你要能去 Wharton 那肯定搞顶啦。 大家不都说哪里都是帅哥吗？ 当然啦，还看你客人姿色，表现。 呵呵。。。
Just go to a bigger school with lots of people, 谁说你的另一半非得是MBA 里的人？
Just don't get married the first sememster, you will be way too busy for that. 也不要爱得死去活来的，没时间。
呵呵，女孩子年纪大了，总归是要嫁人的。27，8岁出去读书，不知道能不能顺带着在学校里把那一半也能搞定呢？总觉得学校里才是爱情的土壤，虽然商学院都是老大不小的了。有经验的出来冒个泡泡啊！
看来我要努力
中国美女嫁给美国帅哥， 好多对了。
如果你是男的， 也有希望， 不过如果你是男的， 都读MBA了， 干吗还急啊。
wharton中国女生可是比男生多啊。学校确实是个好土壤，有人不是说了，很多对在商学院里又重新排列组合的，不过如果沉浸在二人世界里，会少了很多和同学熟识的机会。
哈哈，STEVEN跃跃欲试了
看来我要努力
+U+U+U
This discussion brought up the concern mainstream society. I was going to post it on Businessweek MBA Blog, but it's a little sensitive, so I'll just post it here.
One of the everlasting topics discussed by immigrants is probably “get into the mainstream society”. But what is mainstream? Can we really get into the mainstream? Here’s my observation.
The 220 incoming Marshall MBA students are evenly divided into 3 cores, core A, B, and C. I’m in core C. To demonstrate their unique characters and spirits, each core chose a theme and wrapped itself up around it. Core C chose “pirates” as our theme. So we put on makeup as if it was a costume party. We made a 14-foot pirate ship, a banner, a treasure chest, and a princess’ chair. Each person wore an eye patch, some also wore beards, hooks, or wielded swords. Of course there were theme music and cheer songs. The whole thing was so much fun and I enjoyed it a lot. But here comes the subtleness: the Americans dominated the whole process. They came up with the choices of themes, they picked the costumes and other stuff, they edited the theme music, and they composed the cheer song. Naturally they took charge of organizing the whole thing. As I sat in the room, listening to the discussion, I clearly felt that this was not my turn. It was American culture, and I would feel lucky to be able to understand and participate in it. And then it comes the leadership style. In a situation like this that there are no designated leaders, there are always some Americans bold enough and loud enough to jump out and become the leaders. On the contrary, we Asians are just simply not this style. Then it was this black girl. She was so good at rhythm and cheerleading that she virtually became our spiritual leader. It was hard to believe that she was the same quiet girl sat next to me the other day, yet that’s American, ready to show off their talents at any time.
So this is the hardcore American culture, spirit, style, or whatever. The question is, can I become one of these people someday? My answer is: never. It’s just not my thing. I can act like Americans in many ways, sometimes I can even be more proactive than most Americans, but it’s not in my blood, I’m just “behaving like ” an American, but not “being” an American. And in terms of the culture thing, probably the best I can ever achieve is to understand it, but never expect to make it an integral part of my system.
Let’s go back to the issue of mainstream. As far as I understand, most people mean mid to upper class white society when they refer to the mainstream society. In this sense, I can surely say I will never truly get into the mainstream. Is it a bad thing? I would say no. The most important thing is knowing who you are and where is your best place in the structure, because that’s your competitive advantage over the others. And probably the most valuable thing an MBA can offer you is the many opportunities to realize who you are and where you should be.
2006年感动中国十大激情口号
胜过无数CD前辈的总结
哈哈哈
我狂笑三声。。。
唉。。。估计我去读书的话
我会想念死我家狗的。。。
怎么办啊？
真是此事古难全啊。。。。
If you think you can tell from Appearance to conclude someone is trash...I am sorry for your shallow judgement.
If I misunderstood what you mean, then above comment is not valid....
This discussion brought up the concern mainstream society. I was going to post it on Businessweek MBA Blog, but it's a little sensitive, so I'll just post it here.
One of the everlasting topics discussed by immigrants is probably “get into the mainstream society”. But what is mainstream? Can we really get into the mainstream? Here’s my observation.
The 220 incoming Marshall MBA students are evenly divided into 3 cores, core A, B, and C. I’m in core C. To demonstrate their unique characters and spirits, each core chose a theme and wrapped itself up around it. Core C chose “pirates” as our theme. So we put on makeup as if it was a costume party. We made a 14-foot pirate ship, a banner, a treasure chest, and a princess’ chair. Each person wore an eye patch, some also wore beards, hooks, or wielded swords. Of course there were theme music and cheer songs. The whole thing was so much fun and I enjoyed it a lot. But here comes the subtleness: the Americans dominated the whole process. They came up with the choices of themes, they picked the costumes and other stuff, they edited the theme music, and they composed the cheer song. Naturally they took charge of organizing the whole thing. As I sat in the room, listening to the discussion, I clearly felt that this was not my turn. It was American culture, and I would feel lucky to be able to understand and participate in it. And then it comes the leadership style. In a situation like this that there are no designated leaders, there are always some Americans bold enough and loud enough to jump out and become the leaders. On the contrary, we Asians are just simply not this style. Then it was this black girl. She was so good at rhythm and cheerleading that she virtually became our spiritual leader. It was hard to believe that she was the same quiet girl sat next to me the other day, yet that’s American, ready to show off their talents at any time.
So this is the hardcore American culture, spirit, style, or whatever. The question is, can I become one of these people someday? My answer is: never. It’s just not my thing. I can act like Americans in many ways, sometimes I can even be more proactive than most Americans, but it’s not in my blood, I’m just “behaving like ” an American, but not “being” an American. And in terms of the culture thing, probably the best I can ever achieve is to understand it, but never expect to make it an integral part of my system.
Let’s go back to the issue of mainstream. As far as I understand, most people mean mid to upper class white society when they refer to the mainstream society. In this sense, I can surely say I will never truly get into the mainstream. Is it a bad thing? I would say no. The most important thing is knowing who you are and where is your best place in the structure, because that’s your competitive advantage over the others. And probably the most valuable thing an MBA can offer you is the many opportunities to realize who you are and where you should be.
"If you think you can tell from Appearance to conclude someone is trash...I am sorry for your shallow judgement. or If I misunderstood what you mean, then above comment is not valid...."
-- If you happen to have chance to live in California, you will understand what I mean. What is trash is clear when you really saw (I do not want to describe here). Have you ever heard of a word called "white trash"? Try to understand that, you will know what I am talking about. Another thing, if you can judge "shallow" from the sentence only, then how can I say? i.e. do I need to use some word as well?
2006年感动中国十大激情口号
胜过无数CD前辈的总结
MBA男怎么了？有什么了不得的吗？
I agree with cfc and higherflyer that we Chinese in American do not have to painstakingly chase the so called mainstream as long as we can find our right position in the society. After all, American way means diversity, not homogeneity, and many other ethnic minorities such as Indians and Latin Americans also maintain their own unique social circle while actively participating in American social life.
That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.
I don't know if you guys have watched the movie "Philadelphia", a fine movie. In one scene, Tom Hanks sits in a sauna with his seniors of the law firm, when the seniors are uttering some fairly snide remarks on homosexuals. Tom Hanks is homosexual, and his face pales on hearing the comments (great acting by Hanks.)
This scene makes me very uncomfortable. Imagine that we have to sit with some executives, who happen to have some snide remarks on China, not on homosexuals. They can actually be doing this quite innocently, not necessarily out of discrimination. How to deal with such an imaginary situation? As an engineer, I do have a relatively good handle on such situation because I don't really care that much about building relationship with strangers. For MBAs, the story might be different.
I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.
With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.
Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But, please, let's all be calm and objective.
I agree with cfc and higherflyer that we Chinese in American do not have to painstakingly chase the so called mainstream as long as we can find our right position in the society. After all, American way means diversity, not homogeneity, and many other ethnic minorities such as Indians and Latin Americans also maintain their own unique social circle while actively participating in American social life.
That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.
I don't know if you guys have watched the movie "Philadelphia", a fine movie. In one scene, Tom Hanks sits in a sauna with his seniors of the law firm, when the seniors are uttering some fairly snide remarks on homosexuals. Tom Hanks is homosexual, and his face pales on hearing the comments (great acting by Hanks.)
This scene makes me very uncomfortable. Imagine that we have to sit with some executives, who happen to have some snide remarks on China, not on homosexuals. They can actually be doing this quite innocently, not necessarily out of discrimination. How to deal with such an imaginary situation? As an engineer, I do have a relatively good handle on such situation because I don't really care that much about building relationship with strangers. For MBAs, the story might be different.
I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.
With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.
Your thoughts and comments are welcome. But, please, let's all be calm and objective.
So Deep.
That being said, I do have some concern when it comes to MBA students. Theoretically, MBA graduates will find a career at a relatively high place in the corporate ladder, a place currently dominated by traditional American Whites. How do we Chinese MBA students comingle effectively with this dominant demographic? This has been a serious question for me personally, and it bothers me a lot.
I also sympathize with the scene described by cfc very well. A similar and consistent scene for me is my visits to Vegas or similar venues, where Americans seem to wholeheartedly enjoy everything there, while most Chinese are more like outsiders or "visitors." From professional point of view, such feeling probably "does not matter", and it is certainly true for people like me, who are engineers paying occasional visits to these places. However, imagine you are a VP for Mirage or Treasure Island, and the story will again be different.
With the risk of bringing up a separate and contentious debate, I'd say that perhaps eventually true Chinese businessman's future still lies in China. At least, that is my belief. If nothing else, the effort that I would have to invest to become part of the mainstream in US may allow me to achieve a lot more, and in a more meaningful and professional way. Therefore, I might have to do my best to comingle with others including Americans, but I probably will not push it too hard.
This is the best post I have ever seen in this forum. After living in this "diversified"and "free"country for six years, I feel the same way as you.
That's a paradox situation,in China lots of people keen to the higher education in the most famous business school in US,the most developed country in this world.And on the other hand,those, who live in the dreampalce not matter it is carlifornia , Philadelphia or somewhere else,put their dreams back to the motherland ,china,the biggest developing country in this world.Maybe that's the fate or the cycle by which make this world set well.Who knows...
In regard to personal point of view,from a simple angle of the truth,we can see that the live longth in some large extent is quite coordinate.We have about 30,000 days in our whole life,just put your focus on something that is much positive.What we want to do is to make yourself happier ,to dirve your family more harmony,to find your real lover,to have your career more successful,and to realized your dreams as many as you can.God is fair,you should treat yourself fairly as well.
Cultre discrepency is inevitable,Adapt to that,and take it easy.Ambitous sometimes drives you success,sometimes draw you back down.If you just wanna to be yourself ,you will have less cloud in your mind and meanwhile have some sunshine.As somebody said ,attitude sometimes is everything.
Gonghao,
You have a good point -- whenever possible, one should always try to be one's self and focus on things that are positive, or controllable, for that matter. I'm certainly all for such principle.
However, sometimes people inevitably find that what they have today is not what they really want, and the reasons can be diverse. It is true that many people in China are working hard to come to US, while some of those who have already lived in US for a while are thinking about going back. In my opinion, people are driven not only by opportunity and money, but also by dreams of living a fuller and richer life. Therefore, I personallly do not see much paradoxical nature in all these. After all, a person who has lived significant portion of his life in both US and China tends to a more well-rounded one, although not necessarily a happier one if he has too much dreams. But isn't dream that we are all chasing, as this site's name suggest? 
Of course gre046,
We show our respects to the man who chase his own dream and never give up.It represent an attitude to life,although some one do not think like that and they prefer it to lucky and opprotunity .you know,however,what you really love ,and then congratulations,you have a key to life .Dream seems to a clockwise cycle that today is here tomorrow is there.Today you find a wife in B-school,and that day you find that was a fault or it was the most correct choice you have ever made.So that's why in society that appears one pharse:follow your heart.
Yes,if you can folloe your heart,you will be happier and richer,not only in mental but also in asset.And as we all know ,willing is priceless ,unlike asset.So finding out your heart and activated it is the most important way to paly a better role in your life .
楼主不要急， 你的缘分自然就来了！
祝你早日找到你的理想中人！
This is the best post I have ever seen in this forum. After living in this "diversified"and "free"country for six years, I feel the same way as you.
true, true
I have been in the states for 6 years too. Same feeling.
Today we ran a beverage creation and marketing competition. Once again I contributed little to my team, and that was the case for most chinese as far as I know. But I'm confident that I would play at least an active role in analytical projects. These things are good opportunities to find your strength and weakness.
冒泡！
LZ真幽默！
This discussion brought up the concern mainstream society. I was going to post it on Businessweek MBA Blog, but it's a little sensitive, so I'll just post it here.
One of the everlasting topics discussed by immigrants is probably “get into the mainstream society”. But what is mainstream? Can we really get into the mainstream? Here’s my observation.
The 220 incoming Marshall MBA students are evenly divided into 3 cores, core A, B, and C. I’m in core C. To demonstrate their unique characters and spirits, each core chose a theme and wrapped itself up around it. Core C chose “pirates” as our theme. So we put on makeup as if it was a costume party. We made a 14-foot pirate ship, a banner, a treasure chest, and a princess’ chair. Each person wore an eye patch, some also wore beards, hooks, or wielded swords. Of course there were theme music and cheer songs. The whole thing was so much fun and I enjoyed it a lot. But here comes the subtleness: the Americans dominated the whole process. They came up with the choices of themes, they picked the costumes and other stuff, they edited the theme music, and they composed the cheer song. Naturally they took charge of organizing the whole thing. As I sat in the room, listening to the discussion, I clearly felt that this was not my turn. It was American culture, and I would feel lucky to be able to understand and participate in it. And then it comes the leadership style. In a situation like this that there are no designated leaders, there are always some Americans bold enough and loud enough to jump out and become the leaders. On the contrary, we Asians are just simply not this style. Then it was this black girl. She was so good at rhythm and cheerleading that she virtually became our spiritual leader. It was hard to believe that she was the same quiet girl sat next to me the other day, yet that’s American, ready to show off their talents at any time.
So this is the hardcore American culture, spirit, style, or whatever. The question is, can I become one of these people someday? My answer is: never. It’s just not my thing. I can act like Americans in many ways, sometimes I can even be more proactive than most Americans, but it’s not in my blood, I’m just “behaving like ” an American, but not “being” an American. And in terms of the culture thing, probably the best I can ever achieve is to understand it, but never expect to make it an integral part of my system.
Let’s go back to the issue of mainstream. As far as I understand, most people mean mid to upper class white society when they refer to the mainstream society. In this sense, I can surely say I will never truly get into the mainstream. Is it a bad thing? I would say no. The most important thing is knowing who you are and where is your best place in the structure, because that’s your competitive advantage over the others. And probably the most valuable thing an MBA can offer you is the many opportunities to realize who you are and where you should be.
GG 在我的母校念MBA呀！高兴！不过我是在SC-MARSHALL念的本科。在这儿提醒一下，PROF SU (一个originally from taiwan的女人)，非常讨厌。
GG 在我的母校念MBA呀！高兴！不过我是在SC-MARSHALL念的本科。在这儿提醒一下，PROF SU (一个originally from taiwan的女人)，非常讨厌。
GG 在我的母校念MBA呀！高兴！不过我是在SC-MARSHALL念的本科。在这儿提醒一下，PROF SU (一个originally from taiwan的女人)，非常讨厌。
也没有什么太大不了的。我上本科的时候，她有教过我，我毕业后她就去了MBA program. 如果你在Marshall一定会见到她的，她heads up the student Investment Club. 有一次还看到她代学生到我们公司来。anyway, 她就是那种本身是中国人但特喜欢白人男生(女生也不行哟)的人。还有就是为什么她会升到associate Dean 的原因。虽然不是rumor(因为我上学时发生的事)，但是还是不说了。 其实还有的personal的过节。很不讲人情的 (or can't talk sense to her maybe because i am chinese and a girl)，结果是她把我弄哭了，那节课得了A-, which I should have gotten a solid A. 虽然差不了多少，就是不甘心吧！呵呵，其实都过去了好久，也给放下了。但是每年读有朋友去SC念MBA，就忍不住提醒一下啦！不想作个记仇的人，只想作个爱恨分明的人
其实还有的personal的过节。很不讲人情的 (or can't talk sense to her maybe because i am chinese and a girl)，结果是她把我弄哭了，那节课得了A-, which I should have gotten a solid A. 虽然差不了多少，就是不甘心吧！呵呵，其实都过去了好久，也给放下了。但是每年读有朋友去SC念MBA，就忍不住提醒一下啦！不想作个记仇的人，只想作个爱恨分明的人
咦，她以经拿到了PHD了，不过我毕业也几年了。还好，这样也算说的过去，不然别的老师都是PHD，她自己也看不过去呀。不过CFC哥哥还真算是消息灵通呢！嘻嘻！是在SC念fulltime吗？我有几个朋友现在在念part time. 也没什么前途大好的说法，只不过早来了几年而已。(现在连GMAT还没搞定呢！唉)不过上班后也会遇到这些情况的，在学校时，和不来还可以不hang out,上班后就一定要和你不喜欢的人工作了！SC is a great school, specially its alumni network! get to know as many people as you can, they will come handy in the future! Go Trojans!!! Fight On!!!
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