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标题: 可以删掉几科成绩吗？美国学校会查吗 [打印本页]

作者: leeciao 时间: 2003-9-9 19:42
标题: 可以删掉几科成绩吗？美国学校会查吗
偶记得前面也有个帖子问类是的问题，由于与前面那位XD的情况有点不同，所以另辟帖子。

偶大学严重偏科，有些课程，如高等数学，很低分；请问偶可以删掉它吗？
偶打算自己作个表格，删几门不好看的课程－－－但不会更改成绩，然后盖上章，寄出去。
1 这种做法算不算CHEAT？
2 美国学校会不会联系国内大学查？或到其他地方去查？

作者: sfish 时间: 2003-9-9 23:51

以下是引用leeciao在2003-9-9 19:42:00的发言：
偶记得前面也有个帖子问类是的问题，由于与前面那位XD的情况有点不同，所以另辟帖子。

偶大学严重偏科，有些课程，如高等数学，很低分；请问偶可以删掉它吗？
偶打算自己作个表格，删几门不好看的课程－－－但不会更改成绩，然后盖上章，寄出去。
1 这种做法算不算CHEAT？
2 美国学校会不会联系国内大学查？或到其他地方去查？

DO NOT DO THAT. Ameriacn universities, especial top ones, count this kind of behavior as cheating. Right now due to the bad credit of Chinese students, most university will double confirm your transcript with your college.

作者: funnytiger 时间: 2003-9-10 00:53
most the good schools in california (which my friends and I applied) will check your transcripts.

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作者: leeciao 时间: 2003-9-10 14:49
谢谢两位的解答！

完了，GPA会史无前例的超低，555555555555

偶大学也没怎么参加社会活动，就是看不顺眼的老师或不喜欢的课就不去上课;
那怎么办，瞎写几个毕业后的业余活动充数行吗

偶不申请牛校，就是去TOP30~50的学校，查分数的概率大吗？？？

作者: sfish 时间: 2003-9-10 22:29
You'd better give up any idea to modify your transcript. Do not take any risk of this issue. The schools still can kick you out even they admit you, when they find that your transcript has something wrong later. Most of the top30-50 bschools are in the top American universities, they are alert to Chinese students' transcript after they found many Chinese students made the fake transcripts. Cheating is a big issue in US, especially most bschools tried to emphasize the ethical course now. Try to find some other way to compensate your low GPA.
BTW, if you can modify the original GPA record in your college computer, it may work. But I still do not recommend this way. It is very weird if you delete some math class, this would make your transcript big difference from others.

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作者: siebel 时间: 2003-9-11 00:11
Actually, one way to solve the problem is that you can inquire the school and give them reasons to delete several courses from your GPA. After you get approved, notice: only after the schools approve you do so, you can do that.

Otherwise, it's dangerous. Not only dangerous during the admission procedure, but also dangerous after you are admitted. There are already several examples who are repatriated to China, even though they had already studied in US for a couple of years and get high marks.

作者: yiyiying 时间: 2003-9-11 01:00
我就是在学校为我出示成绩单时要求档案处的老师删掉了我一些分很低的科，在学校里的数据库中都删除了，这样应该没有问题了吧。档案处的老师很好说话，我让他删哪门他就删哪门，有一科很低的我看丢了，他还好心问我，这门是不是也要删。

作者: chipmunk 时间: 2003-9-11 01:39
If you only delete not-so-important courses, you might get away from that. But, to me, it still sounds dangerous, because school will count your credits in university.

作者: mango 时间: 2003-9-11 02:48
I don't think the school will check the transcript for every admit students. But it is quite possible that they do spot check, or if someone send an email saying' I know this person forged his transcript, blah blah blah...'
A famous case is when UCLA expelled a student in Biological(?) department from Wuhan university, I heard it is because a classmate sent an email to the department.
Another case I heard of is HBS expel a student who forged transcripts and diploma(??) Not sure how he was caught.
And then a couple of years, wharton kicked out a chinese woman who forged the most part of her employment history.
That said, I do not think it is worth the chance. It is a very serious matter.

Good luck!

作者: wyxgeorge 时间: 2003-9-12 04:45
查出之后，开除，而且不退学费。

作者: funnytiger 时间: 2003-9-12 07:17
I am sure if a school only does spot check, the first student they are going to check is the one from China. Many were caught because their old classmates sold them out and there were many cases that school does check with Universities in China. Berkeley called every single reference I put up in my application although I mentioned that some of them cannot speak english.

the aftermath of being caught is that you are totally banned from US education system. not just one school...

作者: mango 时间: 2003-9-12 08:31
Is that the case? I know someone who were caught by one school, but accepted by another one(pretty good one), and she manages to get the visa to the states.

作者: hibob 时间: 2003-9-12 15:06
But the problem is: How do they check?

Do you think it's possible for the school to call the registrar in your undergraduate university and check the score of your courses one by one?
I believe many registrars in China even can not speak English.

I have known two many students who have modified their transcripts, including those from top universities in China.

The grading system in China is diffrent from that in the States. It's very easy for a student to get A or A- in USA, but it's pretty hard in most top universities in China! It's crazy to imagine that so many Chinese students have received A in their undergraduate study!

作者: wyxgeorge 时间: 2003-9-13 12:25
他们会让中国人打电话

作者: michelcn1 时间: 2003-10-29 09:00
让中国人打电话？想当然了吧。

作者: chengfang 时间: 2003-10-29 09:12
我的第二学历选修课成绩比较低，而且学校同意只出具主修课的成绩。不知道这样算不算cheat!

作者: usasky 时间: 2003-10-29 11:04
As far as I know, many Chinese universities leave the query letters or calls from us schools aside. The registrar's offices get tired of helping check.

Good luck to everyone who want to modify the transcrpt!

作者: rachelywq 时间: 2003-10-29 13:08
I think you can delete those courses related to Chinese politics. But you'd better not delete those math courses that top b-schools will pay attention to.

作者: rachelywq 时间: 2003-10-29 13:13
besides, the teachers at my univeristy told me that he often receive the request from foreign universities to check the transcripts. And the teachers will check the transcripts course by course to ensure that. Good luck, my friend! But I would rather tell you not to do that.

作者: gracecrakinggma 时间: 2003-10-29 16:07
我们学校很BT，每学年只能打印17门课，叫我把多出来的选修棵删掉~~~~~
这样算cheat吗？还是我在申请的时候跟他说明白啊
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作者: sfish 时间: 2003-10-29 16:26

以下是引用michelcn1在2003-10-29 9:00:00的发言：
让中国人打电话？想当然了吧。

They do hire Chinese agents to check. UCLA did announce that they may just accept Chinese graduates from some universities in China which UCLA already established some mechanism to cooperate with them to confirm the transcripts. I think that students from Wuhan University are hard to get in UCLA this year due to their classmate forged his transcript and was caught by UCLA last year.

作者: 半寸阳光 时间: 2003-10-29 19:20
如果你们学校曾经或者将会有人和你申请同样的学校就会很容易被查出来，两人的成绩单一对比credits的总数差距大的话很容易被学校怀疑
就算学校不查，每天担心着这个事情会不会被查出来的感觉一定不会好受吧

作者: Fitty 时间: 2003-10-30 00:37
请问上面大家所说transcript都是指中文原件吗？我的意思是，光是我们学校出具的盖章英文成绩单行吗？还是要中、英文两份都要给的？

作者: sfish 时间: 2003-10-30 03:52
You need send schools both Chinese and English copies at the same time.

作者: 心静 时间: 2003-11-3 01:09
象《中国革命史》《马原》可以删吗？这两课我都是刚过。不过删了，就怕不够总学分了。

作者: tsljz 时间: 2003-11-3 11:55

以下是引用心静在2003-11-3 1:09:00的发言：
象《中国革命史》《马原》可以删吗？这两课我都是刚过。不过删了，就怕不够总学分了。

I still don't think it is a good idea to delete some courses.

作者: xiaonuo 时间: 2003-11-3 18:06

以下是引用yiyiying在2003-9-11 1:00:00的发言：
我就是在学校为我出示成绩单时要求档案处的老师删掉了我一些分很低的科，在学校里的数据库中都删除了，这样应该没有问题了吧。档案处的老师很好说话，我让他删哪门他就删哪门，有一科很低的我看丢了，他还好心问我，这门是不是也要删。

有这么好的事，太羡慕了！我的学校只能删些公共选修课。别的想都不要想。

作者: 112094973 时间: 2012-9-13 12:28
xd~ are you sure what you said ?be cuase it will mislead many students!

作者: 莎RA 时间: 2012-9-13 14:33
是多少就多少。这是原则问题！楼主三思！

作者: acerjeff 时间: 2012-9-13 14:41
03年的帖子。

作者: pterosaur 时间: 2012-9-14 12:04
I have tried to the same thing as you described. but I relinquished this stupid idea. why cheat others? I think they will think about every aspect of you as an integrity and focus on what you are now.

作者: pliu77 时间: 2012-9-14 16:35
很好奇3rd Party 怎么跟国内大学查询，难道国内的机关会有耐心理他们？

作者: btjoy123 时间: 2012-9-18 09:31
我觉得大家不用关心学校怎么查你成绩这种Technicality的事情。关键是很多学校明确表示他们最看重的就是 Honesty and Integrity，被查出来你万劫不复，人生的污点啊。再说你每门成绩都好人家才觉得不现实呢，留着几门差点的成绩表人性化吧

作者: sexxyrain 时间: 2012-9-18 10:07
integrity 和 honesty 太太重要了。
成绩反而不是重点了

作者: fhxywei 时间: 2012-9-19 12:50
反正在Cornell, 每个人被录取后都交打假费给学校，然后学校会雇佣专门的打假调查公司去调查你的成绩工作背景等是否作假，一旦查出作假，肯定开除，即使毕业了，也会取消学位。我都入学几个月了，还在配合打假公司调查自己，你自己掂量吧。

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