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作者: chriszhx    时间: 2003-9-22 13:00
标题: 请教OG-91
有一道题OG91
When a polygraph test is judged inconclusinve, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgement means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertherless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.
Which of the fllowing conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?
(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairely held against the examinee.
(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.

答案选c, 我选e, 不选e的原因是它直接描述了原文而不是从原文infer出来的吗?也就是说直接描述原文语言的选项是不能选的吗?



作者: dorbear    时间: 2003-9-22 13:29
不是。原文改写一定是结论题型的正确选项之一,只要在结论处,看到就可以选。

本题中,(E)并不是原文改写。雇主根据这种不确定的测慌结论而拒绝申请者,不而是像E所属的因为结论不确定而忽略这样一个结论。

个人意见。
作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-4-15 22:46

employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.


这是个能推不能推的问题:我说雇主将有时候用这个结果来拒绝一个应聘者。


只能推出雇主不是所有时刻都用这个结果来拒绝一个应聘者。


你不能推出雇主有时应用这个结果来接受一个应聘者。


当然E拒绝考虑测试结果和原文的拒绝考虑应聘者差的太远了。怎么也推不出


作者: delldell    时间: 2004-4-15 23:05
我也看不出E怎么会是个推论. 根据原文的论证是绝对推不出这个结论的, E根本就和原来文章的论证没有关系
作者: 小鱼儿    时间: 2004-8-11 23:33
E怎么看都是一个事实啊,完成时都用上了,不是推出来的结论。
作者: maya    时间: 2004-8-16 14:33

我是酱紫理解的:

原文说 employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.(也就是说,宁可错杀一千,不能放过一个"liar"),显失公平。故选C

而E的意思是,有些人应聘是不考虑polygraph tests  和题目无关

不知道这样理解对否?


作者: paopao    时间: 2004-11-6 02:10
请问E为何不对啊
作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-11-6 03:39

有两点可以否定E:一是原文是将来时,E为完成时。二是原文是拒绝雇申请者(考虑了测试结果,虽然没结论)。E是拒绝考虑测试结果,


作者: paopao    时间: 2004-11-6 03:52

谢谢lawyer 我认为你说得对


可是OG的解释该如何理解呢


Since the passage is consistent with both E and its denial, E is not supported.


作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-11-6 05:25
OG的解释放之四海而皆准。对所有MUST BE题的错误选项。这句话是对的,当然错误选项出歪曲,但ETS不会给错误选项。好像。
作者: david_348    时间: 2004-11-26 14:32

这里没这么多逻辑原理,关键是把握作者意图,即:which conclusion是作者希望你可以得出。


偶觉得这道题,在于准确把握作者的态度,因为这是一个根据原文推导main point的典型题目


作者先说了这个test的基本情况是result is inconclusive,然后解释了原因是:can't judge...truthful..or not truthful;然后又举了一个招聘的事实,显然作者的态度是对例子中employer的做法表示了不满,即认为:以不确定的结果来判断whether emplosy examinee;employer持有偏见!!


解题过程中,容易受干扰的是B、D、E选项:


og的解释: Neither B nor D is supported, since the information given includes nothing either implicit or explicit about polygraph tests that yield conclusive result


既然result是不确定的,以result of test 做依据就更不对啦,就更更谈不上什么mistaken,但也不能完全不考虑。


OG解释:Since the passage is consistent with both E and its denial, E is not supported.



这正是作者要反驳的观点;而E的说话无论取非与否和passage都是一致的。some refused,也就是some accepted了呀。








偶觉得这个题目很有代表意义,题干中干扰因素很多,你搞不清到底什么是原文的主题;而解决该类题在于如何正确的把握原文的逻辑思路;偶发现很多rc中的难题正是难在这里,一段文章或是几句话极具迷惑性。



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作者: 徵徵    时间: 2005-4-1 16:49
同意!
作者: 番茄笑了    时间: 2005-6-2 01:41

91. When a polygraph test is judged inconclusive, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgment means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertheless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.
Which of the following conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?
(A) Most examinees with inconclusive polygraph test results are in fact untruthful.
(B) Polygraph tests should not be used by employers in the consideration of job applicants.
(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairly held against the examinee.
(D) A polygraph test indicating that an examinee is untruthful can sometimes be mistaken.
(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.


这道题我原本选A,和大部分XDJM门不一样!当然也是错了~看了大家的讨论后我分析了一下自己答错的原因,请大家看看对不对.


我之前选A是因为我觉得如果测谎仪的结果是非决定性的也就是不能定论applicants是诚实还是不诚实,但是employer还是不雇用得到这样结果的applicants,这就说明大部分得到这种非决定性结果的applicants都是不诚实的,所以employers不用他们。参考了大家的讨论以后,我觉得这样的答案带有另一个假设,我们从原句中根本推不出来这个结论,而which of the following conclusions can be properly drawn是典型的归纳题。也就是说一定是由文章中的信息归纳出来的结论而不是一个新的结论。所以这样一来C选项就比较恰当了!因为原句中强调这种非决定性的结论是没有代表性的,不能说明这个APPLICANTS是诚实还是不诚实,EMPLOYERS应该忽略这种结果,可是他们没有,所以说这样对applicants不公平!


大家觉得我这样的解释对吗?谢谢~~


作者: 我爱欧洲    时间: 2005-6-3 09:48
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-6-2 1:41:00的发言:

大家觉得我这样的解释对吗?谢谢~~


OG对A的解释是the test is no reflection on the examinee.而A说了untruthful。这是错误之一。其次,A中的most也毫无根据。题干没说这个比例问题。


作者: WANSMILE    时间: 2005-6-5 15:03
选项B我觉得可以推出的阿?而且SHOULD在这里表明作者的负态度,为什么会错呢
作者: 番茄笑了    时间: 2005-6-8 22:33
以下是引用WANSMILE在2005-6-5 15:03:00的发言:
选项B我觉得可以推出的阿?而且SHOULD在这里表明作者的负态度,为什么会错呢

B是可以推出,可是还需要另一个假设,“如果这种测谎仪大部分时候出的结果都是INCONCLUSIVE,对于EMPLOYER做决定没有用的话,我们才可以说EMPLOYER不应该用这种方式”。根据这道题的内容我们不知道这个假设,也许99%的情况下,这个测谎仪都是TRUTHFUL OR UNTRUTHFUL结果,只有1%的情况时INCONCLUSIVE,那B就不对了!我觉得这道题目是归纳,也就是说一定是从题干中的信息归纳出来的,不能再另外加条件或者假设。


作者: babypace    时间: 2005-6-10 02:53
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-6-2 1:41:00的发言:

91. When a polygraph test is judged inconclusive, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgment means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertheless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.
Which of the following conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?
(A) Most examinees with inconclusive polygraph test results are in fact untruthful.
(B) Polygraph tests should not be used by employers in the consideration of job applicants.
(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairly held against the examinee.
(D) A polygraph test indicating that an examinee is untruthful can sometimes be mistaken.
(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.


这道题我原本选A,和大部分XDJM门不一样!当然也是错了~看了大家的讨论后我分析了一下自己答错的原因,请大家看看对不对.


我之前选A是因为我觉得如果测谎仪的结果是非决定性的也就是不能定论applicants是诚实还是不诚实,但是employer还是不雇用得到这样结果的applicants,这就说明大部分得到这种非决定性结果的applicants都是不诚实的,所以employers不用他们。参考了大家的讨论以后,我觉得这样的答案带有另一个假设,我们从原句中根本推不出来这个结论,而which of the following conclusions can be properly drawn是典型的归纳题。也就是说一定是由文章中的信息归纳出来的结论而不是一个新的结论。所以这样一来C选项就比较恰当了!因为原句中强调这种非决定性的结论是没有代表性的,不能说明这个APPLICANTS是诚实还是不诚实,EMPLOYERS应该忽略这种结果,可是他们没有,所以说这样对applicants不公平!


大家觉得我这样的解释对吗?谢谢~~


Your first choice and logic is totally wrong. I'm sorry to say that. As employers use the test result to make the decision of hiring or refusing applicants, not vice versa ( the employer's decision shows the whether the test results is rite or wrong).

I think your second thought and understanding is right. As an "unconclusive" result is an uncertain result. We can't conclude the applicants as "truthful" or "untruthful". However, the employer refuses the applicants anyway, which may cause unfair to the applicants.

We can't get answer E. Because the problem doesn't say anything about how the employer uses the "conclusive" answers to choose the applicants. We only know they reject the "unconclusive" applicants. So, E is not the answer.

B can't be properly explained either. As we don't know whether the employer's decision on the applicants based on the conclusive result is fair or not. So we can't say that we shouldn't use the polygraph test.

One important thing about this problem, i think, is that we can't draw any conclusion based on the information that is not given in the problem. That's the clue we use to exclude B,E,etc.


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作者: WANSMILE    时间: 2005-7-27 12:13
以下是引用番茄笑了在2005-6-8 22:33:00的发言:


B是可以推出,可是还需要另一个假设,“如果这种测谎仪大部分时候出的结果都是INCONCLUSIVE,对于EMPLOYER做决定没有用的话,我们才可以说EMPLOYER不应该用这种方式”。根据这道题的内容我们不知道这个假设,也许99%的情况下,这个测谎仪都是TRUTHFUL OR UNTRUTHFUL结果,只有1%的情况时INCONCLUSIVE,那B就不对了!我觉得这道题目是归纳,也就是说一定是从题干中的信息归纳出来的,不能再另外加条件或者假设。


很精辟,谢谢


作者: dovecat    时间: 2005-9-1 18:40
babypace,能否请你用中文详细讲一下这题的意思和思路?我题目都没弄明白怎么回事。
作者: amacd    时间: 2005-9-9 17:51
以下是引用chriszhx在2003-9-22 13:00:00的发言:
有一道题OG91
When a polygraph test is judged inconclusinve, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgement means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertherless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.
Which of the fllowing conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?
(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairely held against the examinee.
(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.

答案选c, 我选e, 不选e的原因是它直接描述了原文而不是从原文infer出来的吗?也就是说直接描述原文语言的选项是不能选的吗?




if some "employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result."


doesnt that mean -- employers will sometimes consider an inconclusive test result?


這剛好和e是相反的~ so E) is not an answer here


作者: juliet01192000    时间: 2006-3-27 00:46

91. When a polygraph test is judged inconclusive, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgment means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertheless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result.



Which of the following conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?


(A) Most examinees with inconclusive polygraph test results are in fact untruthful.


(B) Polygraph tests should not be used by employers in the consideration of job applicants.


(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairly held against the examinee.


(D) A polygraph test indicating that an examinee is untruthful can sometimes be mistaken. C


(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.



91.


The passage indicates that an inconclusive polygraph test tells nothing about the person who has taken the test, and yet employers sometimes refuse to hire someone whose results from such a test are inclusive. Treating lack of information as if it were unfavorable evidence about a person can reasonably be considered unfair. There, C is the best choice.



Choice A is not supported, since the passage says that an inconclusive polygraph test is no reflection on the examinee. Neither B nor D is supported, since the information given includes nothing either implicit or explicit about polygraph tests that yield conclusive results. Since the passage is consistent with both E and its denial, E is not supported.



我知道为什么E错,但是不明白og对于E的解释!


我觉得 both E and its denial都与原文没有关系,怎么会像og所说是一致呢?


原文是拒绝雇申请者(考虑了测试结果,虽然没结论)。E是拒绝考虑测试结果,


盼解答,谢谢!:)


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作者: juliet01192000    时间: 2006-3-29 01:21

我这是单独问的问题,不用看一前的n楼的讨论的,有时间的xdjm解一下疑吧,谢谢!:)


作者: littlebriton    时间: 2006-3-29 07:18

OG解释的意思是不管有无雇主拒绝使用测试结果对原文的意思都没有影响。


consistent 的意思不一定要主动的去一致,不影响也是consistency 的一种表现。


作者: 老愚    时间: 2006-6-11 19:31
5、有evidence和conclusion,但彼此矛盾,答案是conclusion不存在----findjuhl
作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-6-22 13:32

作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-6-22 13:38

E为什么错呢?

还是没看明白


作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-6-22 13:51

文章是不是这样的

 polygraph test 被证明是没什么结论性的,也就是意味着无法证明是否是诚实的

但是呢或者然而呢,雇佣者呢有时候呢也会因为这样的一些测试的结果呢来拒绝一个人

=明知测试有缺陷,但有时还是拿来做参照

所以选C,这样的结果有时被拿来不公平的拒绝一些面试者。


作者: lauralee124    时间: 2006-8-1 12:58

终于搞明白了,谢谢各位啊!!


作者: cccccc0    时间: 2006-11-27 20:03
以下是引用lawyer_1在2004-11-6 5:25:00的发言:
OG的解释放之四海而皆准。对所有MUST BE题的错误选项。这句话是对的,当然错误选项出歪曲,但ETS不会给错误选项。好像。

E的OG解释我看了好半天都没懂呢~~


作者: KATIEUS    时间: 2006-12-5 21:27

作者: leon_ash    时间: 2007-1-16 23:03

看了大家的解释,我觉得题干应该这样理解

polygraph test 一共有三个结果:truthful(诚实)、untruthful(不诚实)、inconclusive(不确定)

[有了这层理解,后面都好办了]

只有当结果显示inconclusive的时候,这个结果不能反映examinee的真实情况,就是说这个test不能说明examinee到底诚实不诚实。(no reflection on the examinee)

而employers有时却因为这样一种inconclusive的结果而拒绝applicant

显然这是有失公平的。

如果按照这种思路,其他错误选项都能排除。


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作者: heatherice    时间: 2007-5-6 13:42

问一下,题干中的rather是什么意思?

转折吗?但是后面已经有nevertheless转折了。。。


作者: Win2G    时间: 2007-7-15 21:29

Rather, (or) rather, : 更确切地说

对前面一句话的进一步解释


作者: HHB    时间: 2007-7-21 13:54

同意31楼的。

提干的意思是,测谎仪有2种:

1、conclusive (可以测出truthful or untruthful)

2、inconclusive (不能测出truthful or untruthful)

提干只讲了第二种测谎仪,所以正确选项一定要有inconclusive出现才可以。这也就是为什么OG对B, D的解释是 the information given includes nothing either implicit or explicit about polygraph tests that yield conclusive results.


作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-9-8 19:05

91. When a polygraph test is judged inconclusive, this is no reflection on the examinee. Rather, such a judgment means that the test has failed to show whether the examinee was truthful or untruthful. Nevertheless, employers will sometimes refuse to hire a job applicant because of an inconclusive polygraph test result. 多次做错的题目

【测谎仪偶尔有conclusiveinconclusive两种结果=>某些雇佣者拒绝inconclusive的应聘者】
            
è讨论焦点,inconclusive被雇佣者使用,作者潜在态度不赞同使用inconclusive 结果来拒绝应聘者,所以选项必须有inconclusive test !

 

Which of the following conclusions can most properly be drawn from the information above?

(A) Most examinees with inconclusive polygraph test results are in fact untruthful. 违背原文,原文指出inconclusive的结果是no reflection,人不能从no reflection来决定该人员被判定不诚实是一个错误

(B) Polygraph tests should not be used by employers in the consideration of job applicants.过分推导,作者仅仅提到inconclusive的测试结果成为某些雇佣人员拒绝的原因,潜在反对此应用,但不能推出其也反对使用conclusive的结果来决定是否聘用!

(C) An inconclusive polygraph test result is sometimes unfairly held against the examinee.

(D) A polygraph test indicating that an examinee is untruthful can sometimes be mistaken偏离原文,原文指出的是inconclusive结果,而从未讨论过关于其它测试结果判定一个人是否诚实的有效性问题.
            
C

(E) Some employers have refused to consider the results of polygraph tests when evaluating job applicants.无关选项
        


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作者: yohofiona    时间: 2011-3-7 19:02
看了大家的解释,我觉得题干应该这样理解
polygraph test 一共有三个结果:truthful(诚实)、untruthful(不诚实)、inconclusive(不确定)
[有了这层理解,后面都好办了]
只有当结果显示inconclusive的时候,这个结果不能反映examinee的真实情况,就是说这个test不能说明examinee到底诚实不诚实。(no reflection on the examinee)
而employers有时却因为这样一种inconclusive的结果而拒绝applicant
显然这是有失公平的。
如果按照这种思路,其他错误选项都能排除。

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-- by 会员 leon_ash (2007/1/16 23:03:00)



看了那么多解释,不对不说这个解释是最能说明问题的!!
作者: zsy020584    时间: 2011-3-9 05:58
E错在,因为雇主考虑test 结果,但是不考虑 “inconclusive” polygraph test result。
作者: JasonRO    时间: 2011-3-11 10:59
对于这类型的题目,个人认为conclusion应该是基于前文所有信息的。而D选项与nevertheless后面的信息完全无关,所以不应该选。  个人意见,望各位NN指点。
作者: laveri    时间: 2011-7-2 09:47
美国人TNND想法不一样吗,以下是我选E的思维逻辑:

因为:polygraph test 一共有三个结果:truthful(诚实)、untruthful(不诚实)、inconclusive(不确定)

在结果显示inconclusive的时候,这个结果不能反映examinee的真实情况,就是说这个test不能说明examinee到底诚实不诚实,

所以:Inconclusive是polygraph test 三种结果中的一种,而且不能确定求职者是否诚实

那么:有些雇主拒绝polygraph test 结果为inconclusive的求职者

可以推出:有些雇主在评估求职者时拒绝考虑了polygraph test的结果(inconclusive)
作者: xiaoqiaoli    时间: 2011-7-21 11:18
LS的思维有点怪哦~~

既然都已经指出:
“有些雇主拒绝polygraph test 结果为inconclusive的求职者”

那么说明这些雇主在评估求职者时肯定是考虑了polygragh test的结果的呀~
又如何推出完全相反的结论:“有些雇主在评估求职者时拒绝考虑了polygraph test的结果” 呢?




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