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标题: 885 SEC C-1/discriminate [打印本页]

作者: sbbi 时间: 2003-10-13 11:41
标题: [新手请教]请问11th的OG数学跟10th版本的数学出题思路相同吗,有啥不一样吗?
1. After a few weeks’ experience, apprentice jewelers can usually begin to discriminate, though not with absolute certainty, genuine diamonds from imitation diamonds.
(A) genuine diamonds from imitation diamonds
(B) genuine diamonds apart from imitations
(C) between genuine diamonds and imitation diamonds
(D) among genuine diamonds and imitation diamonds
(E) whether diamonds are imitation or genuine

ANSWER C.但我认为A和C都是对的. for example:
The parties have become so similar it is difficult to discriminate Republicans from Democrats

作者: ios 时间: 2003-10-13 13:06
sb. discriminate between A and B
or
sth. discriminate A from B

主语是jewelers，人，所以用第一个。

作者: chenmoon 时间: 2003-10-13 14:05
2楼所说的有什么根据？
在longman上有这样的一个例子
You must learn to discriminate between facts and opinions/to discriminate facts from opinions.
这两个句子都是正确的啊。

同样，distinguish好像也存在这样的问题，比如
Small children can't distinguish right from wrong.

我认为这两个词后面用between还是from主要取决于动词后面是否直接跟宾语。所以我也觉得楼主所说的题有2个答案。还请nn指教，是不是GMAT中对此有特别的要求？

作者: liflyy 时间: 2003-10-13 20:15
from 和 between and究竟有什么区别呢

作者: chenmoon 时间: 2003-10-13 21:16
这题如果真较真儿的话，是不是可以这样理解？即discriminate genuine diamonds from imitation diamonds好像是从一大堆假钻石里找出真钻石，而discriminate between genuine diamonds and imitation diamonds意思是有一颗（或几颗）假的，有一颗（或几颗）真的，把它们分辨出来。你想啊，哪儿来那么多假的呢，所以C是正确的。
这样理解是不是很牵强啊，嘿嘿，别砸我。

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-10-19 21:00
chenmoon 说的好象有道理，但下面似乎是个反例：
The parties have become so similar it is difficult to discriminate Republicans from Democrats.

作者: lisashaw 时间: 2003-10-31 10:38
还是没弄清楚A,C区别，难道是前后有都好隔开的原因？选A有些fragemnet?还想继续请教NNs.....

作者: dandan74 时间: 2003-10-31 13:27
首先，我认为ETS比较倾向于用discriminate between A and B的结构，这个方面没有多少道理可以讲；
其次，如果深究，我认为discriminate A from B 强调的是相同点，而就是句子的主要意思往往是为了说明区别A和B的困难，也就是虽然再说不同，但实际上是强调相同，gemj的例子就很好：The parties have become so similar it is difficult to discriminate Republicans from Democrats. 就是说重点是说难于区分Repulicans and Democrats, 而不是说他们的不同。
On the other hand, "discriminate between A and B" is used to emphasis the difference between A and B. For example, "discriminate between genuine diamonds and imitation diamonds" is intended to express the idea of "他们是不同的", 正因为如此，珠宝技师经过一些不多的训练，就很快的可以区分他们。
个人观点，欢迎讨论！

作者: gemj 时间: 2003-11-1 01:46
dandan74 的分析很有创意，这么认真实在难得！
但下面这个好象与dandan74的分析似乎不是非常吻合，当然不能说不行。
the process of learning to discriminate fact from opinion

作者: mjiehu 时间: 2003-11-1 02:46
discriminate from侧重from前的
discriminate between and由于有and，侧重两者

作者: joywzy 时间: 2003-11-1 08:16
Longman P384

discriminate between: to recognize a difference between things.

eg It is sometimes difficult to discriminate between edibel and posionous mushrooms.

discriminate sth .from

eg. You must learn to discriminate fact from opinion.

作者: remeo 时间: 2003-11-1 10:26

以下是引用joywzy在2003-11-1 8:16:00的发言：
Longman P384

discriminate between: to recognize a difference between things.

eg It is sometimes difficult to discriminate between edibel and posionous mushrooms.

discriminate sth .from

eg. You must learn to discriminate fact from opinion.

呵呵，你也在开始用LONGMAN来旁征博引了，欢迎加入我们的行列！

作者: lisashaw 时间: 2003-11-2 01:39
thanks!明白啦！
和NN们讨论感觉真是好呀！

作者: Snazzy 时间: 2004-2-24 08:58

以下是引用lisashaw在2003-11-2 1:39:00的发言：
thanks!明白啦！
和NN们讨论感觉真是好呀！

I have nearly understood it. But the excitement was ruined by an extra example from Longman.

A test is useful for discriminating those students who have reached a higher level from those at a lower.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

作者: tony6 时间: 2004-6-7 16:15
看来这是ETS的山规，没道理可讲的了。

作者: hpp920 时间: 2004-9-17 03:01
我还是不明白, 有最新的解释吗?谢谢!

作者: ogram 时间: 2005-7-8 02:33

我觉得discriminate A from B与discriminate between A and B两者的区别在于

前者是瞬时性、一次性动作

后者是经常性、系统性的动作，持续时间比较长

另外还有distinguish A from B和distinguish between A and B

也是类似情况。前者的意思是把A从A和B的混合物中鉴别出来，达到这个目的就算完事；而后者则是对A和B两样东西进行系统的研究、对比和区分

个人意见，呵呵

作者: adii 时间: 2005-8-5 09:39

from 连接的两个对象一般有本质的区别吧，fact－opinion，wrong-true,Republicans - Democrats,

mood swings ---genuine manic-depressive psychosis

between连接的两个对象属于同一大类中的两个不同小类，genuine diamonds-imitation diamonds, The Use of Unit Values to Discriminate between Price and Quality Competition, Lotterty Designs to Discriminate between Shackle's Theory. Expected Utility Theory and Non-expected Utility THeories

突然想到的，不知道有没有反例？

请大家拍砖

作者: adii 时间: 2005-8-5 19:42
自己顶一下，呵呵

作者: sammaijgd 时间: 2005-8-8 00:15

还是没有定论啊.

作者: zenger 时间: 2005-9-5 11:59

总结一下：

1）ETS山规；

２）from 强调行为；between and强调状态．

３)from突出前者，between and 突出比较．

作者: bigtone 时间: 2005-10-23 08:51
呵呵，zenger的帖子总结的好

作者: xjlv128 时间: 2006-3-17 18:03

还是没有定论啊……

那就当山规好了

作者: hawkinsxie 时间: 2006-5-1 22:50

比较一下，看看有没有discriminate from 的正确答案。

没有的话，就是山规了。结合OG15，就这么决定了！

distinguish/discriminate + between A and B > + A from B

作者: cattsky 时间: 2006-8-25 16:53

以下是引用ogram在2005-7-8 2:33:00的发言：

我觉得discriminate A from B与discriminate between A and B两者的区别在于

前者是瞬时性、一次性动作

后者是经常性、系统性的动作，持续时间比较长

另外还有distinguish A from B和distinguish between A and B

也是类似情况。前者的意思是把A从A和B的混合物中鉴别出来，达到这个目的就算完事；而后者则是对A和B两样东西进行系统的研究、对比和区分

个人意见，呵呵

太有道理了！！

作者: Bill06 时间: 2006-9-20 12:17
谢谢前人的总结！！

作者: ericakiki 时间: 2007-1-1 02:45
山规啊……鼻血都要出来了

作者: Tonytan2006 时间: 2007-1-1 13:06
个人比较同意mjiehu的解释。

作者: superzzc 时间: 2008-6-19 11:01

作者: rockmax 时间: 2008-7-8 23:52

distinguish a from b 中的distinguish是vt.a是所选的b是摒弃掉的，a为主b为次；

distinguish between a and b中的distinguish是vi.ab都是要区分识别的，平级。
大体上没有区别

不知对否?

作者: 52element 时间: 2008-8-12 16:22
山规一刚。。。。

作者: 蓝飞 时间: 2009-3-17 14:16

我觉得from 侧重于从A中挑拣出B,而between...and....则是区分A和B,而没有"挑拣出"这个动作的意思,根据句子的含义,应该选C.可能有些牵强...但是我是这么理解的...

作者: Zurichsee 时间: 2011-1-10 15:08
恩。。。from是从A中挑拣B也不大对啊。。怎么从假的里挑真的呢、

anyway 山规。。。

作者: 像风一样离去 时间: 2011-3-13 10:24
不好意思，都是多年前的老前辈了，你的总结真的很给力，但是我还是想说，我发现distinguish的用法和你说的有点出入，能不能解释一下呢？这道题就是用的distinguish from，感激不尽。
1.Although many art patrons can readily differentiate a good debenture from an undesirable one, they are much less expert in distinguishing good paintings and poor ones, authentic art and fakes.
(A) much less expert in distinguishing good paintings and poor ones, authentic art and
(B) far less expert in distinguishing good paintings from poor ones, authentic art from
(C) much less expert when it comes to distinguishing good paintings and poor ones, authentic art from
(D) far less expert in distinguishing good paintings and poor ones, authentic art and（B）
(E) far less the expert when it comes to distinguishing between good painting, poor ones, authentic art, and

作者: lavinliu 时间: 2011-5-5 14:44
这种山规的题真是讨厌啊

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