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标题: 885 SEC E 4 多余的逗号? [打印本页]

作者: yzlinlin    时间: 2003-10-26 00:54
标题: 885 SEC E 4 多余的逗号?
4.    In June, 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.
(A) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(B) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(C) claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom
(D) claimed to have visions of the Virgin Mary, who
(E) had claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom

答案A,agree.
但claimed 之前的逗号是否完全可以去掉?

作者: gemj    时间: 2003-10-26 01:01
我觉得还是保留为好。
作者: jenhsuan80    时间: 2003-10-30 20:29
why not C?

"whom +S+V" in which whom plays as a object in the sentence..

so why cant we choose C?

Thanks ^^
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-10-30 21:04
who作has continued to appear 的主语,并非they say 的宾语。
they say 是插入成份。
作者: jenhsuan80    时间: 2003-10-30 22:11
Thank you!!! ^^
作者: lena_lee_sh    时间: 2003-11-4 11:37
请问D为什么不对啊?
作者: yzlinlin    时间: 2003-11-4 11:51
D错在时态,have vision 发生在claim 前面,宜用完成时。
作者: may1129    时间: 2003-12-13 00:13
答案A,agree.
但claimed 之前的逗号是否完全可以去掉? <- no

XX that happened in Beijing, China, indicates that ....


作者: kevintong    时间: 2004-3-17 14:52
有插入语
作者: tony6    时间: 2004-6-9 16:14
以下是引用yzlinlin在2003-11-4 11:51:00的发言:
D错在时态,have vision 发生在claim 前面,宜用完成时。

885-B19.   Balzac drank more than fifty cups of coffee a day and died of caffeine poisoning; furthermore, caffeine did not seem to bother Samuel Johnson, the great writer and lexicographer, who was reported to have drunk twenty-five cups of tea at one sitting.


(A) furthermore, caffeine did not seem to bother


(B) however, caffeine did not seem to bother


(C) however, caffeine did not seem to have bothered


(D) furthermore, caffeine did not seem to have botheredB


(E) in addition, caffeine did not seem to bother


If you are right, why not C?

or another example appling double criterion?
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-9 16:17:16编辑过]

作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-6-10 08:42

我认为seem不是个实意词,而claim实意,故seem不存在过去的过去这个概念,只有过去的概念,有网友找过一直未发现seemed to have done这种表达方式, 而 seem to have done有,表过去。


作者: tony6    时间: 2004-6-10 09:11
谢谢JNLVO,看来SC也考你的灵活运用语法知识的能力,有时也不能太钻牛角尖。
作者: egretxm    时间: 2004-8-7 00:16
以下是引用gemj在2003-10-30 21:04:00的发言:
who作has continued to appear 的主语,并非they say 的宾语。
they say 是插入成份。

完全同意。但L理解成whom 作they say 的宾语也似乎可以:they say virgin Mary has continued to apper....

金山词霸的例子: . He said he wanted to go to town

唯一的缺陷大概是: ETS认为宾语从句的引导词不能省略---- 这是排出C的原因么?


作者: egretxm    时间: 2004-8-7 00:31
以下是引用yzlinlin在2003-11-4 11:51:00的发言:
D错在时态,have vision 发生在claim 前面,宜用完成时。

同意,还有一个例句: Fishermen and sailors sometimes claim to have seen monsters in the sea.


但有一点不明白: claim to do sth 的用法有没有? 它表示什么情况? 是表示声称将要做,或是笼统的表示和claim 同时的一个动作?  


作者: best555tw    时间: 2005-2-28 11:05
UP
作者: sandiegotj    时间: 2005-8-15 23:09

six teenagers claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, who they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing years.


想不通


为什么前面声称发现的时候是建立在过去时的基础上


后面描述玛丽亚时又建立在现在是的基础上呢?



作者: sandiegotj    时间: 2005-8-15 23:11
以下是引用egretxm在2004-8-7 0:16:00的发言:


完全同意。但L理解成whom 作they say 的宾语也似乎可以:they say virgin Mary has continued to apper....

金山词霸的例子: . He said he wanted to go to town

唯一的缺陷大概是: ETS认为宾语从句的引导词不能省略---- 这是排出C的原因么?



这句话虽然省略了that,但是Virgin Mary也不是say的宾语啊!!
作者: sandiegotj    时间: 2005-8-15 23:16

最后,我在google上搜索


"claimed to have visions"有1360多个网页


"claimed to have had visions"有460多个网页……


而且网页内同相似,都是说看到了Jesus或者Mary之类的


作者: sandiegotj    时间: 2005-8-15 23:19

我的妈呀……重大发现……


In June 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzogovina), claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing 10 years.


这个是对一本书的评论,出现在amazon的网站上


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031218204X/103-4198730-7447068?v=glance


作者: 潜龙勿用    时间: 2005-8-16 14:32
以下是引用sandiegotj在2005-8-15 23:19:00的发言:

我的妈呀……重大发现……


In June 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzogovina), claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing 10 years.


这个是对一本书的评论,出现在amazon的网站上


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031218204X/103-4198730-7447068?v=glance



Whom should be changed to who.
作者: nyc_cfa    时间: 2005-8-17 11:03
以下是引用sandiegotj在2005-8-15 23:19:00的发言:

我的妈呀……重大发现……


In June 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzogovina), claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing 10 years.


这个是对一本书的评论,出现在amazon的网站上


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031218204X/103-4198730-7447068?v=glance


考, 这怎么办啊? 信谁的阿?


作者: nyc_cfa    时间: 2005-8-17 11:06

看来是whom, 随手google一下


They tout the educational attainment and career accomplishments of women whom
they say thrive in the "liberating" and "uplifting" lifestyle of plural marriage.


A former minister of irrigation – and one whom they say was often hard at work
far from his office – he dealt even more briskly with the preposterous idea that
Umm Qasr might fall.


作者: sandiegotj    时间: 2005-8-17 16:07

呵呵,用google也能搜索出来who they say吧……


用whom的时候肯定是现行词在从句中作宾语,如果是这样的话,只能做say的宾语,而they say Virgin Mary has continued to...肯定是不对的,一句话不能有两个实意动词阿。


say后面应该加that变成从句,这样Virgin Mary就不是一个宾语了,就谈不上用whom了


但是我的问题是,claimed to have visions of...和claimed to have had visions of有什么区别?


原文用的是claimed to have ..而且利用google搜索,发现用这个短语的也比用claimed to have had...更多一些。


而且两种用法应该都比较书面


华盛顿邮报上可意搜到Scientists Claim to Find Cells That Restore Egg Production


而bbc的新闻中可意搜到american researchers claim to have found convincing evidence that..


作者: zenger    时间: 2005-9-11 13:39

我对本题原文有疑义。


原文应该有两处错误


1)whom应为who


2) they say has continued 应为they said had continued


虽然是《出版人周刊》(publisher weekly)这种权威杂志,还是可能出现语法错误的。


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-8 21:09

我亂掉了....


"claimed to have had " or " claimed to have"


"who" or "whom"??


anyone can help?


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-12 23:22
up up~~~~~~~~~
作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-18 10:04
up up~~~ anybody??
作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-21 17:47

up.........up..................dead!


i am gonna give up on this one now!


作者: ivygirl    时间: 2005-12-12 23:32
up
作者: fannyyudan    时间: 2006-3-21 11:13

up!


NN们,救命啊,claimed to have 与claimed to have had,谁来指点迷津


作者: hawkinsxie    时间: 2006-5-6 23:23
又是一个多月了,我也推一把。
作者: 当当84    时间: 2006-6-7 13:25

同意,they say 为插入语,也就是说 Mary(who)has continued to appear...

但是为什么前半句用have had vision,而后面用has contitnued?

我理解havd had vision 是应为have vision 是发生在claim之前的,这里claim用的是过去时,那么have vision 应该为过去完成时,也就是had had vision ,但是由于在他之前有一个claimed to,had had vision就要改成claimed to have had vision(动词原型),这样的理解对吗?

那么has contitnued又是什么原因?


作者: moomoo    时间: 2006-6-20 07:30

偶的理解是:

1. 六小孩claim的时候(1981,claimed),他们已经见过/甚至一直还有见着(that they had had vision -> to have had);现在,六大人(say)直到现在他们还见着(has continued to appear);

2. Samual Johnson在世的时候(过去,seemed),Caffine没有骚他(bothered -> to bother);

所以,拿掉claim/seem,如果是过去完成就改完成,是一般过去就改现在。

至于那两道黑黑有名的be known to, 偶的理解是:

拿掉be known to, 两个都是现在完成:few ppl have tasted without requesting / few ppl have recovered...

所以如果是be known to, 就要接完成;如果是have been known to,就要接现在(简言之,不能完成接完成,现在接现在)

建筑中....欢迎板砖


作者: zimerman    时间: 2006-8-1 10:38
悬案
作者: 盈儿    时间: 2006-9-9 19:12
以下是引用sandiegotj在2005-8-15 23:19:00的发言:

我的妈呀……重大发现……

In June 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzogovina), claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing 10 years.

这个是对一本书的评论,出现在amazon的网站上

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031218204X/103-4198730-7447068?v=glance

一摸一样的原句!!!

咳咳,估计大全答案得改了


作者: simona    时间: 2006-9-15 16:46

到底选什么哦。

应该whom 那个才对


作者: Bill06    时间: 2006-9-25 06:12
以下是引用盈儿在2006-9-9 19:12:00的发言:

一摸一样的原句!!!

咳咳,估计大全答案得改了

真的是原句呐!!

这么说答案是C了!!


作者: ana9    时间: 2006-10-29 03:48
以下是引用盈儿在2006-9-9 19:12:00的发言:

一摸一样的原句!!!

咳咳,估计大全答案得改了

Really   重大发现……

Then "C"??


作者: YAWYR    时间: 2006-11-2 15:22

呵呵,这个比较有意思,牛啊!


作者: YAWYR    时间: 2006-11-2 15:26
以下是引用sandiegotj在2005-8-15 23:19:00的发言:

我的妈呀……重大发现……

In June 1981, six teenagers in the village of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzogovina), claimed to have had visions of the Virgin Mary, whom they say has continued to appear to them over the ensuing 10 years.

这个是对一本书的评论,出现在amazon的网站上

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/031218204X/103-4198730-7447068?v=glance

 

是不是还能google出更多的考题出来?

 

 


作者: christinaish    时间: 2006-12-28 23:08

我也觉得应该是C,因为从语法上来说whom及其后的从句是指代前面Virgin Mary,而Virgin Mary在前一句中是宾语,指代它的应该是宾格的whom而非who,虽然whom在其从句中是has continue to appear的主语。they say是插入语,whom并非they say的宾语。支持google搜出的原句。

个人愚见,希望有助大家理解!


作者: fd983314    时间: 2007-1-11 22:52
看起来是C。汗。。。。。
作者: ice_stone    时间: 2008-1-11 22:44
这题好含
作者: 太阳狮子    时间: 2008-10-1 18:16
找出原句也不能说那地方就是whom而不是who,评论本身也有可能是错滴!我仍然很纠结这地方到底用who还是whom.....
作者: zijing4546    时间: 2009-1-2 09:11
怎么觉得这个"they say"时态好怪啊




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