估计危险 去那里很有可能嫁人，而且３０的女人记忆力明显不如２０多岁的女孩子
估计危险 去那里很有可能嫁人，而且３０的女人记忆力明显不如２０多岁的女孩子
just do it
just purchase your cheam. Passion and earnest will create miracle.
可以考虑先念个会计学硕士。
一年毕业，费用低，好申请，好就业....................攒一些储蓄，再继续修读JD学位课程。
年龄不是问题，关键是各方面综合起来考虑。
会计学硕士？是phd吗？
听说b-school的都很难申请的，为什么斑竹说好申请？
会计学硕士？是phd吗？
听说b-school的都很难申请的，为什么斑竹说好申请？
不是 PHD ！是 MACC 。
You will definitely do very well with the lawy career in US if you make efforts. Every age stage has its advantage. Those Supreme Court judges are almost nearly at 50 or even older to be nominated to the bench. Don't listen to those bullshits. Trust youself. The more you put the more you get. You are the best. JIAYOU!
楼主毕竟是一个32岁的女人，她所面临的很多问题不是仅仅依靠自信和个人努力就能解决的。
这个世界绝对不是“付出就有回报”！更不可能“辛劳付出，收获一定丰厚”。
如果事情真的是 Trust youself. The more you put the more you get. 这么简单， 那楼主怎会发贴上来。
现在她需要的不仅仅是鼓励。
她所面临的境遇不同于那些“家庭条件优越的年少单身女性”，她希望大家能提出一些可供参考、具备可操作性的具体意见。
最后由她本人综合汇总，设计一条度身订作的个人留学发展道路。
我想要是我就不去了，先结婚
我觉得,如果LZ目前没有更好的选择,那就去按你的计划做.
两三年时间是很快就会过去的.如果到时学成,找工作的层面肯定比现在会高很多.
不读,三年的时间还是会过去,那时仍是老样子,而且年纪更增.
我同学的阿姨40岁才去美国读的PHD,毕业后进了一家大型国际公司,做到了管理层,去年(还是前年)被提名为全美少数民族杰出女性之一.
无论选择哪一样,确定了就去做.
LZ加油!
哈！我比你更大，现在身在北美，有家有还在托儿所的第一个孩子，也准备去读JD， 羡慕你年轻啊！我是太满足现状了，直到现在才懂得逼一下自己！
东方女性的生理年龄比西方女性晚，记忆应该没问题。我在一个学校读过一阵书，学习能力和记忆力和比我年轻10多岁的欧洲和北美女性差不多，她们以为我的年龄也跟她们在一个段。
法律总是很有趣的，（中国法律除外！）Try and you'll win!
并没有年龄歧视的意思，但是３２岁的单身女性再去一个人奋斗，缺少了无畏和心境．而且ＪＤ压力也太大了．
I don't think 32 is too old to begin another life. Choose what you really want, make up your mind going ahead, it is never being late.
估计危险 去那里很有可能嫁人，而且３０的女人记忆力明显不如２０多岁的女孩子
老弟，我33岁，也是女性，正在读gmat，虽然觉得读起来有点辛苦，那是因为多年工作没有再学习的缘故，但是从来没有感到明显的记忆力下降，如果你没有亲身经历，就请不要这样妄下断语。人都是要年纪大的，你现在也许20多岁，以后也要变成30多岁，40多岁，甚至七八十岁的。30岁跟20岁比，体力有所下降，但是智力是不会下降的，尤其是智慧，只会上升。
支持楼主，在中国可能30多岁的女人已经是烂草了，不过在美国也许就不一样，30多岁的女人应该还是有很多机会的。趁着还有青春和热情，赶紧往前冲。
I don't think I'd do it if I were 32. As you can see, the average age of first-year enrolled student is 24. If you have a very strong background, that could be another story. But if your background and experience cannot add some more credits for you, I guess your chances are smaller compared with other younger candidates.
I am not trying to discourage you. But we all have to admit that applying for JD is never an easy thing. And studying JD is even more difficult. But still, if this is something you really want, just go for it and try at least.
There are so many clashing views associated with various cases about whether you should pursue your dream or not. It is really up to you to discern them. We are so young with limited vista that we may not have an entire view of our whole life right at this age. Always try to think this way that what you are doing in your age at 50, what kind of life you like most and what kind of preson you want to be. US is different than China and China is getting closer to US. US encourages everyone to go boldly with his dream. The dream makes us different. The ability makes us distinguished.
About the life in US, I don't think you will have any problems with the loan. Almost all my JD friends live partly on loan and partly on scholarship. Majority of them who already graduated are working in the top 5 law firms. The repayment after graduation is a samll part of their earnings. But you need hard work for the good socres and rankings for the better chance of getting into the top law firms. Besides, there will be many other important things,such as new friends,life and view, you will get from this exprience,which is usually far beyond what you currently imagine. I tell what I know about the real life of some JDs in US top law schools. Hope they can give you some ideas.
Everything has its risk. If you don't study JD,then you end up being a Chinese lawyer or whatever. Can you say this career life won't have any risk? Will you not regret? Is that worth risking all your life? Risk is gone when faced with our determination and efforts. Don't waste too much time thinking, go straight do it. It is alway doing that beats saying and thinking. You will know deeper if you are doing a thing but not just thinking of it. You know that well. In Chinese--- XUE2,SI1,XING2 are integrated with each other.
I 'd happy to know you have a dream with JD. Not too many people have such a big dream. I feel really sorry if you give up your dream. As far as the age is concerned, there are many so-called old JDs or even older in top law schools. I agree wisdom and memory is increasing with the age not otherwise. You have a thorough view and insight about the theories and cases when getting older. Memory is boosted with the increasingly deepened interpretation ability. Memory lapse occurs when you don't pay full concentration or lose will power or interest in the career or life or being careless with life. If you have a good LSAT score with other things not bad, I don't doubt that you will have fruit from your efforts. Be sincere and honest. As for the life advice, it is also good to seek the elders' opinions since they accumulate more life experience and could tell us something from the perspectives of being at later stage of the life. There once were ntional poll conducted in France which asked if time went back to sixty years ago, what you would do agian. 60% of elder people say they would study and pursue their dream and they regreted they hadn't. But be careful--- 40% of elder people say other ways. Therefore, it is a matter of personal life style,taste and dream. Do you regret if you give up?
Good luck with your application!
Elsaxw, your words even inspire me to purchase my MBA dream. Though not thirty now, I am always thinking about what is my core competence in job market supposing that I get a MBA degree at the age of 30.Is that too late to start a career life? I found that there are so many wisdom and nice CDer in LSAT board, that is the reason why I come here often though my dream is not JD :=)
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Elsaxw's words are encouraging. But it is good to have a dose of reality when trying to pursue a degree or a career.
It is extremely difficult to get into a Top 10 JD program. LSAT is a killer. You can forget a Top 10 program UNLESS you can score a minimum of 168.
Even if you manage to get in, it is difficult to get a loan to cover 3 years of tuition and living expenses. The work is highly stressful. Always remember, you are a 32 years old Chinese woman competing mostly against 23-25 year old Americans! You MUST worker harder than most of them to get good enough grades to get a good job after graduation. Otherwise, you will be a 35 year old woman with $150,000 in debt and no job. A very bad position to be in.
Even if you get a big firm job paying you $125k a year, your life will still be very difficult and stressful. You can expect to work 70-80 hours a week in a typical New York City firm. Again, you are competing against Americans, mostly men, who are only 25-26 years old. Can you do it? Do you WANT to do it?
I am not against optimistic views. But America is not fairytale land, and you are not fairytale princesses. Think before you leap.
Elsaxw's words are encouraging. But it is good to have a dose of reality when trying to pursue a degree or a career.
It is extremely difficult to get into a Top 10 JD program. LSAT is a killer. You can forget about a Top 10 program UNLESS you can score a minimum of 168.
Even if you manage to get in a top 10 JD program, it is difficult to get a loan to cover 3 years of tuition and living expenses. The work is highly stressful. Always remember, you are a 32 years old Chinese woman competing mostly against 23-25 year old Americans! You MUST worker harder than most of them to get good enough grades to get a good job after graduation. Otherwise, you will be a 35 year old woman with $150,000 in debt and no job. A very bad position to be in.
If you get into a JD program that's not in the top 10, your grades become even more important. Do you have the willpower to compete for top 10% grades?
Even if you get a big firm job paying you $125k a year, your life will still be very difficult and stressful. You can expect to work 70-80 hours a week in a typical New York City firm. Again, you are competing against Americans, mostly men, who are only 25-26 years old. Can you do it? Do you WANT to do it?
I am not against optimistic views. But America is not fairytale land, and you are not fairytale princesses. Think before you leap.
About "supreme court justices who are nominated to the bench at 50" It's like saying "it is not too late to go for a MBA at 65, because people become CEOs at 65."
Those people graduated with JD from Harvard or Yale at 25. They were lawyers and judges all their lives before they became Supreme Court justices.
与大部分中国学生没有可比性There once were ntional poll conducted in France which asked if time went back to sixty years ago, what you would do agian. 60% of elder people say they would study and pursue their dream and they regreted they hadn't.
I'll always remember what you said above and never give up pursuing my dream.
I totally agree with 木馨 and Irena's posting. America is by no means a fairytale land.
另外,楼主的英语程度,大学GPA,LSAT成绩(或模拟考试成绩),经济条件,在美国是否有绿卡, 都是非常有关的因素.
不知道细节的时候, 大家能给的advice乃泛泛而谈
冒着被MM驳斥的危险...
适合读法律的年龄是男女有别的.在这里看到的TOP 14大陆男生, 一半是三十岁和以上的. 可是, 女生连过26岁的都不多见,而且大多是有家庭,老公事业成功稳定的.
还有，女孩子不能让生活太suffer了，要给自己留出生活的时间和内容，不要最后整个放在某项事业上，最后就是实现了未必也是你想要的生活。
权衡你自己，做个有把握的选择，让自己有点退路，无论在哪里都能有平衡的生活和事业，成功和幸福相伴。
25岁就嫁人放弃事业的女性有非常幸福的，也有非常失落的，35岁还在追求事业的女性有最后能获得美满归宿的（似乎这种结果在美国比在中国更可能发生）也有内心无法平衡的。早一点稳定下来但是高度不够的人生和冒着更多风险去投资为求一种更为宽泛远大的人生各有各的好处，也各有各的不足。看自己每一个时段要的是什么，并且是否有足够的能力去抵抗最坏的结果。一方面，不是金刚钻就不要去揽不属于你的瓷器活，另一方面，人毕竟有潜能，你可以试图去挖掘一下如果你想要，非常想要。lykuang02 说得好.
如果JD就是你最大的梦想, 哪怕风险很大,付出很多也不改变,那么就去追求吧. 很多事情无所谓对错, 关键在于是否 informed decision, and you must have the courage and confidence no matter what happens.
每件事情都有代价. 现在即使在Top 14 的JD program 里,日子也很辛苦. (今天不算上课时间,已经读了六小时的书了,估计明天早上5,6点还要早起继续读) 我个人不后悔,但是不等于我假设这也适合其他人,特别是其他女孩子. 如果还有更多更好的梦想,不要被一个JD 梦限制了以后好几年的道路.
Hi,Irena，I like what you said.
我们俩好像在一唱一和：=）take care of yourself.
冒着被MM驳斥的危险...
适合读法律的年龄是男女有别的.在这里看到的TOP 14大陆男生, 一半是三十岁和以上的. 可是, 女生连过26岁的都不多见,而且大多是有家庭,老公事业成功稳定的.
"女生连过26岁的都不多见,而且大多是有家庭,老公事业成功稳定的."
那些MM都结婚好早...
版主有什么好建议？
世间本没有路，走的人多了，自然成了路。
There are so many clashing views associated with various cases about whether you should pursue your dream or not. It is really up to you to discern them. We are so young with limited vista that we may not have an entire view of our whole life right at this age. Always try to think this way that what you are doing in your age at 50, what kind of life you like most and what kind of preson you want to be. US is different than China and China is getting closer to US. US encourages everyone to go boldly with his dream. The dream makes us different. The ability makes us distinguished.
About the life in US, I don't think you will have any problems with the loan. Almost all my JD friends live partly on loan and partly on scholarship. Majority of them who already graduated are working in the top 5 law firms. The repayment after graduation is a samll part of their earnings. But you need hard work for the good socres and rankings for the better chance of getting into the top law firms. Besides, there will be many other important things,such as new friends,life and view, you will get from this exprience,which is usually far beyond what you currently imagine. I tell what I know about the real life of some JDs in US top law schools. Hope they can give you some ideas.
Everything has its risk. If you don't study JD,then you end up being a Chinese lawyer or whatever. Can you say this career life won't have any risk? Will you not regret? Is that worth risking all your life? Risk is gone when faced with our determination and efforts. Don't waste too much time thinking, go straight do it. It is alway doing that beats saying and thinking. You will know deeper if you are doing a thing but not just thinking of it. You know that well. In Chinese--- XUE2,SI1,XING2 are integrated with each other.
I 'd happy to know you have a dream with JD. Not too many people have such a big dream. I feel really sorry if you give up your dream. As far as the age is concerned, there are many so-called old JDs or even older in top law schools. I agree wisdom and memory is increasing with the age not otherwise. You have a thorough view and insight about the theories and cases when getting older. Memory is boosted with the increasingly deepened interpretation ability. Memory lapse occurs when you don't pay full concentration or lose will power or interest in the career or life or being careless with life. If you have a good LSAT score with other things not bad, I don't doubt that you will have fruit from your efforts. Be sincere and honest. As for the life advice, it is also good to seek the elders' opinions since they accumulate more life experience and could tell us something from the perspectives of being at later stage of the life. There once were ntional poll conducted in France which asked if time went back to sixty years ago, what you would do agian. 60% of elder people say they would study and pursue their dream and they regreted they hadn't. But be careful--- 40% of elder people say other ways. Therefore, it is a matter of personal life style,taste and dream. Do you regret if you give up?
Good luck with your application!
我也同意木馨的建议,我现在人在美国,也在犹豫是否去读法律JD,因为我本科是法律,而且很喜欢法律,我25岁,要读的话也要贷款的,之所以犹豫是因为我担心35岁的我还是和现在一样,或者比现在还多烦恼,就业压力大,种族歧视,债务累累.....
所以我决定先读会计,有了稳定的工作,稳定的收入,再去追逐梦想,就算最后梦想没有实现,至少还能去做个会计,还能有时间陪陪家人,不是吗???
请问楼上你现在美国读会计吗？如是，请问只是商业管理背景，报读MACC能申请到什么样学校呢？
谢谢！
那天，在04年1期的elle上面，看到一个女的，36岁，（当时有一个四岁的孩子）才读的JD，后来先是在美国做lawyer，现在在上海做一个律师事务所的合伙人。
既然决定的事情，就去做好了。犹豫来，犹豫去，只会浪费时间。。。
年龄，不是什么问题，主要是自己要想清楚，自己最想要的是什么?
70 to 80 hrs per week? for the 125k jobs?
I am really scared, how reliable is ur source?
70 to 80 hrs per week? for the 125k jobs?
I am really scared, how reliable is ur source?
我的一个朋友就是这样的，工作特别辛苦，年薪差不多就这些。在他家住过，亲眼目睹他经常加班到半夜，甚至到第2天早上。
如果你知道偶比你年纪还大，英语可能比你还差，却有类似的计划，是否会增添一些信心呢？？？？
楼上的好歹是个男生，我才是属于高龄困难女生。。。。。。555。。
撑不住了，就过来看看这篇帖子，找点鼓励。。。
性别不是距离, 年龄不是问题, 统筹安排才是最关键.
到JD读完, 都30出头了....
30岁出头，又有什么可怕？
JD找工作不看年龄，看你的背景和GPA。
如果成绩好，在好的学校,就算是华裔，就算是“高龄”，找起工作来并不比美国人差。
人生到哪一步都是奋斗。在法学院，有苦有甜。不要被想象的困难吓倒。也有退学的，不过都是找到了更好的出路：）
法学院平均年龄大约24-26.
国际学生应该挺大了....
I truly respect your concern for your family and child(ren). I think it is a tough question to answer, depends on your financial goals and frankly, whether your wife will be able to work. If you and your wife both work, you can get a lower paying legal job and have more time to spend your family. Alternatively, if you make enough $, your wife may be able to spend more time at home by taking a less demanding job, or don't work at all.
There are certainly other choices for law school graduates. However, as a Chinese JD students, our choices are more limited. American students can choose to work for the US government/courts, open their own practice, work for US military, work for a corporation as an in-houes counsel etc. These jobs may pay 40-80k a year, for 40-60 hours a week.
But Chinese students have a few special hardships:
1. Not eligible for most US goverment/courts jobs because of citizenship
2. Cannot have own law office unless it is an immigration/international business office. Very limited range of cases and clients.
3. Language and cultural hardships. Can we prove we are more valuable than native English speakers?
4. Visa problems.
5. High debt from student loans (may not apply if the Chinese student is from a wealthy family)
Big law (sell your soul) jobs don't care about citizenship. They will get you visas, pay enough to pay off your loans, and of course, may choose to hire Chinese for cases involving China. That's why most Chinese want (and need) to get big law jobs.
In any case, good luck in your decision. I think the decision to pursue a JD degree is a very important one. Only do it if you have interest in the subject matter, not just for the money. JD requires 3 years of hard work, little income (probably only 20-25k over 3 years, for a 2nd summer internship), and stress. Otherwise, you may be able to be an engineer/financial analyst/accountant, make somewhat less money ($35-100k, depends on experience), but have much more family time and personal satisifaction.
美国绝大部分financial analyst 不在投行.
Thank you so much, Irena. I really appreciate it. You are right: we need investigate and ponder more before plunging into law.
I studied law as an undergraduate minor and passed the lawyer's qualifying exam in China. At least I don't hate law though I know my domestic legal experience won't help much in US. And JD looks like my only choice now: I am an English literature major who's dead tired of his major and has a family to feed. And I am also a math idiot (no surprise,right?) so accounting,engineering and financial analyzing are impossibilities for me.
Fortunately my wife works and may secure a government job fairly soon. A government job would spare her some time for our children.
OK, soul selling, that's it?
You are very welcome.
Do you and your wife already have green cards? If so, more options will be open to you as a lawyer, since you will not need sponsorship once you graduate.
单身女性的话工作会好找一些
结婚有小孩以后相对困难
美国律所是比较种族歧视性别歧视的
另外不知道你原来本科是否法学
不然可以读一个税法LLM,对将来家庭生活的压力（主要是flexible schedule）也小一些
单身女性的话工作会好找一些
结婚有小孩以后相对困难
美国律所是比较种族歧视性别歧视的
一点不错. 种族是一个问题, 性别年龄也是一个问题. 学校也是问题. 在BERKELEY拿奖学金,踌躇满志的年轻男生, 根本不了解年龄大的, 女生, 或者有小孩的人, 找工作的苦处.
我今年也三十二岁,也在考虑上否考LSAT,去美国申请读书.因为先生是美籍华人(其实是中国人),孩子也是美籍,我正在申请绿卡,在国内的大学学的也是法律,挺想出去读书的.
希望有类似情况的多多一起交流..
另外不知道你原来本科是否法学
不然可以读一个税法LLM,对将来家庭生活的压力（主要是flexible schedule）也小一些
税法LLM 有多好啊? 工作好找?
liuying2304,欢迎来到论坛.
如果家里经济很充裕,孩子也大一点,只是出于兴趣和背景想再读读书,丰富一下人生,不妨一试.
但是如果是为了将来就业,而且经济不是非常充裕,那么就要很慎重,三思而后行.毕竟毕业时候会是35岁了,体力上很难和25岁的年轻律师一样拼搏,更要考虑孩子团聚时间的问题. 不妨考虑一下其他花费少,学程短的专业,比如会计,财务,之类,好找工作,也不会太累.
个人而言, 我要是过30岁,又没有很好的经济保证,是不会半路出家去读JD的. 风险太大, 而且太累,压力大,对女生不是很好的选择.不过,我对物质和名誉的需求也比较低.
当然,每个人的具体情况和个性不同,决定也自然会不一样.
我真是疯了，23岁高龄了还想读jd.....
考了GMAT来美国读商学院，现在商学院读着在这里上了美国宪法的课就又想申法学院了……
你的英语水平，以前所在学校的GPA，你的个人经历，LSAT成绩，经济基础以及你的年龄包括你的EASSY都是申请好的学校的重要因素。
另外，你将来的出路都是需要认真考虑的。
以你的年龄，不是仅仅靠激情可以解决的。
不是打击你。前面有几位过来人。建议你认真的看一下
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