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作者: seasnow    时间: 2006-1-22 05:28
标题: [讨论]OG11th-63

63.   A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.


(A)     whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are


(B)     whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are


(C)     whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been


(D)     if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are


(E)     if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been



选C?


作者: Evelyn2005    时间: 2006-1-22 08:39
我也觉得是C。
作者: carolhide    时间: 2006-1-22 09:51
C
作者: carlito    时间: 2006-1-22 11:10
C没错阿
作者: forgetee    时间: 2006-3-9 04:31
谁能告诉我为什么用完成时呀?
作者: shinta42    时间: 2006-3-10 08:19
为什么不是B啊?
作者: 入画    时间: 2006-3-10 09:44
B的one 不对吧。

时态怎么区分呢?


作者: wuziqing1980    时间: 2006-6-17 07:40

请问在after后面不是应该+加一个时间点吗? 比如 after i finish  my job,或者 after the breakfast.

为什么og11中解释,after 后面改成 have been 就可以了,难道不是越改越错? 请牛人帮忙。


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作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-6-27 02:25

我觉得这更像PROPOSAL相关的虚拟语气,后一个句子是对PROPOSAL的影响的描述,不是对实际情况的描述,因此要用对假设的条件要用完成时来说明是虚拟的。

我的问题是对OG的解释中说:since their could refer to either tourists or rhinoceroses, it is inappropriately ambiguous whose horns are being trimmed.按照就近原则,their显然指的是rhinoceroses,而不是tourists,从意思上那么理解更是荒唐,这有什么ambiguous的呢?各位如何理解?

昨天在另一个地方贴过几乎同样的帖子,现在感觉这里才是一个读帖发帖的地方,要是把大家就每个题的讨论集中在一起就好了,或者告诉大家都到这里来,就不会这么麻烦了。

昨天的帖子:http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=1620537&id=172134&skin=0


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作者: huixia06    时间: 2006-7-29 00:47

OG中说after之后要用现在完成时,表达动作在游客来之前已完成。

这个虽然没错,但是我们以前不是学过这样的原则吗:有特定的时间状语比如after,before之类,虽然动作的顺序有先后,但是也可以不用相应的完成时态,只需要用一般时就行了。况且本句中有“will continue" 的将来时态,更加呼应了after之后不一定要现在完成时。

当然OG的“用现在完成时能更好的表达时间顺序”的说法肯定没错,只是它说一般时不对,就有点让人想不明白。难道大家的语法老师不是一个人?呵呵。

另外,用once引导的条件状语从句,其实也不一定要用完成时吧。在once和after引导的从句中,只用一般时就能表达完成意思的例句,有很多的。

请指教。


作者: utena    时间: 2006-9-28 11:14
同意楼上的MM,觉得after不一定要用完成时。呵呵就因为OG的那句解释找到这帖子上来啦。
作者: dengrong7674    时间: 2006-10-14 10:53

up


作者: yizhoujiang    时间: 2006-10-27 01:54

after 后面不是可以跟 doing 吗?

一定非要跟完成时?


作者: erykah    时间: 2006-10-28 14:42
以下是引用snowfield在2006-6-27 2:25:00的发言:

我觉得这更像PROPOSAL相关的虚拟语气,后一个句子是对PROPOSAL的影响的描述,不是对实际情况的描述,因此要用对假设的条件要用完成时来说明是虚拟的。

我的问题是对OG的解释中说:since their could refer to either tourists or rhinoceroses, it is inappropriately ambiguous whose horns are being trimmed.按照就近原则,their显然指的是rhinoceroses,而不是tourists,从意思上那么理解更是荒唐,这有什么ambiguous的呢?各位如何理解?


謝謝對完成時的解釋,比較合理

我覺得their的指代是遵循白癡原則的,而且考場上沒有那麽多時間慢慢考慮意思是否荒唐

既然tourists和rhinoceroses是性質相同的復數名詞成分,那就有可能ambiguous


作者: rebeccashally    时间: 2006-11-1 17:30

我认为snowfield对如何用完成时的理解比较合理。我的问题是,为什么用wether不用if,如果c 只把wether 换成if对不对,OG对此的解释是,当只有2个可供选择项时,wether比if更号,不懂?


作者: nicholas_du    时间: 2006-11-1 22:06

偶觉得这种时候还是用排除法

after 后面用现在完成时不算绝对的错误,所以暂且不看

if开头肯定不对,所以d,e排除

see one这种用法非常awkward,所以b,e也肯定不对

所以主要是a和c中选一个


作者: yichousun    时间: 2007-8-30 21:48

这里的after是连词,而不是大家所认为的介词。

介词的后面不能接完整的主谓结构(白勇语)。

根据牛津第六版,给出after做连词的英文释义:

conj at a time later than sth;when sth has finished

用一个抽象的比方:A after B这里A、B都表示某件事,B在A之前发生。

如题,visit发生在后,trim发生在前,为了表示这样的先后次序,trim就用现在完成时啰!


作者: wuyelan0214    时间: 2007-8-30 22:09
同意楼上的说法,另外,不可以用if, 在GMAT中,如果要表述"是否"的含义,只能用whether
作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-9-11 21:22

这个题目在没有查词典前因为不少单词不认识,就无法理解该题目。

后来明白了,在这个题目 里after后面是一定用完成时的,因为原文希望表达的逻辑意思是,有人担忧,如果犀牛的角被修整过了(前文提到,用于减少猎杀者的兴趣)是否会导致游客不再到竞技场看斗牛? 所以一定是用完成时来表达这一因果的。

请多多指正。


作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-12 13:37

我来问一个有关本题OG解释的问题,OG的解释中说道:When only two alternatives are possible,to continue to visit or not not to continue to visit ,whether(or whether or not)is properly used rather than if.   看来OG对whether or not的用法并不排斥阿,它是否和whether具有同等优选的地位呢?  当它和whether同时出现时,是否只能通过选项的其他差异来选择呢?


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作者: ambercoco    时间: 2008-2-2 18:57
以下是引用dormousedzc在2007-11-12 13:37:00的发言:

我来问一个有关本题OG解释的问题,OG的解释中说道:When only two alternatives are possible,to continue to visit or not not to continue to visit ,whether(or whether or not)is properly used rather than if.   看来OG对whether or not的用法并不排斥阿,它是否和whether具有同等优选的地位呢?  当它和whether同时出现时,是否只能通过选项的其他差异来选择呢?


whether和whether or not都是可以的
作者: 若思狗狗    时间: 2008-2-16 14:20

whether和or not是重复的,一般whether。。。 or not都视为错!


作者: Krystal_Wang    时间: 2008-10-3 10:05
whether... or not在GMAT中是错误的?从哪题中可以看出呢?还望指点~~
作者: JorieSong    时间: 2008-10-3 10:21

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=350231&replyID=&skin=1


作者: jean1280    时间: 2009-4-13 13:14

对啊,我就选的A

A怎么就不对啊 ?


作者: jean1280    时间: 2009-4-13 13:18
以下是引用nicholas_du在2006-11-1 22:06:00的发言:

偶觉得这种时候还是用排除法

after 后面用现在完成时不算绝对的错误,所以暂且不看

if开头肯定不对,所以d,e排除

see one这种用法非常awkward,所以b,e也肯定不对

所以主要是a和c中选一个

刚才帖子没说清楚,引用楼上的观点。为什么A不对?


作者: 天蝎座1107    时间: 2009-4-13 16:57

63. A proposal has been made to trim the horns from rhinoceroses to discourage poachers; the question is whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are trimmed.

(A) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses after their horns are

(B) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one once their horns are

(C) whether tourists will continue to visit game parks to see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns have been

(D) if tourists will continue to visit game parks and see rhinoceroses once the animals' horns are

(E) if tourists will continue to visit game parks to see one after the animals' horns have been

同意楼主选C 因为trimmed这个动作发生在visit之前

同理的几道题

Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.

A. Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are amassed这个动作发生在drawing前面 用having amassed正合适

B. Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are 状语位置的改变引起歧义 这里and多余

C. Neuroscientists amassing a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are 去掉了having不能表达amassed的动作在drawing前面 状语位置的改变引起歧义 and 多余

D. Neuroscientists have amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,句子重心的改变

E. Neuroscientists have amassed, over the past twenty years, a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,句子重心改变 状语位置改变引起歧义

 

73. Combinging enormous physical strength with higher intelligence, the Neanderthals appear as equipped for facing for any obstable the environment could put in their path, but their relatively sudden disappearance during the Paleolithic era indicates that an inability to adapt to some environmental change let to their extinction.

A. appear as equipped for facing any obstable the environment could put in their path,

B. appear to have been equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their path,

C. appear as equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their paths,

D. appeared as equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their paths,

E. appeared to have been equipped for facing any obstable the environment could put in their path,

Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.

A. Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are amassed这个动作发生在drawing前面 用having amassed正合适

B. Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are 状语位置的改变引起歧义 这里and多余

C. Neuroscientists amassing a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are 去掉了having不能表达amassed的动作在drawing前面 状语位置的改变引起歧义 and 多余

D. Neuroscientists have amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,句子重心的改变

E. Neuroscientists have amassed, over the past twenty years, a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,句子重心改变 状语位置改变引起歧义

 

73. Combinging enormous physical strength with higher intelligence, the Neanderthals appear as equipped for facing for any obstable the environment could put in their path, but their relatively sudden disappearance during the Paleolithic era indicates that an inability to adapt to some environmental change let to their extinction.

A. appear as equipped for facing any obstable the environment could put in their path,

B. appear to have been equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their path,

C. appear as equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their paths,

D. appeared as equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their paths,

E. appeared to have been equipped for facing any obstable the environment could put in their path,


作者: rx_11    时间: 2010-4-4 10:44
我想问一下为什么A中their  ambiguous???  their很清楚的指代犀牛啊·····高人解答。。
作者: windypig123    时间: 2010-4-4 12:54
应该是they指代不明把。。。。
作者: windypig123    时间: 2010-4-4 12:54
their 也可以指代tourists啊
作者: rx_11    时间: 2010-4-4 14:40
回楼上···GMAC真够变态的。。根据就近原则,而且这么明显,这么犀利的指代都不可以,服了···
作者: zhechen016    时间: 2010-5-4 16:47
楼上的,是够犀利的啊,不然怎么说英文是一个表达很严谨的语言呢,如果前面两者单复数不一致,那thier就可以用了。
作者: tallhermit    时间: 2011-9-9 16:33
同问啊,A错在你用and see的确没有to see来明确表目的要好啊,但是their为什么会有误会呢,我觉得它肯定就是指的犀牛啊,求解释~~~
作者: dennykick    时间: 2011-9-10 02:13
我也不懂为什么og解释说their指代会有歧议,我觉得明明就是指代犀牛啊
作者: viking00x    时间: 2012-7-20 18:10
一般时态和完成时态的选择:
当作者表达的是一般论述的时候用一般时态,而当表示是一种强调的时候,则用完成时态
例如:og12-73中
Combining enormous physical strength with higher intelligence, the Neanderthals appear as equipped for facing any obstacle the environment could put in their path, but their relatively sudden disappearance during the Paleolithic era indicates that an inability to adapt to some environmental change led to their extinction.
句中but后面的意思是:因为N对环境改变适应性的消失导致他们的灭绝,因此前面讲的equip to face obstacle the environment应该用现在完成时态,表示这种适应性已经消失,并且结果影响现在(他们的灭绝)。

同理,75题中
trim的动作应该是发生在tourist visit to see之前,trim的结果也将会影响tourist是否visit to see,并且在此处体现了作者强调两者之间的因果关系,因此用现在完成时更合适。
作者: 十字刻痕    时间: 2012-10-21 14:22
为什么OG解释里说A的their指代歧义呢?不是就近原则指代犀牛吗?
作者: sisichen666    时间: 2012-10-21 14:30
记得一句话就可以,代词和具体名词同时存在时,绝对是使用具体名词,本题就是anminals‘比their的使用更加简单明确,至少你也不用再去找their是谁




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