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作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-7 20:25
标题: gmatprep里得一道逻辑,完全看不懂

今天做了prep有题不懂,大家来帮忙看看


作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-7 20:26
图怎么发不上来....
作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-7 20:35

although fullerenes----spherical molecules made entirely of carbon---- were first found in the laboratory, they have since been found in nature, formed in fissures of the rare mineral shungite.Since laboratory synthesis of fullerenes requires distinctive conditions of temperature and pressure, this discovery should give geologists a test case for evaluating hypotheses about the state of the Earth's crust at the time these naturally occurring fullerenes were formed.

which of the following, if true, most seriouly undermines the argument?

a.cofirming that the shungit genuinely contained fullerenes took careful experimentation

b.some fullerenes have also been found on the remains of a small meteorite that collided with a spacecraft.

c.The mineral shungite itself contains large amount of carbon, from which the fullerenes apparently formed

d.The natural occurring fullerenes are arranged in a previously unknown crystalline structure

e.shungite itself is formed only under distinctive conditions.


作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-7 20:36

这题在说什么有谁能说一下大概吗?


作者: mbz    时间: 2006-11-7 23:02
以下是引用Matrixrl在2006-11-7 20:35:00的发言:

although fullerenes----spherical molecules made entirely of carbon---- were first found in the laboratory, they have since been found in nature, formed in fissures of the rare mineral shungite.Since laboratory synthesis of fullerenes requires distinctive conditions of temperature and pressure, this discovery should give geologists a test case for evaluating hypotheses about the state of the Earth's crust at the time these naturally occurring fullerenes were formed.

which of the following, if true, most seriouly undermines the argument?

a.cofirming that the shungit genuinely contained fullerenes took careful experimentation

b.some fullerenes have also been found on the remains of a small meteorite that collided with a spacecraft.

c.The mineral shungite itself contains large amount of carbon, from which the fullerenes apparently formed

d.The natural occurring fullerenes are arranged in a previously unknown crystalline structure

e.shungite itself is formed only under distinctive conditions.

Please double check word by word see if you have any typing mistake. I have interest to take a look at this question too.


作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-11-8 00:08
楼主俺来献丑。俺的想法是,说这种冬冬在很extreme的实验室条件下合成,在地球上找到了这种冬冬,于是说可以由此推测地球在这些咚咚形成时候的地壳条件。要weaken这种推测,我们可以预测答案方必然是说找到了这种冬冬,也没办法预测地球的地壳条件。两种可能,试验推不出地壳条件;这冬冬形成和地球没啥关系; 看B选项:这些冬冬在流星雨中被发现,也就是说这玩意儿有可能不是在地球形成的,换句话说没啥关系。 请大家指教
作者: ereanor    时间: 2006-11-8 00:08

答案是啥?

我选了C


作者: ereanor    时间: 2006-11-8 00:25

我觉得B不是很对,不知道我的理解对不对

因为题中说"they have since been found in nature"

B中说"also been found on the remains of a small meteorite ",即这两种source是可以被区别的,不会产生误判断

而C是说nature中发现的fullerenes存在于shungit里,shiungit又含carbon,因此在它存在的N年中只要遇到适当的温度和压力就能产生fullerenes(象实验室里一样),那么在同一个shungit里即存在不同时代的fullerenes,无法判定地壳状态

不知道俺这样理解对不对


作者: lucyzl517    时间: 2006-11-8 03:06
以下是引用ereanor在2006-11-8 0:25:00的发言:

而C是.......因此在它存在的N年中只要遇到适当的温度和压力就能产生fullerenes(象实验室里一样),那么在同一个shungit里即存在不同时代的fullerenes,

楼上的,这段纯属你的发散思维,题目和C选项中没有提到也没有暗示,而且也推测不出上面的文字

并且我认为C选项只是把题干内容重复了下,没有起任何削弱和支持的作用

FlowerJay解释的B很清楚


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作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-8 18:43

sorry, i've forgotten to give u the key, the choice is D


作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-8 18:45
唉,这答案真不知道是怎么出来得...
作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-11-8 21:01

楼主让我很郁闷,呵呵。怎么看D都长得不像!强烈要求斑竹和lawyer出现。pls pls


作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-8 21:56

我也不想,不过prep给得答案就是这个

哎,我自己都想不通


作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-11-9 00:57

顶出来大家看看

 


作者: ereanor    时间: 2006-11-9 01:06

闷掉~

NN现身啊!


作者: yboo    时间: 2006-11-9 01:55
原题:
"fullerenes首先在实验室被发现,后来也在自然界被发现。因为在实验室合成fullerenes时,需要某种特殊温度和压力,所以可以帮助地质学家了解自然界中fullerenes形成时的地壳状况。"

问削弱。

a和e显然不对。

b: "有些fullerenes也可以在流星废墟中找到"。这并不妨碍利用那些"在地球自然环境中形成的fullerenes"做研究。所以不能削弱。

c: 有没有carbon成分,跟原题逻辑没有关系。也就是说,无论此选项成立,或者不成立,不影响原题推理。

d: "自然形成的fullerenes,是一种未知的晶体结构"。指出natural fullerenes和合成fullerenes是不同的,直接打断原题从条件到结论的推理。
作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-11-9 02:34
正如我们马队长说的,B的主要毛病在some,some come from the outspace does not mean those found in nature also come from outspace. if it were saying "It's prove that those found in nature are part of those that came from outspace", this statement weakens the reasoning. Does it explain?
作者: mbz    时间: 2006-11-9 04:45
以下是引用Matrixrl在2006-11-7 20:35:00的发言:

although fullerenes----spherical molecules made entirely of carbon---- were first found in the laboratory, they have since been found in nature, formed in fissures of the rare mineral shungite.Since laboratory synthesis of fullerenes requires distinctive conditions of temperature and pressure, this discovery should give geologists a test case for evaluating hypotheses about the state of the Earth's crust at the time these naturally occurring fullerenes were formed.

which of the following, if true, most seriouly undermines the argument?

a.cofirming that the shungit genuinely contained fullerenes took careful experimentation

b.some fullerenes have also been found on the remains of a small meteorite that collided with a spacecraft.

c.The mineral shungite itself contains large amount of carbon, from which the fullerenes apparently formed

d.The natural occurring fullerenes are arranged in a previously unknown crystalline structure

e.shungite itself is formed only under distinctive conditions.

I would like to ask Matrixrl:

In choice D, is it previously "unknown" crystalline structure or "known" in the original question?

If it is previously unknown, it doesn't make sense, since previously unknown means it is now known.

On the other hand, if it is previously known, then it can weaken the arguement by saying that there is no need to do any test any more b/c the structure has already been known.


作者: lucyzl517    时间: 2006-11-9 05:17

呵呵...晕了...语法题!

FlowerJay  GG理解的真快啊!


作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-11-9 14:10
俺自送绰号马后炮!啥时候可以提前开炮呢
作者: Matrixrl    时间: 2006-11-9 18:45
以下是引用mbz在2006-11-9 4:45:00的发言:

I would like to ask Matrixrl:

In choice D, is it previously "unknown" crystalline structure or "known" in the original question?

If it is previously unknown, it doesn't make sense, since previously unknown means it is now known.

On the other hand, if it is previously known, then it can weaken the arguement by saying that there is no need to do any test any more b/c the structure has already been known.

这题目就这么表达的,我没动过,我到现在还没怎么理解
作者: uibewsj    时间: 2006-12-3 22:32
俺是这样想的,不知道对不对:

前提1:在实验室里能合成F,并且只能在一定温度压力等条件下才能合成。
前提2:新发现了天然的金属里也有F.
结论:可以推测F形成时期地壳的温度压力等条件。
削弱:两种F的结构根本不一样,这在做推测的时候并不知道。(实验室里的是spherical molecules made entirely of carbon,天然的是crystalline structure.)



作者: boochxu    时间: 2006-12-24 04:26
ding

作者: ptr07    时间: 2006-12-25 05:09
in this question, we need to break the bridge. We can say nobody know the condition in which the fissue formed.
D correctly list one that can not be explained by the current scientific experiments, hence it is the Correct answer

作者: huashengke    时间: 2006-12-25 10:04

是的,b里面错在了some上面。


作者: flywhere812    时间: 2009-8-1 18:41
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