愁眉不展的老实人，求高人指点、、、
本老实来美以有十余年，就职于一家巨型公司(Dow Listed)的R&D作Scientist近8年，工资近100K。作为Technical Job，除Inflation Adjustment 之外，收入基本封顶。
(Dow Listed)的R&D作Scientist近8年，工资近100K。作为Technical Job，除Inflation Adjustment 之外，收入基本封顶。最近想考LSAT，修PATENT LAW，动机有二。
LSAT，修PATENT LAW，动机有二。其一，想争得一个Professional Job,不再仰人鼻息，等50岁时，或可独立从业。
Professional Job,不再仰人鼻息，等50岁时，或可独立从业。其二，据老实了解，Patent Lawyer的收入可easily达120K至150K。
Patent Lawyer的收入可easily达120K至150K。令本老实头疼的是不知现在的工作是否成了鸡肋，是否值得为LAW SCHOOL一搏？
LAW SCHOOL一搏？望大虾们赐教，请不要取笑老实为盼、、、、、、
谢了。
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我是学理科出身，搞了很多年科研，但好像看不到什么出路。因为Technical Ladder 已经快爬到顶了，自觉Managerial Ladder 又与己无缘。不忍将此残生虚掷，于是想找一个有机会的行业。专利与我的工作还算有些关系吧。
Technical Ladder 已经快爬到顶了，自觉Managerial Ladder 又与己无缘。不忍将此残生虚掷，于是想找一个有机会的行业。专利与我的工作还算有些关系吧。问题就在于对法律没有什么激情和热望，也完全没有这方面的学识经历，只是想找一条有点发展机会的出路。
不知自己是否适合做法律，年龄嘛比local一所school of law 的平均录取年龄大出10岁，现在的工作也不错、、、
local一所school of law 的平均录取年龄大出10岁，现在的工作也不错、、、不知该考虑那些因素，如何决定是否去Take the Plunge?
Take the Plunge?学法律挺辛苦，一定要慎重考虑啊。
If the current career track leaves you with a unfulfilled feeling and you won't be happy staying at the same job thinking of where you could have been everyday, then I'd say consider it seriouly. Read more about law school and talk with people with in law profession or law school. Of course talk with your significant other and family. Maybe invest a few months time to take the LSAT first.
I'm in a similar boat though I have only been working for three years and far from reaching the top of what I do. My reason is a JD degree will open more doors for me and even in the area of what I'm doing now the law degree will give me a jump start.
Good luck.
您回得太好了！
我的写作肯定一般般。即便是自己再刻苦，恐怕也是朽木难雕了。
我担心也是到头来，花2-3倍的时间和努力，去赚1.1倍的钱。 又怕因水平不灵，混得灰头土脸。
又怕因水平不灵，混得灰头土脸。
If money is the only reason, don't do it. Period.
I know someone who went to law school at 40. He thinks it definitely worths it even you don't practice law afterwards.
每个人在进行职业选择时都会有不同的考虑, 所以其他人很难给出一个确定的答案 -- 是或否, 都往往流于草率. 个人认为, 在进行这样困难的抉择时, 不如列出两个表格, 每个表格都划为左右两列.
表格一: 分别列出目前工作的好处和不满意的地方, 也可以加入对目前生活的评价, 好的和不好的.
表格二: 分别列出转换职业后预期的所得与所失, 包括为了转换职业所要付出的代价, 以及对未来生活可能的影响, 好的和不好的.
在每个表格中, 好的放一列, 不好的放另一列, 如果还不能很清晰的得出答案的话,可以给各个项目赋予不同的数值, 再两项相减,得出一个数值.
毕竟, 每个人只能对自己负责, 别人的意见也只能参考. 而且, 每个人的情况也都不一样, 仅就目前的信息给出意见是不合适的. 另外, 强烈建议一定要和家人讨论一下, 倾听他们的意见, 说说自己的想法. 有了家人的支持, 事情往往会更好办.
祝你好运, 老实人!
Just do it.
I am in the same boat as some of you. Number of reasons for me,
1. I really felt terrified by the recent tech downturn. One has to aim for something better than salaried job. Not necessarily law, but any professional job with a frigging license that ensures no deflation of your value with increasing age and inflow of young guns/mimi. They cant outsource law/medicare/plumbing jobs.
2. Those have been working for a long while like us know there is really no bright future in corporate world. Politics, and aholes everywhere. Just feel stupid. I will go for whatever makes me feel independent.
3. Did I say as a lawyer you can suit the pants off the snob/arrogant mofo that you dont like. Nobody messes with you. Thats power. Try top that, as a science geek.
4. We will be fine. There is no such thing somebody is made for law profession. No worries there. That's why we go to law school for 3 years and pay tons of money to get trainned.
My first baby is on the way, hell knows how am I going to pull through. But if there is a will, there is a way!
Fair statement.
You mean they've outsourced trial lawer job, nursing care, doctor diagonsis to India. That's news to me. Like Senifield said "God I gotta get on that internet thing." My words is just get licensed, anything.
Practicing law give one an opptunity to be independent as opposed to in the coroprate world. Heck there are even politics in my house, if you want to nitpick what I say.
Most evil people? You mean Bin Ladden and Sadam?
You are biased.
Peace.
My wife is the medical field, so I know what I am talking about and you are talking about. Low level, non-licensed work is outsourced like reading lab results and back office job, but I am talking about licensed job like a attorney charing fee talking to client. These things are controled and regulated very strictly in US, I dont see foreign lawyers can come over and take over. To be a law prefessional is difficult, but that's the point. Tech is deflated, any mimi can transfer to be a tech.
Of course, being a lawyer means you make money by dealing with other's problems/shiat, maybe not so much in the patent law as the first poster says where he want to be. But anyways if one doesnt have stomach to do that, yeah he better thinks twice.
Now you just like to nitpick.
Peace.
I second nidm's points. Many preceive a legal job means more job security, power and independence. Yet the reality is quite different. Most Chinese students in American law schools choose careers in law firms, with a career ladder not unlike those in accounting and consulting firms.
Trial lawyers constitute a minority in law school graduates, and a even smaller minority among Chinese students. The image of trial lawyer in the minds of the non-lawyer public is quite different from the actual lives of many, if not most, lawyers.
Moreover, foreign lawyers can still come over. E.g. US LLM grads, although US educated, only takes 1 year before getting their degrees. This is not very different from the 1990's phenomenon of many foreigners coming to the US, getting a one year CS Master's Degree, and enter the job market quickly. I don't see the Bar requirement as a sufficiently high entry-barrier to ensure job security or status of US-educated (e.g. JD) lawyers.
Outsourcing is indeed an alarming trend. Although it only affects low-level legal work so far, please note the trend in tech-outsourcing. In the beginning, only certain call-center jobs were outsourced; then, maintainence, development/programming jobs. There is no doubt high level tech jobs still exist in the US, but the market is getting tighter and tighter. The same trend could happen in law, even if to a lesser extent.
If you read articles written by current Chinese JDs in America, a lot of them will paint a very rosy picture - e.g. excellent jobs, great pay, bright future. It is not that they are dishonest. It is just that those stories are written by a highly self-selected group: e.g. the people who happen to be very competent, fortunate, and successful. Those people who do not fare that well tend to say nothing at all. Therefore, if you read everything online, it's easy to have a biased picture, because you will hear a lot of the good news, but little or none of the bad news about getting a JD in the US.
This is similar to that you often see people claim getting a LSAT score above 170, but almost never someone getting a score below 155. We all know that statistically, far more people get scores below 155 than above 170.
I second nidm's points. Many preceive a legal job means more job security, power and independence. Yet the reality is quite different. Most Chinese students in American law schools choose careers in law firms, with a career ladder not unlike those in accounting and consulting firms.
Trial lawyers constitute a minority in law school graduates, and a even smaller minority among Chinese students. The image of trial lawyer in the minds of the non-lawyer public is quite different from the actual lives of many, if not most, lawyers.
Moreover, foreign lawyers can still come over. E.g. US LLM grads, although US educated, only takes 1 year before getting their degrees. This is not very different from the 1990's phenomenon of many foreigners coming to the US, getting a one year CS Master's Degree, and enter the job market quickly. I don't see the Bar requirement as a sufficiently high entry-barrier to ensure job security or status of US-educated (e.g. JD) lawyers.
Outsourcing is indeed an alarming trend. Although it only affects low-level legal work so far, please note the trend in tech-outsourcing. In the beginning, only certain call-center jobs were outsourced; then, maintainence, development/programming jobs. There is no doubt high level tech jobs still exist in the US, but the market is getting tighter and tighter. The same trend could happen in law, even if to a lesser extent.
Good info. Thanks.
For me going to law school is a challenge, and I like chanllenges. There arent many foreign educated law students in the law school to begin with. Less than 1%? Even after graduation, these are still obstacles for foreign born law pressional to succeed. But generally, foreigners are placed in disadvantagous position in US. Things are not easy. I agree with what you say.
But, one as a foreigner has to ask itself whether to accept disadvantage and be content with it? Going to law school at least present a chance to break the stigma. It present a chance to be different from most of other foreign people. I think there is demand for people with science background and fluent in foreign languages in the booming global economy. There is an advantage for inspired foreign students like you, I and the first poster . Think outside the box. It's hard to be mainstream trying to copy them. No, that's not the purpose of going to law school. Not for me. We've all got edges over the mainstream and I think there will be use for people like us in the global economy.
Good luck with your study in law school. Hang in there.
Peace
你好好笑，好好笑。
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