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标题: OG-39,49 现在分词放在句尾的修饰 [打印本页]

作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-24 08:16
标题: OG-39,49 现在分词放在句尾的修饰
39. For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

a method to protect
as a method protecting
protecting
as a protection of
to protect
Choice C is best because the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did. Choices A and B awkwardly use the singular word method to refer to items of military equipment rather than to the use of such items. Also, a method of protecting would be more idiomatic than a method to protect in A or a method protecting in B. In B and D, as is incorrect; also, a protection in D has no noun for which it can logically substitute. Choice E is incomplete; used to protect would have been acceptable.

49. The cameras of the Voyager II spacecraft detected six small, previously unseen moons circling Uranus, which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting the distant planet

which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting
doubling to twelve the number of satellites now known to orbit
which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known in orbit around
doubling to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting
which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known that orbit
The pronoun which should be used to refer to a previously mentioned noun, not to the idea expressed in an entire clause. In A, C, and E, which seems to refer to a vague concept involving the detection of moons, but there is no specific noun, such as detection, to which it can refer. Also in E, the use of the phrasing the number... now known that orbit is ungrammatical and unclear. B and D use the correct participial form, doubling, to modify the preceding clause, but D, like A, uses known as orbiting rather than known to orbit, a phrase that is more idiomatic in context. B, therefore, is the best answer.

T39题,protecting修饰的是什么?要不要考虑什么发起者?

T49,doubling修饰的是什么?

现在分词短词在句末,是如何判断修饰的什么呢?我一直不明白.不知哪位能讲讲?

谢谢. 





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作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-24 08:53
39、the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did,动作的发起者就是shields,句子主语。

49、这里modify the preceding clause,现在分词在句尾,可以做定语、伴随状语、目的状语(结果状语)。我认为这里做结果状语。比较灵活,要根据句子意思来判断。
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-24 17:48
可是,为何现在分词有时又修饰前面的主句,有进又修饰前面的句子呢?

在判断现在分词在句末修饰什么,有什么标准吗?


谢谢.
作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-24 23:05
现在分词做定语时,其一定有修饰对象,一般情况下,在句尾做定语,其逻辑主语是句子主语,但是还是要根据句子意思来判断;
做状语时,如果是表示伴随动作,一般情况下是修饰主句的动作谓语;如果做伴随结果,是修饰整个句子。
所以,以上主要都是通过句子意思来判断的。
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-27 08:06
brave GG,谢谢你.

现在分词放在句尾的修饰,我一直糊涂呢.头都痛了.

咱们拿题说,好吗?

T39,protecting修饰的是shield,是作状语吗,解释性状语?
T49,doubling,修饰的是前面的句子,是做状语,表示结果?

我还是晕.

昨晚查了LZM和张道真的语法书,这方面没有非常明确的说法.只是说放在句尾,表示状语时,有表示伴随或表示结果?

或者换个角度来想,不用考虑用什么样的状语,只要考虑修饰的是谁?有什么标准吗?(考试中是不是只考修饰的是谁?)

谢谢.
作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-27 09:41
T39 感觉是定语,修饰句子主语
T49 感觉是结果状语
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-27 10:00
怎么回事呢???
作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-27 10:48
JOY,39你可以这样理解:
animal-hide shields with wooden frames protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears were essential items of military equipment

只不过分词短语放在主谓之间太累赘,所以放在了句尾。还记得TOEFL里有很多这样的分词做定语的形式吗?

如果分词修饰的是名词,一定是做定语;如果修饰的是谓语动词,通常是伴随动作状语;如果修饰的整个句子,通常是结果状语,例如第二题。

MAKE SENSE?
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-27 11:53
brave GG:

可不可以这样讲:

修饰名词就是做定语,如T39.

修饰前面句子的就是做状语,

可是问题是,我就是没搞清现在分词放在句尾究竟修饰的是什么啊???
作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-27 12:20
修饰名词就是做定语,如T39.

修饰前面句子的就是做状语,

对!
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可是问题是,我就是没搞清现在分词放在句尾究竟修饰的是什么啊???

这要根据句子意思,如果修饰的是句子主语或者就近的名词,就是定语;如果修饰的是动词或者是句子,则是状语。
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-27 14:56
多谢brave GG的耐心解释.我再好好体会一下.谢谢你的帮助.
作者: ditto88    时间: 2003-10-27 20:42
为什么不能用不定式作定语呢? OG39的E选项不觉的错啊!
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-28 09:25
up.
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-29 20:23
再次请教:

在LZM 111,现在分词在句末只有表示伴随方式 或伴随结果。没有表示定语的。

可不可这样理解:

OG39, protecting is modified to shield ,表示伴随情况的,所以逻辑主语与主语同。

OG49,doubling is modified to the previous clause, 表示伴随结果的,所以逻辑主语是前面的句子。

我查了张道真的现在分词作定语:

1)表示正在进行的动作

Tell the children playing there not to make so much noise.

2)表示经常性或现在的状态

They lived in a room facing the south.

现在分词表示定语的,都直接紧跟名词,所以OG39, 现在分词不是做定语。

对吗?

还有一个OG229,

.... the technique degrades major works of art, likening it to putting lipstick on a Greek status.

这题中,likening 表示伴随情况,作比较用,所以修饰的是technique ,对吗?

谢谢。


作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-10-29 22:00
LZM的有些原则绝对了些。我认为这里是定语,只是说现分在句尾优先做状语,但是不是不能做定语,OG39不是表示伴随的含义。而OG229我认为是状语,感觉应该是修饰整个句子,因为说的是“把....比做”,是将的technique degrades major works of art的这个过程。

不过,这个差异我认为并不是特别影响做题。所以更凸现句子意思的重要性。
个人意见。
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-29 22:08
OG229,是修饰前面的句子,看来我现在分词还是没过关啊。

LZM书中这么讲,我还查了张道真的语法书了,也没讲到现在分词隔那么多做定语的。

不明白????
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-10-30 08:18
这个再瞧瞧,还是没搞清楚。

究竟现在分词放在句尾能否作定语呢?
作者: remeo    时间: 2003-11-2 22:59
39. For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

a method to protect
as a method protecting
protecting
as a protection of
to protect
Choice C is best because the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did. Choices A and B awkwardly use the singular word method to refer to items of military equipment rather than to the use of such items. Also, a method of protecting would be more idiomatic than a method to protect in A or a method protecting in B. In B and D, as is incorrect; also, a protection in D has no noun for which it can logically substitute. Choice E is incomplete; used to protect would have been acceptable.

是啊,这道题还是不太明白,protecting是如BRAVEMBA所说,做定语修饰 animal-hide shields 吗?好象没见过这种单独用一个分句的形式来做定语的,更常见的情况应该是现在分词在句尾单独一分句做状语。请指点!
作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-11-2 23:12
brave GG, OG 39是你错了。

你听我说:

如果做定语,要紧跟修饰的名词。也可能是跳跃修饰时,前面不能加逗号,要直接使用。如: A do B doing .   so ,doing is modified  B ,not A.

A do B ,doing :前面有逗号,作状语,有两种情况:一是做伴随方式。I came into the room , laughing and smiling .逻辑主语是主语。另一种是做结果,修饰的是前一句,如OG 39和OG49。OG中有相当多的句子是第二种情况。
作者: remeo    时间: 2003-11-2 23:26
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-2 23:12:00的发言:
brave GG, OG 39是你错了。

你听我说:

如果做定语,要紧跟修饰的名词。也可能是跳跃修饰时,前面不能加逗号,要直接使用。如: A do B doing .   so ,doing is modified  B ,not A.

A do B ,doing :前面有逗号,作状语,有两种情况:一是做伴随方式。I came into the room , laughing and smiling .逻辑主语是主语。另一种是做结果,修饰的是前一句,如OG 39和OG49。OG中有相当多的句子是第二种情况。


不过想想protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears是确实更应该修饰animal-hide shields ,在意思上比起做状语来要讲得通一些,你认为呢?

期待NN阁兄来说几句啊!

作者: joywzy    时间: 2003-11-2 23:28
有请阁兄!!!!
作者: remeo    时间: 2003-11-3 23:04
阁兄及各位NN:

期待中……
作者: brunhild    时间: 2003-11-3 23:32
T39我做的时候思路是这样的,请大家指教!
句子主语是SHIELDS, 首先排除A,B,D选项
to 结构在句未一般只能表示人的目的,而SHIELD本身不能发出目的,只有people built shields to protect才MAKE SENSE。
这里的ING分词作状语,表伴随状态,提供背景,交代句子主语的功能。
作者: braveMBA    时间: 2003-11-4 00:04
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-2 23:12:00的发言:
brave GG, OG 39是你错了。

你听我说:

如果做定语,要紧跟修饰的名词。也可能是跳跃修饰时,前面不能加逗号,要直接使用。如: A do B doing .   so ,doing is modified  B ,not A.

A do B ,doing :前面有逗号,作状语,有两种情况:一是做伴随方式。I came into the room , laughing and smiling .逻辑主语是主语。另一种是做结果,修饰的是前一句,如OG 39和OG49。OG中有相当多的句子是第二种情况。


现在分词修饰,没有逗号的规则,即其在即可做定语也可做状语,要根据句子意思。OG39的PROTECTING我认为就是定语,修饰主语,只不过如果放在主语后太长,显得罗嗦,所以置后了。做状语从意思上觉得很难讲通。不过此题句子成分并不影响做题。
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-11-4 16:41
remeo、joywzy,抱歉!这几天我忙着看自己的帖子,没有看见你们在这里有这么精彩、热烈的讨论。

虽然我认为理解为状语更容易让人接受,但我刚才查了语法书,确认braveMBA的下列说法是正确的。
以下是引用braveMBA在2003-10-24 23:05:00的发言:
现在分词做定语时,其一定有修饰对象,一般情况下,在句尾做定语,其逻辑主语是句子主语,但是还是要根据句子意思来判断;
做状语时,如果是表示伴随动作,一般情况下是修饰主句的动作谓语;如果做伴随结果,是修饰整个句子。
所以,以上主要都是通过句子意思来判断的。

BTW,还有一句话我怎么没有找到:现在分词作状语表结果一般放在句未。

而且,这里如果理解为定语也不是不可以。同意braveMBA说的,如何理解不影响做题。

joywzy的这个说法也很有新意,是来自语法书,还是你个人的理解。但我想不管怎样,都是很精彩的。
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-2 23:12:00的发言:
如果做定语,要紧跟修饰的名词。也可能是跳跃修饰时,前面不能加逗号,要直接使用。如: A do B doing .   so ,doing is modified  B ,not A.

A do B ,doing :前面有逗号,作状语,有两种情况:一是做伴随方式。I came into the room , laughing and smiling .逻辑主语是主语。另一种是做结果,修饰的是前一句,如OG 39和OG49。OG中有相当多的句子是第二种情况。







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作者: anchoret    时间: 2003-11-4 17:57
以下是引用braveMBA在2003-10-24 8:53:00的发言:
39、the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did,动作的发起者就是shields,句子主语。

49、这里modify the preceding clause,现在分词在句尾,可以做定语、伴随状语、目的状语(结果状语)。我认为这里做结果状语。比较灵活,要根据句子意思来判断。


我同意bravemba的观点。
补充一点。49题可以补出先行词the result(指代前面整个一句话)

作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-2-22 15:04

原答案:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.             protecting作定语用。fficeffice" />


    


根据提示可否有以下几个答案:


改进1For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, used to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.


    


以上两个句子的末尾都是是作定语修饰animal-hide shields with wooden frames;但是[改进1]句子中的:used to protect更确切,比protecting 更易理解为定语。


    


改进2For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method of protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.


    

这个改进后的句子是否正确,可否理解为,a method是逗号前面的同位语部分呢?


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-2-22 15:05
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作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-2-22 23:28
     个人观点,改进1和改进2都不好


     protecting作定语用,逻辑主语是animal-hide shields with wooden frames ,结构非常清晰


    改进1:used to protect 过去分词做定语的话,第一:前面的逗号多余,第二:意思 上有区别,改进的句子是military equipment 被用做保护。。。。原句是animal-hide shields with wooden frames 保护。。。。


改进2:同位语的话,就是说military equipment是a method ,逻辑概念不对等


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-2-23 16:39
以下是引用braveMBA在2003-10-24 23:05:00的发言:
现在分词做定语时,其一定有修饰对象,一般情况下,在句尾做定语,其逻辑主语是句子主语,但是还是要根据句子意思来判断;


哪一本语法书上有这个观点?我怎么都找不到吗?


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-2-23 17:31
谢谢D兄,我想以下改进1的再改进:


改进1的再改进For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, used to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment. 是否是正确的?


或者将原答案:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.    


改为:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment.    是否更准确?


作者: rose1100xu    时间: 2004-4-16 11:11
为什么不选E to protect 呢?
作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-16 14:36

我感觉to do 放句未,在gmat中99%错,我还没印象有对的例子,而且to do本身单独用一般有表目的意味,这里没这个意思。to do在gmat中多用于词组。


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作者: bon    时间: 2004-4-16 15:29

听大虾们这么解释,完全清楚了!


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-5-17 04:43

请问一下:39-B/D的as为什么是incorrect?


作者: 我爱宝宝    时间: 2004-5-19 02:48

stoneren :as是连词,不能这么用。


以下是引用JerryGuan在2004-2-23 17:31:00的发言:
谢谢D兄,我想以下改进1的再改进:
改进1的再改进For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, used to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment. 是否是正确的?
或者将原答案:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.
改为:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment. 是否更准确?


个人认为改进2正确,原因一见og191答案d的解释


Lawmakers are examining measures that would require banks to disclose all fees and account requirements in writing, provide free cashing of government checks, and to create basic savings accounts to carry minimal fees and require minimal initial deposits.


(A)  provide free cashing of government checks, and to create basic savings accounts to carry


(B)   provide free cashing of government checks, and creating basic savings accounts carrying


(C)  to provide free cashing of government checks, and creating basic savings accounts that carry


(D)  to provide free cashing of government checks, creating basic savings accounts to carry


(E)   to provide free cashing of government checks, and to create basic savings accounts that carry


Choice E, the best answer, is the only choice that maintains parallelism with the infinitive phrases to disclose..., [to] provide ..., and to create .... In A and B, the second element lacks the infinitive marker to. Choice C loses parallelism by shifting to a participial phrase, creating .... Choice D loses parallelism by dropping the conjunction and', a modification problem results because the participial phrase creating ... attaches to the noun checks, thus distorting the meaning of the last element of the parallel construction.



原因2,protecting〉〉好于used to protect ,更简洁



我的问题,为什么答案D中creating basic savings accounts to carry 不能成为 to provide


free cashing of government checks的结果壮语?是以下可能原因吗:to provide free


cashing of government checks的逻辑主语是banks ,而banks provide free cashing of


government checks,creating basic savings accounts to carry 句中creating basic savings


accounts to carry 优先成为定语???怎么感觉这么怪啊???



请牛牛指点,怎样区分在句末的定语修饰和壮语修饰啊?我发现自己问了个和楼主一样的问题。


又重新看了原贴,还是糊涂啊。


请牛牛指点。


作者: 我爱宝宝    时间: 2004-5-20 07:07
up!
作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-26 10:23
以下是引用stoneren在2004-5-17 4:43:00的发言:

请问一下:39-B/D的as为什么是incorrect?


as 可不可以作为介词,解释为“作为”,不太理解'as a protection of为什么是错的。请哪位侠士指点。


作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-26 11:41
以下是引用babypace在2004-5-26 10:23:00的发言:


as 可不可以作为介词,解释为“作为”,不太理解'as a protection of为什么是错的。请哪位侠士指点。


39D. For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, as a protection of warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

"as" is typically used to compare people/objects/ideas in the same class. There are examples from Longman:


As a parent, I feel that more should be done to protect our children.
A large flat stone was used as a table.
Dad dressed up as Santa Claus.
The result of last week's election will be seen as a victory for the right-wing government.


"items of military equipment" and a protection aren't in the same class. the use of "items of military equipment" may be.


多多讨论...


作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-26 11:57
我以为是"animal-hide shields" "as a protection of",shields 和protection是不是一个class?
作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-26 13:09
以下是引用babypace在2004-5-26 11:57:00的发言:
我以为是"animal-hide shields" "as a protection of",shields 和protection是不是一个class?


Here are my personal opinions:
1. When "as" is used as a prep., it refers to the "closest" noun phrase, which, in this case, is "items of military equipment".
2. a protection seems to be a abstract idea. let's say "a protection" is a protective object. then there is a number disagreement. See OG's explanation:



Choice C is best because the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did. Choices A and B awkwardly use the singular word method to refer to items of military equipment rather than to the use of such items. Also, a method of protecting would be more idiomatic than a method to protect in A or a method protecting in B. In B and D, as is incorrect; also, a protection in D has no noun for which it can logically substitute. Choice E is incomplete; used to protect would have been acceptable.



A good example in OG 54B:



Galileo was convinced that natural phenomena, as manifestations of the laws of physics, would appear the same to someone on the deck of a ship moving smoothly and uniformly through the water as to a person standing on land.


For its discussion, see http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=51315


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作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-26 22:22
got u! thanks!
作者: leeon    时间: 2004-5-27 17:02
太好了,nn们,顺便也把不定式结构一般在句子中的成分和作用总结一下吧!
作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-7-28 12:00

请教

49. The cameras of the Voyager II spacecraft detected six small, previously unseen moons circling Uranus, which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting the distant planet

which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting
doubling to twelve the number of satellites now known to orbit
which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known in orbit around
doubling to twelve the number of satellites now known as orbiting
which doubles to twelve the number of satellites now known that orbit

d中的as orbiting中的as是不是adv,表示“同样的”的意思。

而to do通常表目的,doing通常表示正在延续的动作? 谢谢!


作者: jimjohn    时间: 2004-7-30 03:33
以下是引用JerryGuan在2004-2-23 17:31:00的发言:
谢谢D兄,我想以下改进1的再改进:
改进1的再改进For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, used to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment. 是否是正确的?
或者将原答案:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.
改为:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames, protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears, were essential items of military equipment. 是否更准确?


If we revise t


Protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment for members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa.


Looks better for me.


作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-7-30 17:08

看了39题的观点:

JerryGuan2004-2-22 15:04:00

改进2For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method of protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

这个改进后的句子是否正确,可否理解为,a method是逗号前面的同位语部分呢?

dreadpower2004-2-22 23:28:00

改进2:同位语的话,就是说military equipmenta method ,逻辑概念不对等

38题,Scientists have observed large concentrations of heavy-metal deposits in the upper twenty centimeters of sediments from the Baltic Sea, findings consistent with the growth of industrial activity in the area.

那么39题的:

For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method of protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

这么改难道不对么?我觉得对啊.

还有:到底a method是逗号前面的同位语部分呢,还是独立主格结构?我看38题的OG提问中有人说是独立主格结构,到底是什么?为什么?

请指教,谢谢。


作者: jamesliu79    时间: 2004-8-1 19:48

according to the explanation of OG, it's no doubt that "protecting" is modified to "shield", so I think the explanation of BraveMBA is right.


作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-8-1 21:30

我也同意BRAVEMBA的观点,只是想知道改后的情况。

继续顶我的问题:)


作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-8-3 12:35

再问:“

看了39题的观点:

JerryGuan2004-2-22 15:04:00

改进2For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method of protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

这个改进后的句子是否正确,可否理解为,a method是逗号前面的同位语部分呢?

dreadpower2004-2-22 23:28:00

改进2:同位语的话,就是说military equipmenta method ,逻辑概念不对等

38题,Scientists have observed large concentrations of heavy-metal deposits in the upper twenty centimeters of sediments from the Baltic Sea, findings consistent with the growth of industrial activity in the area.

那么39题的:

For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method of protecting warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

这么改难道不对么?我觉得对啊.

还有:到底a method是逗号前面的同位语部分呢,还是独立主格结构?我看38题的OG提问中有人说是独立主格结构,到底是什么?为什么?

请指教,谢谢。”

顺便菜鸟一句:“怎样引用别人的发言啊?”


作者: Tiangel    时间: 2004-8-6 13:00

使劲顶~~


作者: seasnow    时间: 2005-11-17 03:27

开始我也以为protecting是状语,不过看了上面的讨论,后来想一想,确实应该是定语。


不过我觉得是修饰宾语equipment的更合适更容易理解。


是不是可以这样理解:定语修饰名词,状语修饰动词或者形容词。如果这里作状语,不是修饰were就是修饰essential。不妨用中文的"地"和"得"来试验一下。“保护...地是”和“保护...得重要”都解释不通,只有“保护...的器具”可以解释,由此可见是定语。


作者: 顾风    时间: 2006-3-7 17:00

在张道真的语法书上有这么一句话:


as if to remind him, the church clock struck eleven.


这不是意味着to表示目的的时候可以修饰物吗?


作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-7-2 06:04
以下是引用seasnow在2005-11-17 3:27:00的发言:

开始我也以为protecting是状语,不过看了上面的讨论,后来想一想,确实应该是定语。

不过我觉得是修饰宾语equipment的更合适更容易理解

是不是可以这样理解:定语修饰名词,状语修饰动词或者形容词。如果这里作状语,不是修饰were就是修饰essential。不妨用中文的"地"和"得"来试验一下。“保护...地是”和“保护...得重要”都解释不通,只有“保护...的器具”可以解释,由此可见是定语。

我觉得应该是定语,根据就近原则应该修饰eqeuipment,至于前面有人提到的如果修饰equipment就会有范围狭隘之嫌,我觉得这里shilds是保护武士的军事装备,而不是其他类型的军事装备,这才是军事装备需要限制的原因。

bravamba关于现在分词作伴随状语和结果状语的观点很有道理,但关于现在分词修饰句子主语的观点值得商榷,实际上现在分词在句尾作定语,最可能修饰它前面离它最近的名词,如果前面句子中出现多余一个的名词的话,就可能出现出现歧义。


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作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-7-2 06:13

发完上贴才又想到以下问题:

bravemba关于现在分词的观点是不是应该这样理解:如果现在分词前面有逗号(这才是真正的分词放在句尾吧),现在分词不会是修饰都好前面的名词,而应该是修饰句子主语。因为如果要修饰它最近的名词的话,就不能有逗号。也只后在没有逗号的情况下,才会根据就近原则来判断现在分词到底修饰谁的问题?

欢迎讨论。


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作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-7-2 06:17
以下是引用braveMBA在2003-10-27 12:20:00的发言:
修饰名词就是做定语,如T39.

修饰前面句子的就是做状语,

对!
----------------
可是问题是,我就是没搞清现在分词放在句尾究竟修饰的是什么啊???

这要根据句子意思,如果修饰的是句子主语或者就近的名词,就是定语;如果修饰的是动词或者是句子,则是状语。

那么该如何区分是修饰句子主语还是修饰就近的名词而不会造成歧义呢?是不是根据现在分词前面是不是有逗号?

我的帖子有点乱,因为认识还不够清晰,抱歉。问题澄清了,欧在修改吧。


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作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-7-2 06:20
以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-2 23:12:00的发言:
brave GG, OG 39是你错了。

你听我说:

如果做定语,要紧跟修饰的名词。也可能是跳跃修饰时,前面不能加逗号,要直接使用。如: A do B doing .   so ,doing is modified  B ,not A.

A do B ,doing :前面有逗号,作状语,有两种情况:一是做伴随方式。I came into the room , laughing and smiling .逻辑主语是主语。另一种是做结果,修饰的是前一句,如OG 39和OG49。OG中有相当多的句子是第二种情况。

这跟我的理解正好相反,我觉得:如果修饰最近的名词,现在分词前不能,也许需要,有逗号;如果加了逗号修饰的内容就不应该是逗号前面的名词(否则就不需要逗号了),应该是句子主语或其他成分,这样可能造成被修饰成分不够清晰的问题。


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作者: 当当84    时间: 2006-7-4 21:09

不是很同意楼上的意见, 个人认为protecting是做定语修饰前面的名词 items of military equipment. 这里, protecting 其实可以理解为, which 引导的非限定定语从句,那么一般which 是就近修饰前面的名词

一家之言,欢迎讨论!


作者: ll_422    时间: 2006-9-20 15:40

OG11上原文解释为 the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.

---也就是说此处是表目的的. 现在分词用在句尾只有表伴随结果和目的两种用法, 其他的个人认为说起来都有点牵强.

不过BRAVEMBA的看法可以用来理解句意, 俺佩服的NN,赫赫


作者: yaomao    时间: 2006-10-7 11:46

这题og11解释的是 the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.

og10解释的是:the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did.

然后我就很混乱了,不晓得这个protecting到底是修饰谁

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作者: hhjc    时间: 2007-3-13 22:26
顶一下
作者: nuj_am    时间: 2007-5-7 21:35

这题OG11解释的最好,是真正的标杆!

protecting应该是由items发出的目的!!


作者: jianhan    时间: 2007-10-5 01:37

我来补上OG11的解释原文

The underlined part of the sentence begins a phrase describing items of military equipment. I t is awkward and inaccurate of describe items as a method. Replacing the underlined phrase with the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.


作者: yichousun    时间: 2007-10-27 18:04
og11说分词修饰item。那么到底是怎样判断分词的逻辑主语啊?
作者: whiteshadow    时间: 2007-10-27 21:43
你们看LZM 111 7-9题把,基本一摸一样。放最后表状语。
作者: maomao521    时间: 2007-11-22 10:34
以下是引用yaomao在2006-10-7 11:46:00的发言:

这题og11解释的是 the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.

og10解释的是:the participle protecting begins a phrase that explains what the shields did.

然后我就很混乱了,不晓得这个protecting到底是修饰谁

看了那么多NN的讨论,有点晕了。。。可以理解的是,修饰主语的是定语,修饰动词或整个句子的是状语,那么应该如何判断是修饰主语还是其它呢?


作者: firstquarry    时间: 2007-11-22 13:28
还有这里有没有protect动作发起者的歧义呢?
作者: ambercoco    时间: 2008-2-1 10:58

og11里说,现在分词对于其要修饰的词的作用:describing or extending its meaning。


作者: johnyin    时间: 2008-2-1 16:26

偶不会讲,但一看就知道是这么选……


作者: tigercaiqun    时间: 2008-2-27 02:10
以下是引用ll_422在2006-9-20 15:40:00的发言:

OG11上原文解释为 the participle protecting creates a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.

---也就是说此处是表目的的. 现在分词用在句尾只有表伴随结果和目的两种用法, 其他的个人认为说起来都有点牵强.

不过BRAVEMBA的看法可以用来理解句意, 俺佩服的NN,赫赫

刚开始看到NN的讨论,吓了一大跳, 以为我原来的理解错了. 看了这么多,还是同意这个,句尾的现在分词只能做伴随结果/伴随状态/目的->做状语成分, 而不能修饰前面紧邻的名词-->定语成分,两者的功能不同.

混淆两者虽然不影响理解做题(此题恰巧前句末尾的名词是主语的说明,与主语同类,所以无论是做状语修饰主语还是做定语修饰前面的名词,该句尾分词都可),但却无法解释OG127/OG120里OG说句末的分词不能修饰前面名词了,这两题中主语与分词前的名词不同,如果用加逗号的现在分词修饰前面的名词就造成了做状语修饰主语的结果(OG120E)


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作者: tigercaiqun    时间: 2008-2-27 02:13
估计能坚持看完这个巨长的帖子的人不多.hehe
作者: 苏菲娃娃    时间: 2008-2-27 02:56

tigercaiqunMM,如果,DOING只能修饰S,而不能修饰紧邻的名词的话,

那PREP-17该怎么解释了?(期待回答.我都蒙掉了)

17. The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including there wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old.
            

A. merely scavenging for meat, have emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
            

C. as mere meat scavengers, has emerged from examining tools found in Germany that includes
    

D. mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, which includes
            

E. mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including
            

 答案为E,句末INCLUDING明显是修饰邻近N的中心词"TOOLS",不可能修饰主语the ne image吧?

 答案为E,句末INCLUDING明显是修饰邻近N的中心词"TOOLS",不可能修饰主语the ne image吧?


作者: tigercaiqun    时间: 2008-2-28 03:58

回楼上苏菲娃娃MM, PREP-17这道题里,句末的including是介词,不是现在分词, Longman上的解释:

in‧clud‧ing   preposition
used to introduce something or someone that is part of a larger group or amount you have just mentioned [≠ excluding]:
The price is £25.50, including postage and packing.
You'll need a variety of skills, including leadership and negotiating.

作者: 苏菲娃娃    时间: 2008-2-28 15:13

谢谢tigercaiqunMM,明白了^^


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2008-5-1 23:08

逗号后面的分局修饰前面的某一个名词,shields或者items(他们指的同一个事物),所以是定语。

protecting和to protect都表示有这个目的并且发出动作。

但是区别是protecting是强调shields发出动作,但不是发出目的,目的是人发出的,shields本身不能有目的。

to protect除了表示shields发出动作外,还表示了很强的主观目的的意思。而目的是人发出的,shields本身没有目的。所以错。

另外,用used to protect就对,既表示shields发出动作,又表示人发出目的。


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2008-5-1 23:08

逗号后面的分局修饰前面的某一个名词,shields或者items(他们指的同一个事物),所以是定语。

protecting和to protect都表示有这个目的并且发出动作。

但是区别是protecting是强调shields发出动作,但不是发出目的,目的是人发出的,shields本身不能有目的。

to protect除了表示shields发出动作外,还表示了很强的主观目的的意思。而目的是人发出的,shields本身没有目的。所以错。

另外,用used to protect就对,既表示shields发出动作,又表示人发出目的。


作者: ricee    时间: 2008-5-5 13:01

再起高楼。本来一直是赞成“定语说”的,但是这样以来就有一个心结始终无法解开:现在分词在句尾,有逗号隔开,依据什么来判断是作状语还是定语,依据什么来判断有无歧义,显然没有一个明确的说法。

直到今天翻了《薄冰高级英语语法》,看到里面有这样一条解释:现在分词可以作前面名词的同位语:

例:He is getting a job tonight driving a truck.

She got a place in a laundry ironing shirts.

根据同位结构的定义,也就是后面部分是对前面的名词部分进行解释说明。这样,觉得有些豁然开朗的感觉,这很能解释这里的情况:protecting短语作为同位结构,解释前面的名词items of military equipment,我觉得这里还很有可能省略了一个重复前面的名词,即shields were items of military equipment, (items) protecting warriors...

这样既消除了我对分词在句尾作非限制性定语的疑惑,也非常符合OG的解释:a modifying phrase that clearly explains the purpose of the items of military equipment.


作者: zjpopo    时间: 2008-12-2 23:13
以下是引用leeon在2004-5-27 17:02:00的发言:
太好了,nn们,顺便也把不定式结构一般在句子中的成分和作用总结一下吧!

在语法区里,没有找到有关不定式的小结……

结合自己OG/Prep的笔记,抛砖引玉吧,期待大家的补充。

OG39:不定式不能单独在句末做修饰成分。

P2-122 不定式在GMAT中表示两层含义:1)表示目的,要求有合理的逻辑主语,2)表将来。

aeoluseros的帖子放在这里,一并看。 http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&id=361341




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作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-4-9 19:45
For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa,
animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military
equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

A a method to protect
B as a method protecting
C protecting
D as a protection of
E to protect

我认为是否含有 be 动词应该可以作为判断现在分词功能的一个依据

(1) 主句(其中一般动词谓语) + doing 分词,现在分词可能做定语修饰其紧跟名词,也可能做状语修饰主句,此时须考虑现在分词修饰逻辑问题。(无逗号)

(2) 主句(其中是be动词谓语) + doing 分词,现在分词只能做定语修饰其紧跟名词。(无逗号)

(3) 主句(其中一般动词谓语), + doing 分词做状语。(有逗号)

(4) 主句(其中是be动词谓语) + doing 分词,分词做非限定性定语。(有逗号)

具体讨论请看
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=3304064&id=326156&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

不定式作定语或是状语,除了第四条不适用外应该也是类似情况

作者: 没办法1987    时间: 2009-5-17 17:05
以下是引用songlovegt在2009-4-9 19:45:00的发言:
For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa,
animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military
equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

A a method to protect
B as a method protecting
C protecting
D as a protection of
E to protect

我认为是否含有 be 动词应该可以作为判断现在分词功能的一个依据

(1) 主句(其中一般动词谓语) + doing 分词,现在分词可能做定语修饰其紧跟名词,也可能做状语修饰主句,此时须考虑现在分词修饰逻辑问题。(无逗号)

(2) 主句(其中是be动词谓语) + doing 分词,现在分词只能做定语修饰其紧跟名词。(无逗号)

(3) 主句(其中一般动词谓语), + doing 分词做状语。(有逗号)

(4) 主句(其中是be动词谓语) + doing 分词,分词做非限定性定语。(有逗号)

具体讨论请看
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=3304064&id=326156&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

不定式作定语或是状语,除了第四条不适用外应该也是类似情况

恩,我也同意这个,be动词这种没有什么实际意义的词,不可能做伴随,只能是修饰,至于修饰那个,意思其实都是说的通的,看看OG10

和OG11的解释,一个说是修饰shields,一个说是修饰items of military equipment,就说明其实都是一样的

此题就是: A is... Bof C ,这里A,B其实是相等的,修饰那个都一样。


作者: 没办法1987    时间: 2009-5-17 17:16
以下是引用songlovegt在2009-4-9 19:45:00的发言:

(1) 主句(其中一般动词谓语) + doing 分词,现在分词可能做定语修饰其紧跟名词,也可能做状语修饰主句,此时须考虑现在分词修饰逻辑问题。(无逗号)

我觉得好像这一条不对,没有逗号应该只能做定语修饰前面紧跟的名词。


作者: xiaofan1016    时间: 2009-8-31 12:00
恩,我也同意这个,be动词这种没有什么实际意义的词,不可能做伴随,只能是修饰,至于修饰那个,意思其实都是说的通的,看看OG10

和OG11的解释,一个说是修饰shields,一个说是修饰items of military equipment,就说明其实都是一样的

此题就是: A is... Bof C ,这里A,B其实是相等的,修饰那个都一样。

agree! 


作者: tanfeicici    时间: 2009-10-6 14:10

. For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.

(A)
                        
a method to protect

(B)  as a method protecting

(C)
                        
protecting

(D)
                        
as a protection of

(E) to protect

我的问题是:

如果把A选项的a method to protect改成methods of protecting 做同位语成分的话正确么?


作者: Jasonhere    时间: 2010-2-28 23:37
up,受益良多
作者: 77banana    时间: 2010-9-3 00:26
顶一下
作者: shaoling    时间: 2011-12-14 16:31
翻出了这么老的帖子,感谢73楼的解释,明白了~




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