有沒有人可以幫我解OG邏輯題目:
#167(E)的答案錯在哪?
#172.#200#203.請解釋(有點不懂ETS的說法)
#198(D)(E)的答案刪除的理由
還請好心的人能儘速幫幫我
og-198,
why B is wrong, doesn't B bring out the reason,other than new process, that contribute to the sucess of the trial, ?-- so weaken the conclusion.
谢谢light把题目贴出来。
楼上各位问问题的XDJM下次请记得把题目贴全。还有，一个题目发一个贴，方便搜索和讨论。谢谢！
B项如何翻译啊：analysis of the trial of the new process showed that the cost reduction during the trial was entirely contributable to a reduction in the umber of finished products rejected by quality control
这个umber是什么？OG的解释说since finding the source of the cost savings shows that the savings were no mere accident and so reinforces the conclusion.如何理解？
B项如何翻译啊：analysis of the trial of the new process showed that the cost reduction during the trial was entirely contributable to a reduction in the umber of finished products rejected by quality control
这个umber是什么？OG的解释说since finding the source of the cost savings shows that the savings were no mere accident and so reinforces the conclusion.如何理解？
light认为D和E是无关项，可是OG关于D和E的解释是support, 解释如下：
Choices D and E are incorrect since by emphasizing that certain aspects of the product - its design and raw materials - were the same in the standard process and the new process, these two answer choices SUPPORT, rather than cast doubt on, the conclusion that the process itself produced the saving.
不明白为何是support?
D说根据新的流程做出来的最终产品与老产品一样，并没有什么不同；
E说新老流程的唯一不同之处在于组织生产的阶段不同，而在生产过程中所用的材料的成本是一样的。
上边两个选项实际上是排除了原文结论被削弱的可能，即可能因为是产品本身不同了或者产品所用的成本改变了，才导致成本下降的。
也就是说，通过排除它因，支持了原文的观点。
OPEN TO DISCUSS。
D说根据新的流程做出来的最终产品与老产品一样，并没有什么不同；
E说新老流程的唯一不同之处在于组织生产的阶段不同，而在生产过程中所用的材料的成本是一样的。
上边两个选项实际上是排除了原文结论被削弱的可能，即可能因为是产品本身不同了或者产品所用的成本改变了，才导致成本下降的。
也就是说，通过排除它因，支持了原文的观点。
OPEN TO DISCUSS。
light认为D和E是无关项，可是OG关于D和E的解释是support, 解释如下：
Choices D and E are incorrect since by emphasizing that certain aspects of the product - its design and raw materials - were the same in the standard process and the new process, these two answer choices SUPPORT, rather than cast doubt on, the conclusion that the process itself produced the saving.
不明白为何是support?
材料成本相同，在新process让总成本下降15% ->support “the new process did produce a cost savings” 我也认为是无关选项，哪位NN来解释一下吧! 关于C我的疑问：(D) Although some of the factory’s managers have been arguing that the product is outdated and ought to be redesigned, the use of the new production process does not involve any changes in the finished product.
作者: HHB 时间: 2005-8-26 15:53
还是觉得B对啊，B应该是提出另一种原因吧。请NN解答一下：）
My understanding:
Assuming the question wants to weaken the following argument: new process showed 15% cost reduction, compared to old performance of standard process => new process produces cost saving.
B looks like to be an answer mode that other factor (other than new process) causes the cost saving.
However, it is not the case. If it is true, then "the other factor" must have nothing to do with the new process. But, choice B indicates that the result of new process has a connection with the reduced number of rejected finished products. So, choice B is not weaken, but support that the new process has connection with the cost saving caused by reduced number of rejected finished products.
Welcome NN to comment!
To make more clear:
The new process makes those finished products. Now, quality control rejects less number of finished products.
So, the new process has a connection with the reduced number of rejected finished products. Thus, "the reduced number of rejected finished products" is not a factor independent out of the new process. It is actually accompanied with the new process.
大家认为这是因果题型吗? 可原文并没有说生产过程是唯一原因啊! 为什么还用非A->B 来削弱呢?
我记得MINDFREE 说过一道题,A->B,用非A-B来削弱不好,实在没有办法才选,如OG131,这题是这样吗?
198,D无关我觉得，题目说的是降低成本的问题
大家认为这是因果题型吗? 可原文并没有说生产过程是唯一原因啊! 为什么还用非A->B 来削弱呢?
我记得MINDFREE 说过一道题,A->B,用非A-B来削弱不好,实在没有办法才选,如OG131,这题是这样吗?
我觉得这是因果题，原文的推导是A(new process)--->B(reducing costs)，原因的唯一性
但并没有用非A---〉B来削弱，因为选项只是提供证明否定new process作为原因，因为没有采取new process的产品也reducing costs了，但没有指出导致其成本降低的其他原因。
不好意思，非A应该就是他因吧
“可原文并没有说生产过程是唯一原因啊!”我觉得对于唯一不唯一的问题，是优先级较低的思路，如果抓着“是不是唯一原因”的原则来判断，很多削弱题就没法做了。像131是明确说了“原因不唯一”这一点的（partly）所以他因不能构成削弱。（好像137-A也是，并且OG10解释明确说了因为原因不唯一排除的，但是原文中并没有暗示词。。。）
继续讨论。。。。。
D说根据新的流程做出来的最终产品与老产品一样，并没有什么不同；
E说新老流程的唯一不同之处在于组织生产的阶段不同，而在生产过程中所用的材料的成本是一样的。
上边两个选项实际上是排除了原文结论被削弱的可能，即可能因为是产品本身不同了或者产品所用的成本改变了，才导致成本下降的。
也就是说，通过排除它因，支持了原文的观点。
OPEN TO DISCUSS。
by emphasizing that certain aspects of product ....were the same
in the standard process and the new process,these two answer choices support rather than cast doubt.
我的理解是两种方法下的产品什么什么都一样，这种情况下new process还能够节约15%成本，不是应该prefer的吗？故构成支持。思路有所不同，还指教。
终于明白咯～
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