yalemba2007    时间: 2006-12-21 09:46
好久没过来看看了. 听说Duke有结果了, 就过来瞧瞧leapon兄和madben两位怎么样了. 其实leapon兄ding by Duke实在没有什么遗憾的.以你在美国IT工作7年的经历, 去读一个Duke的Full time MBA, 很难让人信服有这个必要. 看看这个数据. 2005年Duke, Median base salary forgone to enter program, $55,000. 还有Duke 40%多的Selectivity, 40%多的yield. Duke的录取率逐年上升, yield逐年下降还是很能说明些问题的, 尽管我没做过太多研究.我是录取官的话, 都觉得你没这个必要,心里嘀咕你根本不会把俺Duke作为首选,是把俺拿来垫背的吧.要是录了你了,你又不来, 我们的yield又要往下降了. 所以象madben说的, EMBA可能更适合你.
作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 10:14

Thanks buddy.

Good luck to your application.


作者: gobeyond    时间: 2006-12-21 10:58
有道理,我也建议leapon兄申请EMBA或者part-time MBA,然后考虑业内转型比较稳妥。
作者: barefootmarmot    时间: 2006-12-21 14:43
leapon兄,
请教你IT+Bio具体是怎样的一个情况呢?能否介绍一下?
我看Duke的网站上介绍HSM说似乎对于背景不是非常要求严格?
多谢。

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作者: leapon    时间: 2006-12-21 21:23
以下是引用barefootmarmot在2006-12-21 14:43:00的发言:
leapon兄,
请教你IT+Bio具体是怎样的一个情况呢?能否介绍一下?
我看Duke的网站上介绍HSM说似乎对于背景不是非常要求严格?
多谢。

I work at the IT department of a biotech company. My responsibility is project management

and development for internal software requirement.

You don't need healthcare background to enroll in Duke HSM program.


作者: barefootmarmot    时间: 2006-12-25 14:43
Thanks again.

It seemed we had some common b/g. Good luck to your next Round application.




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