求助：以我的条件，能申请排名在多少的商院PHD啊 - ChaseDream

GMAT：730，托福247（以机考250分相当于600分来看，这个分低了啊）。

本科：法学学士；工作经历：省级法院3年，展览业2年，国内最大的传媒娱乐公司（华谊兄弟）3年。

已经申请了一些学校的MBA，但根据自己的性格，特想将来搞研究、教书，所以想同时申请PHD。自己基本没有数学和工科背景，发表过的研究文章也很少，心里好虚啊。我觉得自己的工作经历勉强可和marketing搭上关系，所以想试试这几个学校的marketing博士：耶鲁、PENN STATE （商学院第37名）、Boston University(第48名)，康涅狄格州立大学（排名51），CUNY(就是City University of New York，第62名）。

另外我mba申请的是（达特茅斯、哥伦比亚、NYU、Rochester、卡内基梅隆、耶鲁、还有新泽西州立等等）。

平时工作忙，根本不了解相关信息，大家给评估一下，以我的条件，申请这些学校有可能吗？目标定得还合理么，会不会太高了？

我知道很多学校的toelf成绩至少都要求250，除非你能证明你的英文水平确实很扎实，但是具体途径没有统一。但你的工作背景还是不错，所以可以考虑先申请，然后尽快重新考托。

太感谢了，我也知道托福分数是弱项。但我现在人在美国，因为老婆在这边工作过来的。我当时考托福的时候是今年4月份，现在美国的托福考试已经全部改成新试题了，也就是注重听力和说，如果重考，我可能连超过247分的把握都没有

以下是引用墨在水里在2005-12-19 11:15:00的发言：

Try to retake Toefl. Even if you ruin that for the second time, it doesn't matter-- schools won't know your test history, so if your 2nd score is lower than the 1st one, you can just hold it and send the first score to admission offices. With a Toefl score less than 250, it is extremely hard to get into any decent PhD program in business.

Alos I would suggest you to apply for some more schools.... your list is too short. And I think it's a wise decision to also apply to some MBA programs at the same time. Actually most PhD programs in the US value degrees (under or master) gotten in the US more than degrees from abroad, you will have better chances to get into a good PhD program with a master's from a US school.

以下是引用jadelo在2005-12-20 3:10:00的发言：

Actually most PhD programs in the US value degrees (under or master) gotten in the US more than degrees from abroad, you will have better chances to get into a good PhD program with a master's from a US school.

BTW, if your ultimate goal is teaching & research, my advice is to try some MA or MS programs in, for example, statistics, rather than MBA. A master's in statistics or other displine-oriented programs will help you better in terms of getting into a PhD program than will an MBA.

For example, if you want to get into a doctoral program in marketing, getting a master's in stats or psychology from a US school will definitely help. However, with an MBA degree, it's still much better than nothing, but not so helpful if you still want to apply to PhD afterwards.

小弟很感谢各位，CD这里真是个好地方啊，很亲切，我相信你们大家都有好运的！

我会考虑尽快重新考托的。另外，我申请博士的学校较少，是因为截止期很快叫到了，而Personal Statment实在是进展太慢，不知道如何下笔呀。92-96年的一个法律本科，在工作中也没有写过正经八百的学术研究文章，虽然自己多年来勤于学习，也就是爱看杂书、爱看各种报纸搜集信息，了解各行各业的发展而已，从没有发表过什么文章，怎么才能在研究能力方面上显得有分量呢。

另外，我好不容易请学校的Dean答应在我的推荐信上署名，但phd的推荐信到底怎么写，实在难于下笔呀，到哪里去找一些好的范文呢。

这段时间老婆为了我，承包了所有家务，每天还辛辛苦苦地上班，周末也加班挣外快，嗨，真怕我这个大老爷们对不住人家呀，真是折磨啊，拼了！

It is not a wise approach to applying for MBA and PhD simoutaneously, I believe.

推荐信、自我陈述、简历啥的，你可以参考一下新东方包凡一编的书，中关村新东方的书店有卖的

I think his background is ok, not strong though. On the other hand, most of the applicants won't have very good background in academic/research field.

And another problem,as I subtly pointed out, is his determination. I don't think one can write outstanding essays for both MBA and PhD application.

以下是引用eternalwind在2005-12-21 10:41:00的发言：

RESEARCH牛人啊

if the applicant excels in RESEARCH, there are few needs for him to get into a PhD program.

You can simply read the journals, and almost none author is at applicant status, so to speak.

I admit there are some guys who did excellent jobs before application. However, such cases are rare.

以下是引用leighyao在2005-12-21 11:21:00的发言：

for applicants, it really depends on what creteria apply.

if the applicant already excels in RESEARCH, he doesn't need to get into a PhD program. not really

The problem of LZ is his academic background. However, he come with a degree of law without any math or engineering basis and psychology groundwork, either of which is the right equipment for a marketing phd admission. I have to agree the dependence on the criterion the program claims, but under the circumstances, LZ has little chance to be enrolled by a phd program. On the contrary, based on his work experience and the GMAT score, I believe that he deserves an offer from a top 30 MBA program.

xdjm们，感谢的话就不多说了：）。听了你们的意见，多少更加了解美国这边的教育体制了，PhD是给什么条件的人设的，我的经历能让学校看了是个什么感觉。

我已经调整了计划，把重点首先放在mba的申请上，把essay写好，确保deadline之前寄出所有材料。然后phd在截止前能弄出多少算多少，听天由命吧。如果能申请到一个不差的学校的mba，也应该满足了。毕竟我这个老土，从来没想过30岁的时候要来美国开始一段人生，这都快一年了天天待在家里，考完了托福考gmat，然后是忙申请。最后能有个学校上上，也算努力有个结果。我相好了，上了mba一定要好好珍惜的，要继续努力。请大家一起都加油吧！

这个阶段的申请材料都寄走后，得赶紧忙准备interview了。本科毕业快10年了，基本上没碰过英语的，在这里去见外国朋友，从来张不开口说英文。我本来在国内就不喜欢话太多。现在只好开始找老外谈友了，我教人家中文，人家叫我英文，这叫一个窘：（。感觉进展还是不大呀。

以下是引用墨在水里在2005-12-20 22:40:00的发言：

小弟很感谢各位，CD这里真是个好地方啊，很亲切，我相信你们大家都有好运的！

另外，我好不容易请学校的Dean答应在我的推荐信上署名，但phd的推荐信到底怎么写，实在难于下笔呀，到哪里去找一些好的范文呢。

这段时间老婆为了我，承包了所有家务，每天还辛辛苦苦地上班，周末也加班挣外快，嗨，真怕我这个大老爷们对不住人家呀，真是折磨啊，拼了！

I really feel sympathetic to your situation--- you must have been under great pressure.

But, to be honest, most doctoral programs in b-shcools in the US are really competitive; since you don't have any research experience or related backgound, it may be even harder to get into a decent one. If you really want a research career, here are my advice: the first job is to retake TOEFL; second, you can ask the professors who are writing your recommendation letters to endorse your academic capability and research potential; third, forming some specific research questions and try to contact the faculty members in the schools you are going to apply (be sure to read at least some of their papers before you email them). At last, be ready to accept the worst situation and do not give up. Even if you don't get into any Phd program this year, this doesn't mean that there is no hope in the future.

If the worst situation does happen-- that is, you end up with no PhD offer this time, there are still some things you can do--1. apply to some master's in statistics or marketing research, or 2. if you get into a good MBA program this year, then choose the marketing track and talk to the faculty members there about your research interest and your intention to get into a PhD program after graduation. One senior student in my department got into the PhD program by adopting the second strategy-- she talked to a professor about her research interest while she was doing her MBA in our school, and that professor is her advisor now.