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作者: krisliuyi    时间: 2006-9-10 18:53
标题: 大全-2-19

Blood banks will shortly start to screen all donors for NANB hepatitis. Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis. Therefore, about 10 percent of actual donors will still supply NANB-contaminated blood.

大全-2-19.          The argument above depends on which of the following assumptions? E/A

(A) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, carry other infections for which reliable screening tests are routinely performed.

(B) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, develop the disease themselves at any point.

(C) The estimate of the number of donors who would be disqualified by tests for NANB hepatitis is an underestimate.

(D) The incidence of NANB hepatitis is lower among the potential blood donors than it is in the population at large.A

(E) The donors who will still supply NANB-contaminated blood will donate blood at the average frequency for all donors.

答案是A, 我选了E.  不是很明白, 请教. 谢谢.


作者: wycg    时间: 2006-9-10 22:43
以下是引用krisliuyi在2006-9-10 18:53:00的发言:

Blood banks will shortly start to screen all donors for NANB hepatitis. Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis. Therefore, about 10 percent of actual donors will still supply NANB-contaminated blood.

大全-2-19.          The argument above depends on which of the following assumptions? E/A

(A) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, carry other infections for which reliable screening tests are routinely performed.

(B) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, develop the disease themselves at any point.

(C) The estimate of the number of donors who would be disqualified by tests for NANB hepatitis is an underestimate.

(D) The incidence of NANB hepatitis is lower among the potential blood donors than it is in the population at large.A

(E) The donors who will still supply NANB-contaminated blood will donate blood at the average frequency for all donors.

答案是A, 我选了E.  不是很明白, 请教. 谢谢.

原文说的5%对应1/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis,所以文章说10%对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.

可是要是A不成立的话,那文章说的10%是不一定对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.也就是它的推论不成立.


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-16 14:59
以下是引用wycg在2006-9-10 22:43:00的发言:

原文说的5%对应1/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis,所以文章说10%对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.

可是要是A不成立的话,那文章说的10%是不一定对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.也就是它的推论不成立.

麻烦竹子翻译一下原文吧,没看明白

从哪里看出:原文说的5%对应1/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis,所以文章说10%对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.


作者: wycg    时间: 2006-9-16 23:22
以下是引用晴天小狗在2006-9-16 14:59:00的发言:

麻烦竹子翻译一下原文吧,没看明白

从哪里看出:原文说的5%对应1/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis,所以文章说10%对应2/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis.

Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis.


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-17 17:50

Blood banks will shortly start to screen all donors for NANB hepatitis. Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis. Therefore, about 10 percent of actual donors will still supply NANB-contaminated blood.

大全-2-19.      The argument above depends on which of the following assumptions?

(A) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, carry other infections for which reliable screening tests are routinely performed.

谢谢先,但是还是不明白...

两个范围的问题是么?

5%的人会被过滤掉,这5%对应的是1/3的病人被过滤掉...

看来我得放弃了 实在是想不明白 看了40分钟了


作者: krisliuyi    时间: 2006-9-17 19:04

先谢谢斑竹帮忙解答和晴天小狗参与讨论。一直保持沉默,因为想了好几次没有想通。今天好象突然有了思路,是不是这么理解:

题目给出的论点是说新的技术只能发现1/3有这种毛病的人,那么这个论点的依据应当是,剩下的人由于其病症的特征是没法通过这种新技术或者是已有的任何老的技术能发现的,所以结论是有2/3的这种毛病的人是不能被发现的。因而答案A是对的。

不知道这样的思路和理解对不对?谢谢。


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-17 19:33

Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis

5%对应1/3的donors carrying NANB hepatitis

好晕


作者: krisliuyi    时间: 2006-9-17 20:00

I think we can forget about the 5% or 1/3 in the first place.  My view is that the key point is that some of the NANB-contaminated blood cannot be identified during the testing.  Then what is the assumption that such NANB-contaminated blood cannot be identified? - the answer should be that current testing method or the existing methods cannot identify them.  Or we can think in this way, what if the current testing method or the existing methods can locate them by whatever characteristics? then no NANB-contaminated blood will be omitted in the testing.

I agree this is very much confusing and I hope I could express myself more clearly.  What do you say about this thinking process. 


作者: krisliuyi    时间: 2006-9-17 20:12

再来一记,看看是不是少晕点:

我觉得先不去想1/3啊,5%的问题。我们这么来想:题目说有个新的方法能够找出部分的这种病症的献血者,然后说但是还是会漏掉另外剩下的那些病症者。最后问我们这样的推理过程的依据是啥。

A说,这些患者并在较大共性的层面上存在一个症状(or whatever)是现有的检测方法去测试的 -- 即,如果存在这么一种共性的症状并且是被测试的指标之一,那么这些病人就不会在测试中被漏掉了,那么上面的推理结果就不会出现了。所以题目中的表述成立的依据就是A成立。

你觉得呢?


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-17 20:23

我只能先谢谢您的解释,过两天再看吧

有时候就是这样 脑子突然就迷了,越看越迷...

 

 


作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-9-17 20:38

文章的思路很清楚

5%的disqulify还不够,会漏掉2/3,即5%就是没有漏掉的1/3。因此文章说的是将有10%的人继续作为捐献者。这个推理似乎无懈可击。

但是如果有人在做screen检测的时候同时有文章所提及的NANB病和文章未提及的病,如果是因为,文章未提及的病而被判定为不合格,那么真正携带NANB病的人将多余10%

或者说A排除了别的情况,加强了结论的正确性,保证了只有一个变量


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-17 21:53

谢谢竹子,

5%的disqulify还不够,会漏掉2/3,即5%就是没有漏掉的1/3。因此文章说的是将有10%的人继续作为捐献者

这句话 我再慢慢理解吧

其实选项上倒是没有问题,我就是对原文说的,感觉有点怪


作者: yboo    时间: 2006-10-11 03:01
不好意思,krisliuyi,我今天才度假回来。谢谢你喊我过来看这道题。

我觉得wycg(就是二楼坐沙发的)回答的已经很清楚了。 assumption题就用"取否",如果一个选项取否后直接让原结论不成立,那就是它了。

首先,原题说:5%对应1/3,那么2/3对应10%。

只有A的否命题直接推翻原结论。因为如果有大量NANB携带者同时携带其他疾病而被disqualify掉(尤其是"in a large percentage of cases",对应原题的"about 10%"和"up to 5 percent"),那么当然上段的那个对应关系就不成立了。

其他选项取否就没有影响。(E说的是frequency,跟number of donors没有直接关系)
作者: FlowerJay    时间: 2006-10-11 05:27

滤掉了5%,但是有2/3没被滤掉,于是就胜10%

这里面有个假设,就是那5%都是这个病的,如果不是呢,结论就不成立了


作者: yogaII    时间: 2006-10-11 06:13

Blood banks will shortly start to screen all donors for NANB hepatitis. Although the new screening tests are estimated to disqualify up to 5 percent of all prospective blood donors, they will still miss two-thirds of donors carrying NANB hepatitis. Therefore, about 10 percent of actual donors will still supply NANB-contaminated blood.

翻译一下:

血银行即将开始检查所有的捐血者来排除甲乙肝炎。 尽管这个新检查方法会使得5%的捐血者不符合条件, 仍然会有2/3的携甲乙肝病毒的捐血者不能被排除。 因此, 大概有10%的捐血者会提供感染甲乙肝病毒的血。

问assumption:

5% = 1/3

10% = 2/3

A 选项说带甲乙肝的病人不会大面积的携带其他可被有效检查的病毒。

如果A选项不成立。 那么 2/3中会有很多人因为携带其他病毒而被排除。 所以就会小于10%.

E 是无关项。 因为一直在比较人数, 不涉及到捐血频率和捐血量。

大全-2-19.          The argument above depends on which of the following assumptions? E/A
                

(A) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, carry other infections for which reliable screening tests are routinely performed.

(B) Donors carrying NANB hepatitis do not, in a large percentage of cases, develop the disease themselves at any point.

(C) The estimate of the number of donors who would be disqualified by tests for NANB hepatitis is an underestimate.

(D) The incidence of NANB hepatitis is lower among the potential blood donors than it is in the population at large.A
            

(E) The donors who will still supply NANB-contaminated blood will donate blood at the average frequency for all donors.


作者: lxzjojo    时间: 2006-10-30 00:04
以下是引用gonghao在2006-9-17 20:38:00的发言:

文章的思路很清楚

5%的disqulify还不够,会漏掉2/3,即5%就是没有漏掉的1/3。因此文章说的是将有10%的人继续作为捐献者。这个推理似乎无懈可击。

但是如果有人在做screen检测的时候同时有文章所提及的NANB病和文章未提及的病,如果是因为,文章未提及的病而被判定为不合格,那么真正携带NANB病的人将多余10%

或者说A排除了别的情况,加强了结论的正确性,保证了只有一个变量

偶现在十分明白鸟。。。

不过那个“多余”偶觉得应该是“少于”才对。。。


作者: 小蓓    时间: 2007-2-19 19:40

终于想通E为啥错了:献血频率与丙肝的检出率无关,不管献血次数如何变化,该人群被查出的概率不变,总是1/3


[此贴子已经被作者于2007-2-19 19:54:03编辑过]

作者: dinssads    时间: 2013-2-5 23:41
通读这道题下来,我理解,应该是这个思维顺序:献血的所有人当中,首先估计近5%因血液不含NANB H而不合格、被排除;接着说,还是错误地排除了全部献血人的2/3、因这2/3血液含NANB H,也就意味着全部献血人的1/3是被正确排除在外的。整个语句用一般现在时态,啥意思?以上数据都是估计出来的?但又用了转折语气啊!表明一先一后的啊!
到这,我就不明白了,按理说5%应该是包含了2/3里部分人的,可2/3=67%、1/3=33%;就算2/3的人都没被排除,那不合格率也应该是1/3啊,这5%怎么出现得不明不白呢?最后实际合格率10%又是打哪来啊?
我嘞个去啊我嘞个去!
整个题干的意思不就是说,这个测试不靠谱么。
问题是,支持这个结论的假设是哪些?
A) 大多数携NANB H的献血人不携带其它该测试可测的病菌。--这可真是没得选才选的答案啊!
C) 不合格率——即不含NANB H的比率被测试低估了。--对啊,先是5%,其实是33%,这不是低估是什么呢。
哎呀,真纠结啊!痛苦啊痛苦
哪位大侠快来解救我吧!!




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