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作者: mobileone    时间: 2006-6-16 14:33
标题: 关于低龄和高龄MBA的一点拙见

最近发现这里高龄报考MBA的人有所增加,但似乎都很低调。毫无疑问,28、29是读MBA的最佳年龄,也就是说在出身、背景、GMAT分数都差不多的情况下,商学院决定录取一个32岁的人而不是一个28岁的人,应该完全取决于自28岁以后的4年有什么创新或是多样性以及你的目标。

大多数人都觉得30岁的人比20岁的人少了很多激情或是冲劲,甚至怀疑到接受新知识的能力,我想这些基本是潜意识的陈见罢了。最近看了报纸,说70岁的老太用四年时间完成了Havard的本科课程,我想Havard也应该有不少20多岁拿不到毕业证的。

很多人在给LZ提供答案时,会让LZ反问自己为什么要读MBA或是MBA能给LZ带来什么之类,其实,MBA 在我眼中完全是自我提升,它只是一个工具,只不过这个工具是机能性的,而非实体。很简单地做个假设,一个没有读过MBA的人目前的职业前景尚且不差的话,很难想象读了两年MBA之后会变的更糟。

所以,要做的只是在自己决定MBA之前理清一切头绪,定好当前的位置和设想未来五年、十年的位置。而当你人生的blueprint清晰后并决定开始做时——很少有人会做不好。


作者: lsw    时间: 2006-6-16 14:59

俺就是正处在迷茫的状态,还没有找到一个明确的目标供自己奋斗。

但是总得做点儿什么,不能把时间浪费在寻找目标呀,俺经常看《财经》这份杂志,看到上面有BIMBA、中欧和长江等商学院的广告,所以今年春节后突然萌发了MBA的念头。

俺上大学的时候看过一本书《哈佛商学院亲历记》,印象深刻,也一直存在一种向往。

人嘛,总得有点儿想法才行。


作者: Extremelight    时间: 2006-6-16 21:47
我觉得什么都不重要,关键的是要不要。
作者: merben    时间: 2006-6-18 06:37

年龄大了的确不是优势,因为不太好找工作.


作者: hummel    时间: 2006-6-18 18:01

看他的出发点了,如果愿意读,就算不为什么,也是一种体验...

支持!


作者: 谢沁薇    时间: 2006-6-18 20:01
HUMMEL 说到小妹心坎上了!
作者: 阿牛头    时间: 2007-1-4 21:54

我现在32岁了,开始准备行吗?

到申请的时候都33了,靠!


作者: woverycool    时间: 2007-1-5 00:41

i think for old applicant b-schools looks more on ur achievement, ur goal, and the gap in between. like me, no significant achievement up to now, but set up a ambicious goal, finally got dinged even with acceptable G740 and GPA3.9. for young guys, ambition is reasonable because they have time, and energy.... Compared with our Chinese peer, my candidacy is weak!

taking this lesson, i won't apply for the coming yrs due to the cost-benefit concern. i would like to consider it as 一种体验 as HUMMEL says, probably in late 30s.


作者: caobi    时间: 2007-1-5 00:46
older is better, my friend works for admission
作者: shangsr    时间: 2007-1-5 02:50
老了就别申H/S了,浪费时间
作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2007-1-5 03:16
刚交了WHARTON的申请信就受到WHARTON的E-MAIL邀请我申请EMBA,真是老了
作者: angelene2000    时间: 2007-1-5 04:13
以下是引用woverycool在2007-1-5 0:41:00的发言:

i think for old applicant b-schools looks more on ur achievement, ur goal, and the gap in between. like me, no significant achievement up to now, but set up a ambicious goal, finally got dinged even with acceptable G740 and GPA3.9. for young guys, ambition is reasonable because they have time, and energy.... Compared with our Chinese peer, my candidacy is weak!

taking this lesson, i won't apply for the coming yrs due to the cost-benefit concern. i would like to consider it as 一种体验 as HUMMEL says, probably in late 30s.

you should not be discouraged by dinged to some school..here some doors are closed to you..but look at the others..some doors are open to you..do not wait to next year..as you will get one year old...i am same with you..34 this year..and G740..GPA3.0..i want to go to top 5..but dinged by wharton and columbia..i was depressed..but i change the target to Yale..and CMU..I got in....if you are older than 33..better do it sooner than late..unless you will make significant change next year..otherwise..try r2..and check your application package..package is more important than your scores...as far as I feel..


作者: gobeyond    时间: 2007-1-5 06:06
angelene2000 jj, would you like to share more of your background? thanx.
作者: henrywang1220    时间: 2007-1-8 19:58

Age is only a number when we talk about our ambition.At the same we've got to understand that it is nature that our energy starts to go down after early 30s.

If a 30's something competes in sport again people in their 20's, most likely he is in great disadvantage.

So the point is older applicants have to have reasonable goals and find the right track to compete after graduation. Say, going back to the industry where you worked before, avoiding high paying sweatshops like IB and consulting, starting you own business in own pace are all good options.

Let's make up a case for discussion. Let's say you have been working in IT for 3 years' programming, 3 year 'technical support, then 3 years' marketing, all together 9 years. You may look too old for some people and some school. Anyhow you went to get an MBA from xxx school. And you come back and find a marketing job in IT sector again. You are now around 33. You work in the same company for 3 years and there comes a vacancy of a marketing director. You've proved yourself with excellent performance and broader perspective because of comprehensive business training. You will mostly likely be among the top candidates. It is quite logical. If ten years later, you are around 43 and the company is in need of a VP or MD. Who will be the best candidate? It is so apparent.

It is interesting to see that people here are always want to make quick fortune and take rocket to get the top jobs. 


作者: pride2007    时间: 2007-1-8 21:41
如果你还年轻,不要浪费时间,赶紧去读mba。如果你岁数已大,不要多想哪怕一分钟你的年龄,赶紧去读mba。

作者: woverycool    时间: 2007-1-8 22:23

Old aged applicants have to address the issues of cost-benefit and ROI.


作者: cicilla    时间: 2007-1-8 23:16

心态年轻就可以了:)。男人40一朵花呢。

25-35读MBA应该都还是可以的吧。:)


作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2007-1-9 01:32
C版这么一说不就把我给排出在外了? 还想到WHARTON见见你们,看样子希望不大了.郁闷!

作者: zhaoyak7    时间: 2007-1-9 02:08

高说高有理,低说低有理。

看了之后不知道该从何说起


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作者: jiwang4    时间: 2007-1-9 08:13
以下是引用zyesandiego在2007-1-9 1:32:00的发言:
C版这么一说不就把我给排出在外了? 还想到WHARTON见见你们,看样子希望不大了.郁闷!

heihei, don't be discouraged.  She also said 40 years old guy is a flower

How did Wharton ask you to apply EMBA?  Before they even read your application?


作者: zyesandiego    时间: 2007-1-9 09:06
LS, perhaps it is the combination of my GMAT score, my Ph.D title and age. Wharton EMBA got my information from Pearson VUE.

作者: feynman烨    时间: 2007-2-1 18:12

我有一个相反的年龄问题。

我还没开始申请,刚刚来到cd不久。我今年21,大四快毕业了。在这里看到的申请mba的人们都有丰富的工作经验和背景,常规年龄在27,28的多。在商学院的网站上看过,似乎他们对工作经验要求很重。我是希望可以趁年轻的时候去念书,能有一个高的起点。

知道这样的路很困难,但是还是想努力一把。如果今年不行(08秋季入学),就先工作再申。觉得申请过程得到的磨练对工作也很有好处。

想知道我应该比别人多做些什么,希望得到大家的指点。谢谢……:)

成绩没全部出来,gpa不知道,估计是二点几那种。gmat还没考。


作者: haha2007    时间: 2007-2-1 18:29
以下是引用jiwang4在2007-1-9 8:13:00的发言:

heihei, don't be discouraged.  She also said 40 years old guy is a flower

How did Wharton ask you to apply EMBA?  Before they even read your application?

got the same question.


作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-1 18:41

I belong to the aging group. 

Well, I didn't have a clear career goal until I reached my late 20s.

It's getting clearer and clearer as my age increases.

I'm well over 30.  When i wrote the essays on why MBA and my post MBA career goals, short-term or long-term, I was not making up sensational stories.  I just told my true stories.

MBA is only one option.  There are options leading to success.  Perhaps that's the mind-set of most aging applicants here.  We can accept whatever results of the applications, calmly.  The Magic 7 means less to us than when we were in 20s.  It's sort of dream girls or dream boys mean less to us now than when we were young.  Magic 7 are fantastic.  Still, it's  a very very long way to go even after Magic 7. 


作者: feynman烨    时间: 2007-2-1 19:57
abc jj,what is "magic 7"?
作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-1 21:06
以下是引用feynman烨在2007-2-1 19:57:00的发言:
abc jj,what is "magic 7"?

Magic 7 represents 7 top business schools in US.  I learnt this term last night from a buddy here.


作者: feynman烨    时间: 2007-2-1 22:57
以下是引用abc_on_line在2007-2-1 21:06:00的发言:

Magic 7 represents 7 top business schools in US.  I learnt this term last night from a buddy here.

I guessed so but I couldn't confirm it.Thank you for explanation.
作者: feynman烨    时间: 2007-2-1 22:59

包括哪七所呢?

hbs,wharton,kellog,and?


作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-1 23:07
以下是引用feynman烨在2007-2-1 22:59:00的发言:

包括哪七所呢?

hbs,wharton,kellog,and?

If my memory serves me well, it's Wharton, HBS, Standford, Chicargo, MIT Sloan, Columbia and Kellogy. 

Well, I don't know how this term comes.  Created by Chinese students, perhaps.......hehehe..... Interesting.....


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-1 23:12

Don't get discouraged by your age. I am 30+ years old. So so background. Got four offers from the M7's.


作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-1 23:21
以下是引用boston2007在2007-2-1 23:12:00的发言:

Don't get discouraged by your age. I am 30+ years old. So so background. Got four offers from the M7's.

hehehe, never......

It's pity I only applied 3 of M7.  Not because of lack of confidece.

Which school do you choose to go then? HBS?


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 00:10
以下是引用abc_on_line在2007-2-1 23:21:00的发言:

hehehe, never......

It's pity I only applied 3 of M7.  Not because of lack of confidece.

Which school do you choose to go then? HBS?

no HBS. I think I am really too old for HBS. It's the only one didn't give the interview among the seven.

I applied so many because I really didn't have the confidence at the beginning. None of the people I know with stronger background than mine got into M7. So at the begginning, I planned to to apply 16 schools for the round 1, covering all the so-called top-10. Wasted a lot of money on application and interview traveling.


作者: babazi    时间: 2007-2-2 00:49
。。。。。。楼上的英语表达似乎有矛盾的地方
作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 01:00
where?
作者: lovery    时间: 2007-2-2 02:24

Hi, boston2007,

I am 36 years old, with very very weak background,that is why I did not have the guts to apply for M7(GMAT and toefl are aslo not good though). but I really admire the effort and result so far in your allpocatiuon.


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 03:39
以下是引用lovery在2007-2-2 2:24:00的发言:

Hi, boston2007,

I am 36 years old, with very very weak background,that is why I did not have the guts to apply for M7(GMAT and toefl are aslo not good though). but I really admire the effort and result so far in your allpocatiuon.

as long as you have the gut to waste $3000 application fee. I made a budget at $5,000 before I started. 


作者: sjseido    时间: 2007-2-2 04:07

May I know what is M7?

Marketing seven?


作者: kkgmat    时间: 2007-2-2 05:30
Magic 7
作者: sjseido    时间: 2007-2-2 05:38
Magic 7 means.....? Please.
作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-2 09:32
以下是引用boston2007在2007-2-2 0:10:00的发言:

no HBS. I think I am really too old for HBS. It's the only one didn't give the interview among the seven.

I applied so many because I really didn't have the confidence at the beginning. None of the people I know with stronger background than mine got into M7. So at the begginning, I planned to to apply 16 schools for the round 1, covering all the so-called top-10. Wasted a lot of money on application and interview traveling.

I selected my schools with more considerations of location rather than rankings.  My focus is the New England Area for personal reasons.  I don't wanna go to Mid-West or Weast Coast.  So, I only tried on M3.  So far, none of them has give me the interview invitation.  I'm all in the Jan round with Magic.

I didn't compare my background with other applicants' when I decided which school to apply.   

I applied almost 10 schools.  I agree, it's a waste of money.  Well, time is worthwhile coz I found the essays I prepared for Jan round are much better than those for Dec round.  


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 22:40
以下是引用abc_on_line在2007-2-2 9:32:00的发言:

I selected my schools with more considerations of location rather than rankings.  My focus is the New England Area for personal reasons.  I don't wanna go to Mid-West or Weast Coast.  So, I only tried on M3.  So far, none of them has give me the interview invitation.  I'm all in the Jan round with Magic.

I didn't compare my background with other applicants' when I decided which school to apply.   

I applied almost 10 schools.  I agree, it's a waste of money.  Well, time is worthwhile coz I found the essays I prepared for Jan round are much better than those for Dec round.  

So you are in New England Area too? wish we can meet sometime this summer. You mentioned that you applied about 10 schools. Let me guess they are: HBS, MIT, Yale, Cornell( too far away from big city), Tuck, Columbia, NYU. What the rest 3?


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 22:44
以下是引用sjseido在2007-2-2 4:07:00的发言:

May I know what is M7?

Marketing seven?

Magic 7: HBS, Stanford, Wharton, MIT, Kellogg, Chicago and Columbia .

Top three: H/S/W (HBS likes you to have strong family background, Stanford likes young applicants, Wharton likes Chinese)

MIT for applicatns with technology background.

Chicago and Columbia are very good at Finance. (personally think Chicago is better if you want to learn the best finance)

Kellogg is famous for its marketing. Most students go to MC industry. Emphasizing the teamwork.


作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-2 23:12
以下是引用boston2007在2007-2-2 22:40:00的发言:

So you are in New England Area too? wish we can meet sometime this summer. You mentioned that you applied about 10 schools. Let me guess they are: HBS, MIT, Yale, Cornell( too far away from big city), Tuck, Columbia, NYU. What the rest 3?

To be more precise, New England and the neighbouring areas.  Take Sloan and Yale out.  I began to prepare for applications for 9 schools end of Dec to meet the deadlines in early Jan.  You can imagine how tight the schulde was.  I had to give up Sloan and Yale as I couldn't meet the deadlines.

I tried HBS, Cornell, Wharton, Columbia, Stern, Tuck (will be dinged soon), Ross (the only one in middle west, farthest one, 11 hours' ride to Boston;interview done, await further notification), Simon (got admission), Smith (to interview), Tepper (to interview), Darden (interview done, await further notification, the most southern one in terms of location, 9 hours' ride to Boston) and BC (the last one, I did want to give up, but my friend told me I should hold on to try coz it's in Boston). 

More than 10.  It's a waste of money.  

I don't like to live in big cities though I've been living in big monster cities since I got my first job.


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 23:25
以下是引用abc_on_line在2007-2-2 23:12:00的发言:

To be more precise, New England and the neighbouring areas.  Take Sloan and Yale out.  I began to prepare for applications for 9 schools end of Dec to meet the deadlines in early Jan.  You can imagine how tight the schulde was.  I had to give up Sloan and Yale as I couldn't meet the deadlines.

I tried HBS, Cornell, Wharton, Columbia, Stern, Tuck (will be dinged soon), Ross (the only one in middle west, farthest one, 11 hours' ride to Boston;interview done, await further notification), Simon (got admission), Smith (to interview), Tepper (to interview), Darden (interview done, await further notification, the most southern one in terms of location, 9 hours' ride to Boston) and BC (the last one, I did want to give up, but my friend told me I should hold on to try coz it's in Boston). 

More than 10.  It's a waste of money.  

I don't like to live in big cities though I've been living in big monster cities since I got my first job.

That's really an interesting group. On the contrary, I seleceted my schools based on ranking, paying no attention to the location.  I have spent seven years in Philly and Boston and have no problem to stay in Boston forever. (though the house price is really killing me.). So I picked up: M7, Cornell, Tuck, Yale, NYU, Michigan, Duke.  I didn't consider other top-10 schools at west coast.  I finished eight schools in first round (include the ED for Columbia) from Oct. 7 to Nov 9 (Cornell as second round).  At my age, this year is my first time and last time to apply for business schools. 

 


作者: abc_on_line    时间: 2007-2-2 23:33
以下是引用boston2007在2007-2-2 23:25:00的发言:

That's really an interesting group. On the contrary, I seleceted my schools based on ranking, paying no attention to the location.  I have spent seven years in Philly and Boston and have no problem to stay in Boston forever. (though the house price is really killing me.). So I picked up: M7, Cornell, Tuck, Yale, NYU, Michigan, Duke.  I didn't consider other top-10 schools at west coast.  I finished eight schools in first round (include the ED for Columbia) from Oct. 7 to Nov 9 (Cornell as second round).  At my age, this year is my first time and last time to apply for business schools. 

 

It's also my first and last time to do with business schools. 

Which school are you going to go?

By the way, I'm currently in Beijing.  But Boson is my dream city for some reasons.

A curious question, are you past 35?


作者: boston2007    时间: 2007-2-2 23:58
以下是引用abc_on_line在2007-2-2 23:33:00的发言:

It's also my first and last time to do with business schools. 

Which school are you going to go?

By the way, I'm currently in Beijing.  But Boson is my dream city for some reasons.

A curious question, are you past 35?

I didn't decide yet. But will stay in Boston till Sep. 2007 .

No, I am >30 <35 .

The only thing for you to keep in mind is that it's expensive to live in Boston.  Let me know if you come to Boston.






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