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标题: OG 113 & modify [打印本页]
作者: freegirl    时间: 2003-10-2 01:44
标题: OG 113 & modify
113. Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.
(A)saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang
(B)saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging
(C)saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(D)seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(E)seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

answer is D. why E is not? the explanation from OG: whose clause has been separated from monkeys. But "whose" is, of course, for monkeys, can anyone think that the sub-clause modify the "branches"?  
As the answer D, who knows "with arms and legs" is modifying "branches" or "monkeys" -- therefor, answer D can arise confusion also.

Need your input!
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-10-2 02:04
E主要错在动词及其时态have hung，见OG的解释：
Choices A and E also confusingly use the present tense hang and the present perfect have hung, respectively; neither verb conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described.

D中的“with arms and legs”也不是modifying "branches" or "monkeys"而是modify “sleeping”作状语。
作者: freegirl    时间: 2003-10-2 02:14
标题: 关于旅游或者探亲visa

cool gemj,

how can i differentiate with + n. phrase as an adv. for a verb or as an adj. for n. ? Depend on a comma?
Thanks!
作者: gemj    时间: 2003-10-2 17:36
由逗号分隔的现在分词可以做状语，也可以作定语，没有统一的规则来判断，只能根据意思来。
作者: cocoabean    时间: 2004-4-29 06:57

"With....."conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described.

难道我们就只有从意思上去判断吗?

还是不明白, whose易引起混淆, why with 就不会那? "whose"  refer to "monkeys" or "branches"?   As the answer D, who knows "with arms and legs" is modifying "branches" or "monkeys" or "sleeping"?

solves the problem of the whose ... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.   why "adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging..." solves the problem ?

继续请教? thanks

作者: babypace    时间: 2004-6-7 01:33
我理解是whose做定语从句要紧跟先行词money，否则ETS并不喜欢这种挂在后面的用法， 好像只看到用with---来表示伴随状况的放在句尾或者句首来修饰的。
作者: girl0904    时间: 2004-12-8 07:01
如果把E选项改为whose arms and legs are hanging ，这样不知道E能够也算正确呢？
作者: bryan0806    时间: 2004-12-21 10:37
我覺得還是不太對

,whose 修飾 monkeys有  所有monkeys不管有沒有在睡覺的   arms and legs are hanging

這裡還是用with 伴隨狀況 非限定 比較好

作者: autumn_leaves    时间: 2005-3-12 16:26

楼上的解释很好! 但我觉得ETS的解释有问题,

非限定定从修饰前面中心词的情况很多,况且这题的WHOSE消除了修饰branch的歧义.

所以我觉得这里WHOSE的运用没有错误,而错误一在时态,二在楼上说的逻辑关系.

请教各位我的理解是否有误,或者我们应该写信给ETS,我对于定语从句先行词的判断始终没有结论,

到底是修饰中心词还是就近词,明显可能性都存在.

作者: autumn_leaves    时间: 2005-3-12 17:03
我弄懂了,先前我对OG解释理解有问题.
作者: mmmzzz    时间: 2005-4-18 05:36

我觉得whose这样的定语从句不需要紧跟在所修饰的词后，只要是不会产生歧异。我觉得这题中，branch是不会引起歧异的，但是whose有可能修饰最前面的vistors。既然whose可以和monkeys隔开，那么它也应该可以和visots隔开。所以whose不对的原因是有可能修饰vistors。

不知道我的理解对不对？

作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-4-19 05:24
Choices A, B, and E awkwardly separate the relative clause beginning whose arms and legs ... from monkeys, the noun it modifies.
作者: leader    时间: 2005-4-19 15:47

GMAT语法中，with有两点需要特别注意：

一是with结构如果修饰名词，这个名词就是with结构的逻辑宾语；

二是with结构做状语，可以跳跃修饰谓语，本题当中，with结构修饰猴子睡觉，表示其睡觉时的状态；who和whose侧没有此功能，本题如此，另外还有OG

33. From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.

(A)  and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources

(B)  defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption

(C)  and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption

(D)  whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption

(E)   the distribution and consumption of them defined by rights and obligations

解释中说in D, whose incorrectly attributes rights and obliga­tions to resources。

存在跳跃修饰的还有that，例子有OGOG85,109,128题。which引导的非限定性定语从句，优先修饰前面的名词，特殊情况下也可以跳跃修饰，但需要在定语从句的谓语中体现。大家可以找一找例子。

作者: brissa    时间: 2005-9-14 23:01
以下是引用leader在2005-4-19 15:47:00的发言：

GMAT语法中，with有两点需要特别注意：


一是with结构如果修饰名词，这个名词就是with结构的逻辑宾语；这个逻辑宾语是什么意思？可以举例解释一下吗？


二是with结构做状语，可以跳跃修饰谓语，本题当中，with结构修饰猴子睡觉，表示其睡觉时的状态；who和whose侧没有此功能，本题如此，另外还有OG  sleeping可不是主句谓动啊


33. From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.



(A)  and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources



(B)  defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption



(C)  and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption



(D)  whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption



(E)   the distribution and consumption of them defined by rights and obligations



解释中说in D, whose incorrectly attributes rights and obliga­tions to resources。


存在跳跃修饰的还有that，例子有OGOG85,109,128题。which引导的非限定性定语从句，优先修饰前面的名词，特殊情况下也可以跳跃修饰，但需要在定语从句的谓语中体现。大家可以找一找例子。


？？问题见引用部分

作者: pengfei1102    时间: 2006-5-2 17:06
以下是引用brissa在2005-9-14 23:01:00的发言：


？？问题见引用部分


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作者: soloenti    时间: 2006-8-2 23:05
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作者: maomao521    时间: 2007-11-25 16:47

看了很多大家的讨论，还不是特别明白为什么with结构修饰猴子睡觉，而没有可能修饰have looked up或是seen呢？

with结构修饰谓语有就近原则？？？

作者: carriemo    时间: 2008-7-27 17:52
古董帖子，顶一下。因为OG11里面对正确选项用with的解释是“the phrase correctly modifies monkeys"....也就是说with....是引导猴子，而不是猴子睡觉，这又和楼上的解释有出入了。。。。所以还是觉得有歧义。
作者: auflute    时间: 2009-5-24 11:42
和时态有关吧，visitor动作是完成时，动作已经完成了。猴子睡觉是进行时，所以with的伴随状态毫无疑问修饰猴子。

又，with型独立主格和主句形成紧密联系（BY p11），所以跳过brance修饰猴子，不受影响




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