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作者: dandan74    时间: 2003-10-4 13:22
标题: OG-140
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A)    the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B)    which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C)    the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D)    which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E)    the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are
What does it mean by "the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season? I don't understand this clause. Can anybody help?
作者: kathy72    时间: 2003-10-4 15:39
答案是E吧.

the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, 是作为farm equipment and land 的同位语,意思是说农民以农具和土地作为抵押获得贷款,以渡过收获的季节.
作者: dandan74    时间: 2003-10-5 04:28
Thank you .I got it.
作者: 盈盈绿茶    时间: 2004-3-5 00:11
against在这句话中如何理解?    farmers borrow     agsinst which( the collatral) to get----- ,怎莫会agaist the collateral 呢?
作者: Snazzy    时间: 2004-3-5 06:46
it's kind of comparison. 用。。。 做抵押 eg:

i lease a sport car against my house


作者: 月亮生花    时间: 2004-4-20 23:57

og的解释: use as 和borrow against 是相同的意思

但是我还是搞不明白,怎么会用against呢?


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-28 09:45

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are

collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧?


作者: juan    时间: 2004-4-28 12:47
标题: 奇怪。
以下是引用tianwan在2004-4-28 9:45:00的发言:

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are


collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧?



这也是我的困惑。我觉得collateral应该是指farm equipment and land. ETS怎么会这样解释?
作者: cocoabean    时间: 2004-5-4 10:44
以下是引用月亮生花在2004-4-20 23:57:00的发言:

og的解释: use as 和borrow against 是相同的意思


但是我还是搞不明白,怎么会用against呢?


since use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning.

collateral 抵押品本身就是用作抵押来借钱的东西.

borrow against 是靠...来借钱, 所以意思重复


作者: 心晴    时间: 2004-6-7 09:11
越来越不明白了,到底against是干吗的呢?
作者: 心晴    时间: 2004-6-9 06:51

顶,哪位NN来说一下。


作者: Andrea625    时间: 2004-6-24 16:40

the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season,

against前是抵押,后边是抵押来的钱。against的用处就是联系这两个的吧。


作者: tomrchu    时间: 2004-7-5 16:40
以下是引用tianwan在2004-4-28 9:45:00的发言:

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are


collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧?



我觉得应该指的是equipment and land
作者: egretxm    时间: 2004-7-20 06:15

同意楼上的说法!

这大概是ETS搞错了, 但又不敢随便否定OG, 请高手指教!


作者: egretxm    时间: 2004-8-7 03:06
顶!请指点!
作者: Quincy    时间: 2004-8-26 06:11

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are
collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧?

但是照句子的意思是指" Declining values", 农具的贬值怎么可以作为抵押品呢??很是不解, 请大牛指教.


作者: LES    时间: 2004-8-26 10:15

Choice E, the best answer, succinctly and clearly identifies the Declining values as the collateral against which farmers borrow and correctly uses the plural verb are
collateral 不应该指Declining values 吧?




但是照句子的意思是指" Declining values", 农具的贬值怎么可以作为抵押品呢??很是不解, 请大牛指教.


这里identifies应该理解成“指出”更确切一些吧。


作者: flywood    时间: 2004-9-7 07:35

名词A+介词+名词B,同位语结构,....请问同位语修饰的是A还是B,怎么判断,逻辑意思还是语法规则判断?


作者: blur    时间: 2004-10-12 05:00

up.


作者: agk99    时间: 2004-10-23 00:20
以下是引用flywood在2004-9-7 7:35:00的发言:

名词A+介词+名词B,同位语结构,....请问同位语修饰的是A还是B,怎么判断,逻辑意思还是语法规则判断?


显然是逻辑意思判断同位语的修饰对象,这里当然是指名词 b


但我的困扰除了问了很多次的解释所谓declining values as the collateral 的问题外,还有一个问题,就是这个against怎么解释,看样子是介词+关代的简化形式,那原来的句式是如何呢?borrow against? against是什么理解的呢? against what?


这一题的旧帖我都查了,但意外发现没有定论,请NN回回看吧




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作者: agk99    时间: 2004-10-23 17:29

这一题真没有人能回答吗,再顶

我看了一天,我覺得against 是針對declining values...


作者: agk99    时间: 2004-10-24 00:29

沒人回


自己回好了


我的研究結論,which是指declining values


至於原題的還原句則是


Declining values for farm equipment and land are going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring. and The collateral farmers borrow to get through the harvest season against declining values.


兩句简化後,就是OG140了


這樣分析對不?請大家指教


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作者: stellate    时间: 2004-10-24 01:41
以下是引用dandan74在2003-10-4 13:22:00的发言:
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

borrow against collateral=loan against collateral 是以抵押形式取得贷款或借款的固定表达。against是:以...为抵押借... 的介词。

which=the collateral=values(for farm equipment and land)

农民是以农器具和土地的价值为抵押。抵押的是价值,下降的也是价值。整个前句的核心词就是values,其他都是修饰成分。


作者: agk99    时间: 2004-10-24 03:49

謝謝stellate,你的看法讓我更有信心了


作者: fbfamous    时间: 2004-11-30 22:25

是不是就是说跟use as还是有点区别??

use sth as sth,而borrow  against sth??这样??


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-3-25 07:42
以下是引用stellate在2004-10-24 1:41:00的发言:


borrow against collateral=loan against collateral 是以抵押形式取得贷款或借款的固定表达。against是:以...为抵押借... 的介词。

which=the collateral=values(for farm equipment and land)

农民是以农器具和土地的价值为抵押。抵押的是价值,下降的也是价值。整个前句的核心词就是values,其他都是修饰成分。



牛!!!
作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-3-25 07:48

我问一个新问题不知道算不算钻牛角尖



Choice C presents the wordy expression the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through..., in which the passive verb creates an awkward and confusing construction.


这个是OG关于C得解释,但是我不明白的是the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers被动语态 后面有by farmers 动作的执行者,为什么还是confusing


最近看OG又很多疑惑,脑子转不过来,希望大家多多帮忙,谢谢


作者: anyname    时间: 2005-3-25 12:28
以下是引用zhoushao在2005-3-25 7:48:00的发言:

我问一个新问题不知道算不算钻牛角尖



Choice C presents the wordy expression the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through..., in which the passive verb creates an awkward and confusing construction.


这个是OG关于C得解释,但是我不明白的是the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers被动语态 后面有by farmers 动作的执行者,为什么还是confusing


最近看OG又很多疑惑,脑子转不过来,希望大家多多帮忙,谢谢



正确答案E:


the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season


意思是:


against the collateral farmers borrow to get through the harvest season


错误答案C:


the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season


似乎说:


the collateral is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season


所以confusing。


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 13:02
以下是引用anyname在2005-3-25 12:28:00的发言:



正确答案E:


the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season


意思是:


against the collateral farmers borrow to get through the harvest season


错误答案C:


the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season


the collateral is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season


所以confusing。


我这里不明白的是confusing是指意思吗,是指那方便,指带?可不可以翻成中文,我想了半天还是不懂,晕的说


作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-4-20 13:39

anyname解释的很清楚:

原文要表达: against the collateral farmers borrow to get through the harvest season

但C表达成: the collateral is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 13:49

我明白了,我俩想的不是一个问题

这里borrow against是一个词组,在E中属于介词+which结构,

我认为E的语序应为:

farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season

which代the collateral

不知明白我的问题没


作者: anyname    时间: 2005-4-20 23:23

我认为E的语序应为:
farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season
which代the collateral

正确。但C的错误是语序变了。中文意思:

E: 农民以农具和土地作抵押来借贷度日。。。

而C:抵押(即农具和土地)被借来度日。。。=>confusing

不知这样是否回答了的zhoushao问题?


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-24 00:10
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作者: adii    时间: 2005-4-24 17:18
标题: 回复:(anyname)[QUOTE]我认为E的语序应为:farme...

同意这位前辈的看法


感觉C强调的是借equipment and land来度日,而E强调的是用这些东西做抵押再去借其他的东西度日。


不知道我是不是理解对了?


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-24 17:55

啊!!!想通了!感谢感谢adii,anynameGG,紫草JJ

以下是引用adii在2005-4-24 17:18:00的发言:

同意这位前辈的看法

感觉C强调的是借equipment and land来度日,而E强调的是用这些东西做抵押再去借其他的东西度日。

不知道我是不是理解对了?

说得好!!!也正像anynameGG说得

以下是引用anyname在2005-4-20 23:23:00的发言:

正确。但C的错误是语序变了。中文意思:

E: 农民以农具和土地作抵押来借贷度日。。。

而C:抵押(即农具和土地)被借来度日。。。=>confusing

不知这样是否回答了的zhoushao问题?

这个E是主动语态,farmers直接发出要借代得动作已达到get through得目的,强调得是要达到这个目的

但是C中却是被动语态,似乎强调得只是借代这个动作,(至于借来是不是为自己还是为其他人另有一说)

就像,举个简单例子

我借之笔来写字(就是我要写字,我主动发出这个动作)

笔被我借来写字(我只是发出借这个动作,有可能是借给别人写字)

想了半天才想通,不过,今天不敢在想了,怕有掉进去出不来


作者: calla    时间: 2005-4-27 20:21
以下是引用zhoushao在2005-4-24 17:55:00的发言:

啊!!!想通了!感谢感谢adii,anynameGG,紫草JJ


这个E是主动语态,farmers直接发出要借代得动作已达到get through得目的,强调得是要达到这个目的


但是C中却是被动语态,似乎强调得只是借代这个动作,(至于借来是不是为自己还是为其他人另有一说)


就像,举个简单例子


我借之笔来写字(就是我要写字,我主动发出这个动作)


笔被我借来写字(我只是发出借这个动作,有可能是借给别人写字)


想了半天才想通,不过,今天不敢在想了,怕有掉进去出不来


我当初也有这个疑问,看了前面的讨论觉得豁然开朗。

不过JJ这么理解好像不太对,他们的意思好像是说:

C采用了被动语态,如果把C改成主动语态之后,collateral就变成了borrow的宾语,即borrow collateral against,而原句要表达的意思是borrow credit against collateral。所以confusing.

名词做介词宾语时不能随便倒装。

不知道我说得对不?


作者: biss33    时间: 2005-5-16 19:50
以下是引用calla在2005-4-27 20:21:00的发言:


我当初也有这个疑问,看了前面的讨论觉得豁然开朗。

不过JJ这么理解好像不太对,他们的意思好像是说:

C采用了被动语态,如果把C改成主动语态之后,collateral就变成了borrow的宾语,即borrow collateral against,而原句要表达的意思是borrow credit against collateral。所以confusing.

名词做介词宾语时不能随便倒装。

不知道我说得对不?


agree,我也有同感。不知道理解的对不?请nn指正


作者: advantage    时间: 2005-6-25 21:13
以下是引用anyname在2005-4-20 23:23:00的发言:


正确。但C的错误是语序变了。中文意思:


E: 农民以农具和土地作抵押来借贷度日。。。


而C:抵押(即农具和土地)被借来度日。。。=>confusing


不知这样是否回答了的zhoushao问题?



解释的很通哦
作者: hybo    时间: 2005-8-9 17:51
以下是引用zhoushao在2005-4-24 17:55:00的发言:

啊!!!想通了!感谢感谢adii,anynameGG,紫草JJ


这个E是主动语态,farmers直接发出要借代得动作已达到get through得目的,强调得是要达到这个目的


但是C中却是被动语态,似乎强调得只是借代这个动作,(至于借来是不是为自己还是为其他人另有一说)


就像,举个简单例子


我借之笔来写字(就是我要写字,我主动发出这个动作)


笔被我借来写字(我只是发出借这个动作,有可能是借给别人写字)


想了半天才想通,不过,今天不敢在想了,怕有掉进去出不来


我想应该是这样:

短语borrow (a sum of money) agaist sth.中,borrow是不及物动词(省略了其对象money),AGAINST 引导介词短语修饰borrow,表示以某种方式(抵押)来borrow.

转换为被动语态时,正确的表述应该以动词的实际对象(money)为主语,即:a sum of money is borrowed against sth;而不是sth is borrowed against。后者导致语义和语法的双重错误:第一,认为抵押物被借了;第二,介词孤单,没有宾语。

因此c选项不是简单地因使用被动语态导致错误,而是不正确地使用了被动语态导致荒谬。


作者: stellaleigh    时间: 2006-4-15 21:15
请问关于这一题,collateral应该是作为declining values 的同位语八?那为什么不用复数形式呢?傻傻的问题。
作者: xlhu    时间: 2006-5-3 08:01

up!


作者: xlhu    时间: 2006-5-3 08:03
Thank you !
作者: aborigin    时间: 2006-6-14 11:20

个人想法,请NN们指教

      Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

中的the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season是不是做定请从句,  which 指逗号前面的farm equipment and land

这个定语从句还原一下,farmers borrow the collateral against farm equipment and land
                            
to get through the harvest season,

请大家讨论。


作者: madben    时间: 2006-6-14 12:24
以下是引用aborigin在2006-6-14 11:20:00的发言:

个人想法,请NN们指教

      Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.

中的the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season是不是做定请从句,  which 指逗号前面的farm equipment and land

这个定语从句还原一下,farmers borrow the collateral against farm equipment and land
       
to get through the harvest season,

请大家讨论。

Farmers borrow against the collateral, i.e., farm equipment and land, to get through the harvest season.


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作者: madben    时间: 2006-6-14 12:34
以下是引用stellate在2004-10-24 1:41:00的发言:

(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

borrow against collateral=loan against collateral 是以抵押形式取得贷款或借款的固定表达。against是:以...为抵押借... 的介词。 同意

which=the collateral=values(for farm equipment and land) 不同意

农民是以农器具和土地的价值为抵押。抵押的是价值,下降的也是价值。整个前句的核心词就是values,其他都是修饰成分。不同意

which = the collateral = farm equipment and land

农民是以农器具和土地为抵押, 被抵押的只能是实际物品,而不是价值。因为如果农民不能还钱,被银行没收抵债的只能是做为抵押的物品,而不是这些物品的价值。


作者: aborigin    时间: 2006-6-14 13:52

to Madben

明白了,谢谢


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作者: anniya    时间: 2006-7-6 22:07
以下是引用stellaleigh在2006-4-15 21:15:00的发言:
请问关于这一题,collateral应该是作为declining values 的同位语八?那为什么不用复数形式呢?傻傻的问题。
这个我知道:)
同位语和主语是没有必要单复一致的!咱就别管了!咱只要知道什么是不对的!哈哈
当然,如果这两个东西不是同位语。。。

 
作者: 荷包里的月亮    时间: 2006-8-5 11:23

我也觉得这个against指向的应该是farm equipment and land, 因为collateral指的是抵押物而不是抵押物的价值, 下面引用collins的解释:

collateral: money or property which is used as a guarentee that someone will repay a loan

个人看法哦...


作者: cattsky    时间: 2006-8-7 15:14
以下是引用anniya在2006-7-6 22:07:00的发言:

 

collateral作为同位语对应的应该是equipment and land吧?


作者: sam1981    时间: 2006-9-11 10:37

是的,这里的the collateral有两重角色,一是做farm equipment and land的同位语,二是做which的先行词,起到一个桥梁作用。


作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-9-26 11:31
以下是引用madben在2006-6-14 12:34:00的发言:

which = the collateral = farm equipment and land

农民是以农器具和土地为抵押, 被抵押的只能是实际物品,而不是价值。因为如果农民不能还钱,被银行没收抵债的只能是做为抵押的物品,而不是这些物品的价值。

NN讲得好。
作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-9-26 11:37
以下是引用dandan74在2003-10-4 13:22:00的发言:
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

我对D选项想不通,我觉得D选项挺好的啊,为什么用use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season不对呢???

百思不得其解,请求支援啊。。。。。。。。

谢谢。


作者: Cafe    时间: 2006-9-26 21:58

if which is farm and equipment, it's better to use a word with the same meaning only once rather than twice.


作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-9-28 06:16
以下是引用dandan74在2003-10-4 13:22:00的发言:
140. Declining values for farm equipment and land, the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is going to force many lenders to tighten or deny credit this spring.
(A) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, is
(B) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, is
(C) the collateral which is borrowed against by farmers to get through the harvest season, is
(D) which farmers use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season, are
(E) the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are
What does it mean by "the collateral against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season? I don't understand this clause. Can anybody help?

先把CAFE的回复贴上,

i问题:f which is farm and equipment, it's better to use a word with the same meaning only once rather than twice.

你好,谢谢你帮我答题,可是我没看懂呢,丢人,你能用中文讲的白话一点吗。

CAFE的回答:  我的想法其實很簡單,如果這which = farm and equipment,那farm and equipment應只說一次,並用which代出關係子句。(不好意思,手邊沒有書,但我的意思大概就是這樣,還請您指教)

再接着问

我还是没想明白,按照你的说法,那么正确答案E也不对了,麻烦你再看看,你比较一下D和E,按你的说法,都说了两次了,还是我没有真正明白你的意思呢??

谢谢


作者: sinoversion    时间: 2006-9-30 12:36

1.use as collateral and borrow against have the same meaning.

是这两个部分,不是which....


作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-10-1 05:23
明白了。谢谢。
作者: autumn713    时间: 2006-10-15 20:41

所以意思就是說這個是redundency嗎?

因為 use as collateral
        
用來當成抵押品

borrow against
        
用...來借

意思是一樣的
        
因為"用來當成抵押品"就是要"用來借"

所以重複表達意思了嗎?

謝謝NN


作者: shanj    时间: 2006-11-3 15:33

同意ets抵押是价值的同位语了,因为土地不会被搬到银行,种地用的器具也不会抵押在银行,只有价值才可以抵押。

value=collateral


作者: denne    时间: 2006-12-26 14:12
以下是引用hybo在2005-8-9 17:51:00的发言:

我想应该是这样:

短语borrow (a sum of money) agaist sth.中,borrow是不及物动词(省略了其对象money),AGAINST 引导介词短语修饰borrow,表示以某种方式(抵押)来borrow.

转换为被动语态时,正确的表述应该以动词的实际对象(money)为主语,即:a sum of money is borrowed against sth;而不是sth is borrowed against。后者导致语义和语法的双重错误:第一,认为抵押物被借了;第二,介词孤单,没有宾语。

因此c选项不是简单地因使用被动语态导致错误,而是不正确地使用了被动语态导致荒谬。

zan~
作者: figowang    时间: 2006-12-27 00:34

我觉得D如果改成以下两种形式,应该就都对了:

against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

which farmers use as collateral to get through the harvest season, are


作者: mbamom    时间: 2007-1-16 06:48
以下是引用figowang在2006-12-27 0:34:00的发言:

我觉得D如果改成以下两种形式,应该就都对了:

against which farmers borrow to get through the harvest season, are

which farmers use as collateral to get through the harvest season, are

不同意,the collateral against which...是前面declining values of ...的同位语, 而which代collateral, 不是 farm equipment and land, 另外可参看og144, 与本题很相似


作者: 姽婳    时间: 2007-2-23 20:17
以下是引用madben在2006-6-14 12:34:00的发言:

which = the collateral = farm equipment and land

农民是以农器具和土地为抵押, 被抵押的只能是实际物品,而不是价值。因为如果农民不能还钱,被银行没收抵债的只能是做为抵押的物品,而不是这些物品的价值。

    的确抵押品是物品.但是本题要讲的内容是由于作为抵押品的物品价值下降,使得lenders不愿意再借钱给农民.强调的内容还是下降的物品的价值,所以抵押应该是价值的同位语.


作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-24 19:17
以下是引用amy7777在2006-9-26 11:37:00的发言:

我对D选项想不通,我觉得D选项挺好的啊,为什么用use as collateral to borrow against to get through the harvest season不对呢???

百思不得其解,请求支援啊。。。。。。。。

谢谢。

loan against collateral ------ 抵押贷款

borrow (money) against collateral ------- 抵押借款

v. against collateral ------- 抵押v. 是一种简洁的固定搭配.,本身就含有use as collateral的意思.   

所以OG解释说:Use as collateral to borrow against is redundant; the wording is awkward 

简而言之就是语义重复.


作者: shuishui_xp    时间: 2008-9-26 23:30
以下是引用hybo在2005-8-9 17:51:00的发言:

我想应该是这样:

短语borrow (a sum of money) agaist sth.中,borrow是不及物动词(省略了其对象money),AGAINST 引导介词短语修饰borrow,表示以某种方式(抵押)来borrow.

转换为被动语态时,正确的表述应该以动词的实际对象(money)为主语,即:a sum of money is borrowed against sth;而不是sth is borrowed against。后者导致语义和语法的双重错误:第一,认为抵押物被借了;第二,介词孤单,没有宾语。

因此c选项不是简单地因使用被动语态导致错误,而是不正确地使用了被动语态导致荒谬。

同意hybo的看法


作者: GHOSTFACE    时间: 2008-10-29 10:49
以下是引用姽婳在2007-2-23 20:17:00的发言:
以下是引用madben在2006-6-14 12:34:00的发言:

which = the collateral = farm equipment and land

农民是以农器具和土地为抵押, 被抵押的只能是实际物品,而不是价值。因为如果农民不能还钱,被银行没收抵债的只能是做为抵押的物品,而不是这些物品的价值。

    的确抵押品是物品.但是本题要讲的内容是由于作为抵押品的物品价值下降,使得lenders不愿意再借钱给农民.强调的内容还是下降的物品的价值,所以抵押应该是价值的同位语.

本题是不是应该翻译成:农民们用来作为抵押品进行借贷的房屋和土地的贬值,迫使。。。。所以collateral还是房屋和土地的同位语吧


作者: winnemashi    时间: 2009-10-8 10:37
以下是引用anyname在2005/4/20 23:23:00的发言:

我认为E的语序应为:
farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season
which代the collateral

我认为E的语序应为:
farmers borrow against the collateral to get through the harvest season
which代the collateral

正确。但C的错误是语序变了。中文意思:

E: 农民以农具和土地作抵押来借贷度日。。。

而C:抵押(即农具和土地)被借来度日。。。=>confusing

不知这样是否回答了的zhoushao问题?

反对噻,“C:抵押(即农具和土地)被借来度日。。。”把borrow against翻译“被借来(borrow)”了,没有抵押的意思在里面了

C应该是   农具和土地被农民用作抵押品来借贷度日。个人觉得C并没有造成歧义,主要是被动形式不好,因为有明确的主语


作者: mbasunren    时间: 2010-4-16 20:04
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作者: viking00x    时间: 2012-7-12 13:38
我觉得the collateral应该是farm equipment and land的同位语,抵押的还是东西而非价值,只是进一步限定farm equipment and land(即farmers为了度过harvest season而用来当做抵押的farm equipment and land),而主句强调的是这些被限定的farm equipment and land的价值下降,导致lenders不愿意再接受farmers的这种类似的抵押贷款行为。

不知道理解是否正确,请NN指点。
作者: zwhjzwhj    时间: 2015-2-15 19:23
viking00x 发表于 2012-7-12 13:38
我觉得the collateral应该是farm equipment and land的同位语,抵押的还是东西而非价值,只是进一步限定far ...

我觉得楼上的解释是对的
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赞同hybo的分析!同时也同意66楼winnemashi的“主要是被动形式不好,因为有明确的主语”的看法
短语borrow (a sum of money) agaist sth.中,borrow是不及物动词(省略了其对象money),AGAINST 引导介词短语修饰borrow,表示以某种方式(抵押)来borrow.

转换为被动语态时,正确的表述应该以动词的实际对象(money)为主语,即:a sum of money is borrowed against sth;而不是sth is borrowed against。后者导致语义和语法的双重错误:第一,认为抵押物被借了;第二,介词孤单,没有宾语。

因此c选项不是简单地因使用被动语态导致错误,而是不正确地使用了被动语态导致荒谬。


borrow against sth就是以sth 作为抵押借钱...的意思

貌似不是idiom,主要是平时习惯用against来引出抵押物
参考:If you are a homeowner youcould have thousands of pounds locked up in the value of your home. But if you need to borrow, is taking out a secured loan against your home sensible orsomething to avoid at all costs?[1]
从中文意思来看 against+n表示以n作为抵押来贷款(taking out a secured loan)

在参考:抵押贷款-loan againstcollateral; loan on collateral security; loan on mortgage; loan on security; secured loan
可以看出,loan against/on 后面都可以引出抵押物,所以这是个介词的用法而已
[1]http://www.money.co.uk/loans/should-you-borrow-against-your-home.htm    在wiki搜索collateral也能看到against的用法

这里已经有明确的动作发出者farmers了,所以直接用主动语态更好










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