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标题: 【择校求助】McGill还是Rotman？ [打印本页]

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-6 11:40
标题: 【择校求助】McGill还是Rotman？

求助各位大佬：

我申了3所学校的Full-Time MBA，每所学校都给了offer和类似数目的小奖：
多伦多大学Rotman 20k CAD (10.2K人民币）
麦吉尔大学Desautels 18k CAD (9.2K 人民币）
港中文大学 12w HKD (10.5K 人民币）

我本身是口译专业毕业，工作也是翻译/总助岗位，最终目的是定居加拿大，转型到business-related position，更倾向于marketing，不过由于本身business exposure也不够多，需要上了学才知道自己到底想去什么方向。所以港中文就先不考虑了。

另外两个学校排名也差不多吧，其他基本信息和考虑：

1. 多伦多大学

在多伦多，位于安大略省，基本就是加拿大最大城市了，金融中心。工作机会很多。永居申请两条路：1. 要么毕业之后工作一年后走express entry申请永居，什么时候批下来不清楚，反正最快工作后一年拿到PR；要么毕业后转工签，在加拿大待三年，学习时间+工签时间熬五年转PR，期间回国容易受到阻碍。

2. 麦吉尔大学
位于魁北克省蒙特利尔，加拿大第二大城市。魁北克省是法语自治区，有自己的特殊移民项目。走PEQ的话，只要顺利毕业+毕业半年内考出法语B2，就能拿永居。从申请到拿到差不多1个多月。拿到PR之后就可以加拿大随处走了。
缺点在于：1. 需要学法语，B2水平大概是雅思6-7，注重口语。不过我是语言专业，语言上也比较有天赋和兴趣，曾经自学韩语到高级，不过对于法语有点恐惧，曾经学了意大利语1年也就A2水平，而且怕MBA课程紧张，没语言学习时间。2. 工作机会少于多伦多，蒙特利尔的经济和之前相比不太景气。如果是中小型公司工作，可能需要用到法语。

另外，我是准备和我老公一起去加拿大的。他本科毕业准备考一个商科Master。他还在备考GMAT，下周考第二次，但是情况不容乐观，而且GPA也不高，但是我们依旧有信心的！如果他最终没拿到学校的offer，估计就是先旅游签和我去加拿大，然后境内转Open work permit. 所以我得先去申请签证，那到底去哪个学校这个决定也非常重要了。

希望各位大佬给点建议，在此谢过！！！

作者: gurusaj 时间: 2018-12-6 16:54
给大佬顶顶

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-6 17:44

gurusaj 发表于 2018-12-6 16:54
给大佬顶顶

哈哈谢谢你来凑热闹~~~

作者: nikita777 时间: 2018-12-9 04:21
楼主决定了吗…我也拿到rotman但是另一个是schulich，纠结中

作者: QFS 时间: 2018-12-9 08:49
想请问一下楼主，相关的移民政策都是在哪里找到的？

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-9 13:24

QFS 发表于 2018-12-9 08:49
想请问一下楼主，相关的移民政策都是在哪里找到的？

加拿大和魁北克的官网

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-9 13:28

nikita777 发表于 2018-12-9 04:21
楼主决定了吗…我也拿到rotman但是另一个是schulich，纠结中

当初我看了下York的地理位置，我还是选择了UoT……都在多伦多，不如更市中心点~我的想法还挺简单，反正排名都选好的说，career report也都是90%左右看不出优劣，就看你自己想要什么了……其实无论选哪个都很好，都是top uni不是么~

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-10 14:28
帮自己顶一下~~~

作者: QFS 时间: 2018-12-11 13:52

类类_sh 发表于 2018-12-9 13:24
加拿大和魁北克的官网

请问楼主能不能分享一下链接

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-11 15:46

QFS 发表于 2018-12-11 13:52
请问楼主能不能分享一下链接

http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.html
这是魁北克的
加拿大的自己查下吧，网上都是

作者: jinngca 时间: 2018-12-14 10:34
mcgill本科毕业，魁北克生活8年，魁省拿到pr身份，真诚建议你去多伦多 o(╯□╰)o
原因：
1. mcgill近年来排名下滑非常严重，主要因为在法语区联邦不拨钱+是英语大学魁省也不拨钱，爹不疼娘不爱，硬件软件都没钱投资了。作为alumni很心疼但是也没有办法，想当年我上学时候和多大还竞争第一，现在已经被多大和UBC远远甩在身后了。不管学院单独排名如何，学校综合排名下滑的话是很吃亏的，毕竟MBA很大程度上读的也是个brand
2. 魁省相对其他省份移民比较简单，但这两年政策收紧很多，对法语的要求越来越高。前几年随便上个免试班混通过就可以了，现在是必须真枪实弹考tefaq，动不动还来个面试。如果你英语底子好+语言学习能力好的话要通过也是可以的，但要看你觉得是否值得了。不过风声一直是魁省移民要变更难blah blah
3. 魁省因为一直在闹独立+强推法语，经济增长缓慢，当地大企业比多伦多少（因为外省的大企业很难进来，政策语言都不一样）。即便有，如果你真的想要找到白领金领级别的好工作，不会法语基本是不可能的。除非是tech类的工作或者创业不要求法语，服务类的如consulting 和marketing，法语都是必须的。

Montreal 作为生活或者旅游还是个很好的地方，和加拿大其他地方都非常不一样，各种有情调。但如果以事业和机遇来看的话比多伦多差很多。lz如果不是很拼事业，就想有个工作，定居安稳生活的话，可以考虑来这，毕竟整体节奏很慢（继承了法式的散漫和浪漫）。但如果拼事业的话还是去多伦多吧。

而且蒙特利尔的中餐太难吃了，这么多年没有一个像样的餐馆。-_-||

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-14 16:28

jinngca 发表于 2018-12-14 10:34
mcgill本科毕业，魁北克生活8年，魁省拿到pr身份，真诚建议你去多伦多 o(╯□╰)o
原因：
1. mcgill近年来 ...

谢谢如此informative的回复！！！让我更加坚定了信念。
我也是准备去多伦多了，因为出国读这个MBA就是想去拼一拼事业的。
法语也是一个很尴尬的存在，我目的就是用英语作为工作语言，我当初选择加拿大就是因为英语是官方语言。如果以后工作必须是法语，就背离初衷了。

作者: QFS 时间: 2018-12-14 21:27

类类_sh 发表于 2018-12-11 15:46
http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/index.html
这是魁北克的
加拿大的自己查下吧，网上都是 ...

嗯呢，谢谢楼主！！！！！！！！！

作者: Cindybaby0 时间: 2018-12-15 01:24
这两个选多大吧。
多大在多伦多，来了之后华人多，有更多的归属感。
找工作也比Montreal好找。

作者: 冬天的眼泪 时间: 2018-12-15 20:24
这个果断是rotman诶，多伦多大学确实国际排名比麦吉尔没高很多，但是在中国人的心目中确实差别很大了。多伦多大学各方面国际声誉等还是可以的，而且最主要在多伦多，工作机会相对多些。我也拿了rotman

作者: nikita777 时间: 2018-12-16 10:50

类类_sh 发表于 2018-12-9 13:28
当初我看了下York的地理位置，我还是选择了UoT……都在多伦多，不如更市中心点~我的想法还挺简单，反正排 ...

我当时就是只想去trt所以只申请了那两个，我决定去rotman了。楼主也去的话加好友啊～

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-17 15:07

nikita777 发表于 2018-12-16 10:50
我当时就是只想去trt所以只申请了那两个，我决定去rotman了。楼主也去的话加好友啊～ ...

我也基本山准备去多伦多了~
加好友吧~我微信号是cyr1993
加了我之后我拉你进已录rotman的交流群>.<

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-17 15:11

Cindybaby0 发表于 2018-12-15 01:24
这两个选多大吧。
多大在多伦多，来了之后华人多，有更多的归属感。
找工作也比Montreal好找。 ...

我是准备去多大了，关键是被McGill的admission team的效率给震碎了……太墨迹了，没有对比没有伤害，我本身就比较注重效率的，虽然心疼了我的5000 CAD的deposit lol但是下了决定之后心情会很轻松。

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-17 15:44

冬天的眼泪发表于 2018-12-15 20:24
这个果断是rotman诶，多伦多大学确实国际排名比麦吉尔没高很多，但是在中国人的心目中确实差别很大了。多伦 ...

是的呢我问我爸妈他们第一反应就是多伦多因为多伦多他们听说过==
嗯嗯我也问了留在多伦多的朋友只要不是特别执念某些工作都能找到工作~

作者: Cindybaby0 时间: 2018-12-17 23:26

类类_sh 发表于 2018-12-17 15:11
我是准备去多大了，关键是被McGill的admission team的效率给震碎了……太墨迹了，没有对比没有伤害，我本 ...

19年9月入学吗？可以来了约个饭啊，我应该在多伦多

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-18 10:13

Cindybaby0 发表于 2018-12-17 23:26
19年9月入学吗？可以来了约个饭啊，我应该在多伦多

嗯呐！！好呀~~♥我的微信cyr1993

作者: 勋允勋允 时间: 2018-12-18 20:23
之前在亚洲申请板块看到了楼主，不管楼主选择如何，恭喜楼主啦！！很厉害！顺便沾沾喜气，啧啧啧

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-19 17:46

勋允勋允发表于 2018-12-18 20:23
之前在亚洲申请板块看到了楼主，不管楼主选择如何，恭喜楼主啦！！很厉害！顺便沾沾喜气，啧啧啧 ...

谢谢♥
祝你也一切顺利！圣诞快乐

作者: minthomas 时间: 2018-12-23 02:26
也在纠结中，本人就在蒙特利尔工作，法语的确会一直都是一个阻碍。同时得到多大和麦达的录取。其实在加拿大境内，这两个的名声都差不多，没有特别本质的区别。当然多大在多伦多找工作方便，麦大在蒙特利尔很方便。
麦大每年有30%的人都会在毕业后去多伦多工作，所以名声和校友也是不错的。

多大的缺点是，项目招的人太多了，一年350人，要想和别人建立号的联系，可能比较困难，上课可能人很多，交流不容易。
麦大可能在这一点是比较独特的，一般就80人左右，所以你基本和每个人都认识，还有一个international study trip是所有学生一起去，所以感情联系会比较深。麦大的学费也便宜一点

当然工作的话，多伦多是比蒙特利尔多，但是竞争也激烈，和国内的北京上海是类似的感觉。而且多伦多的房价是世界上都数一数二的高，可能会是一个很令人挣扎的地方。包括交通和水电在多伦多也会更贵。

作者: WaterClear 时间: 2018-12-24 04:00
我是rotman本科毕业的，真的很不喜欢r多大这种大课的感觉，而且多大真的在学业上简直是要把人逼疯了，多大整个学校就是学习学习学习，对于就业真的就只能靠自己，每次说什么自己在downtown，离bay st近，其实也没啥用。但是多伦多downtown生活很舒服，吃喝玩乐啥都有，也挺安全的。不知道研究生有没有分college，反正我的朋友都是在college里面认识的，college一定要选VIC，因为VIC最有钱而且环境好有气氛。Mcgill的本科超级好，但是毕竟在法语省，不会法语真的很难找工作，而且气候又冷，真的读书也是要选城市的，多伦多生活方便太多了。多大的强势就是在研究生教育，要是选本科的话我选McGill，MBA的话那么肯定是多大了。

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-25 13:52

minthomas 发表于 2018-12-23 02:26
也在纠结中，本人就在蒙特利尔工作，法语的确会一直都是一个阻碍。同时得到多大和麦达的录取。其实在加拿大 ...

谢谢你的回复~
如果在蒙特利尔工作不会法语就是障碍的话，估计我就不会选择蒙特利尔了。我出国读书的最终目的是用英语作为我的working language，so thanks for so important information!
这个月和rotman还有mcgill的招生团队接触之后，对彼此的效率深有感受，不禁猜想rotman敢招收那么多人，也是因为他们有能力和底气去培养更多人才。
从头到尾我就只担忧多伦多工作的竞争是否太可怕，毕竟跨专业也算短板。至于多伦多的生活费及房价之类的，其实就是因为不想在上海花7-9万/平的价格去买中环附近的已有20年历史的二手公房才更加坚定了出国的想法。
谢谢你的分享鸭~好人真多，嘻嘻！

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2018-12-25 13:56

WaterClear 发表于 2018-12-24 04:00
我是rotman本科毕业的，真的很不喜欢r多大这种大课的感觉，而且多大真的在学业上简直是要把人逼疯了，多大 ...

注重学习不能算是坏事，抗住压力之后我们能走得更远。
找工作必须自己努力吧，也没法靠他人，关系也得自己去找，这是社会的规则啊叹气。不过你这么夸多伦多的生活让我很向往呢！我也想通了，政策弄清楚之后，多纠结也没啥意思，从心吧，我就是只喜欢大城市lol
谢谢你的回复呢！圣诞快乐！

作者: Hailey0105 时间: 2018-12-29 22:31

发表于 2018-12-14 10:34:27
mcgill本科毕业，魁北克生活8年，魁省拿到pr身份，真诚建议你去多伦多 o(╯□╰)o
原因：...

同意！

作者: minthomas 时间: 2019-1-1 02:45
我在其他的一个论坛也写了一个英文的帖子，懒得翻译了，直接复制粘贴到这里了，如果对大家有帮助的话：

Got admitted from both McGill and Rotman for MBA starting in Fall 2019 with same scholarship…
It is a real struggle I believe for a lot students. These two schools are really 50/50, and it is not just choosing school, but it is also choosing between two different cities.

My background-
Undergraduate: Industrial Engineering from Beijing, China
Graduate: Industrial Engineering from Montreal, Canada
Work experience: 4.5 years in project management from different industries in Montreal, Canada
Goal: Work as product manager or general manager for any IT or technology driven industry, or entertainment industry, like IBM, Ericsson, Ubisoft, Moment Factory, etc.
Applied only to Rotman, McGill and Ivey. Got rejected by Ivey 2 weeks after my application, I guess it is really competitive then.

Rotman:
Pros-
1) As a whole university, the ranking of U of T is higher than McGill in the world if you care about the rest of world
2) There are more majors at Rotman than Mcgill, there are 15 majors at Rotman, only 4 at Mcgill
3) There is a self development lab at Rotman which is focusing on developing your personal skills, I don't see or hear much about this type of thing at McGill
4) Economic center of Canada, a lot of people say there are more job in Toronto than Montreal, but I mean they are both big cities in Canada, Montreal is not that smaller than Toronto either, so…
5) Salary in Toronto is higher than Montreal, this might be arguable
6) Close to bay street, major corporation area. Easy to get networking activities close to school
7) You can live perfectly well with speaking only English
8) Probably more ethic minority group in Toronto since you don’t have to speak French, just Chinese and Indian population are already much bigger than in Montreal, so you might feel easier to get connected with your own group
9) A lot of different and good restaurants and boutiques that I don’t find in Montreal, like good Thai restaurant, or some fashion boutique. Even China town is much bigger in Toronto than Montreal.
10) Major concerts from US or UK stars always make a tour in Toronto, but not necessarily in Montreal if you like these type of things
11) Road condition in Toronto is much better than in Montreal, but if you end up living in suburb, like Markham or Mississauga, you most likely have to drive and it is pain in the ass with all the traffic
12) I think school efficiency is higher at Rotman and U of T. When I sent email to admission staff and other residency staff at U of T, I hear back from them very fast compared with McGill I would say.

Cons-
1) Tuition fee is really high, actually it is the highest in Canada
2) Living expense is higher too, the rent is 2 or 3 times than Montreal for similar situation, also the hydro, car insurance is higher than Montreal
3) There are more competition in Toronto after you graduate, you will compete with graduates from Rotman, Schulich, Ryerson, Ivey, Queens or even some outsiders like McGill, UBC, etc
4) Class size is biggest in Canada, there are 350 students each year. But I actually looked at other Top US and European school, it is common for a lot of them to have big class size. For example, Harvard has 950 students each year. But still, this might be an issue since you will share resource with a lot of students at the same time, I heard from a part time alumni, she mentioned you don't get that much personal attention from professor or staff, you really need to navigate through by yourself
5) I heard there is huge amount of Indian and Chinese students at Rotman, which might not be that interesting for you if you are already from these two groups and if you want to just experience other groups
6) A lot of people say that Toronto is a fake copy of New York, which means it has a lot of high buildings and a lot of financial institutions. But it kind lacks of some characters compared with Montreal or New York. It is just a modern city. I can’t really feel something really special about this city when I visited there

McGill:
Pros-
1) Good reputation as a whole university in the world and in Canada, I heard it has strong alumni networking in the northeast of US, like New York, Boston, Washington these area
2) Small class size, I think this has been mentioned by both school and students. There are only maximum 80 students a year. It is tight class, this helps you to get to know each other really well and get a lot of personal resource. But I also talked with one of McGill alumni, she said she actually felt that it might be better to have more students, so you have bigger network and learn from more students. I mean, it is really hard to judge if this is good or not. But 80 is really a small class size for a top university no matter in Canada or in the word
3) A lot of focus on consulting concentration, though I am not sure how many students actually get to there after graduation
4) Very cost effective program for a top university, tuition fee is cheaper than Rotman
5) Cost effective city-Montreal, the rent, food, transportation, hydro are all cheaper than Toronto. Montreal was ranked No.1 best student city in the world by QS in 2017
6) It is a cultural icon city in NA as it is the second largest French speaking city in the world after Paris, the people, personality, architectures are all unique because of French influence
7) Job prosperity is pretty good too in recent years in Montreal, a lot of AI, entertainment giants set up offices in Montreal
8) Immigration policy in Quebec is easier than other province based on my personal experience. In order to apply for Quebec CSQ, there is PEQ program for students you only need to graduate from a Quebec university and you need to pass a B2 level French language test or course (there are different ways to achieve this, through standard test or just passing certain government recognized class, I did the latter). It only took me two weeks to get my CSQ after I submit all documents and got my permanent residence from Federal government in a year. If you study in Ontario, I believe there is also program for master degree student, but per my communication with a lot of my friends in Ontario, it seems longer than Quebec for students stream. But I mean, you will get it no matter which city you live, you just follow the rule and do whatever step you need to do. Canada gives you 3 years open work permit after graduation, so you have plenty of time to apply your PR unless you don't want that
9) McGill is also in downtown of Montreal, so you will get plenty of chances to network with major companies in Montreal
10) There is Toronto networking event organized by Desautels to visit Toronto for three days with alumni and company representatives, so if you want to work in Toronto, you still get good chance to build your network there. 35% students still work in Toronto after graduation, so you can still expect good network in Toronto. I actually talked with one of recent alumni (2018 class) who works in Toronto now, so you can always count on some alumni in Toronto.
11) Day care is much cheaper in Quebec, in public day care, it is 7 or 8 dollar a day if I am not mistaken. If you go private, still cheaper than in Tornto. You can read this recent article to compare the day care cost, you will see monthly day care cost is only around 200 dollar in Quebec, but in Ontario is around 1000. This can be a big factor for MBA student who come here with family or who is ready to have children soon. https://www.ctvnews.ca/features/analysis-daycare-fees-on-the-rise-across-canada-1.3940099
12) A lot of cultural activities in Montreal, both in summer and winter. Bar is better or at least open longer hours than Toronto. Like Gay village is much bigger than Toronto and I would say LGBTQ is much more acceptable in Quebec, though Toronto is acceptable too.
13) Cheese and wine in Quebec is better as this is what French people like! And more French restaurants in Montreal for sure if you want to experience really different culture.
14) There is international study trip for the whole class together at McGill. You will travel to a country with whole class for 10 days, it might be a life time experience. This is unique and mandatory and it is already included in your tuition fee, though I think you probably have to pay for your own flight and accommodation. In Rotman, there is also international experience opportunity, but they are not mandatory.

Cons-
1) There is less concentration of personal skills development compared Rotman which has a self development lab
2) Salary is slightly lower than Toronto, but you have to factor the living expense too. A lot of people say the higher salary in Toronto doesn't justify the higher living expense in Toronto. But the highest salary can be much higher than Montreal if you get that type of position
3) French might be a big issue for a lot of non francophone students for job after graduation. But for living in Montreal, daily life, it is not a real issue. Most of people in Montreal are bilingual; there is no issue to live your daily life here with only speaking English. But for job hunting, this can be an issue, especially for a lot of small to medium sized local companies, if you are in a position that you need a lot of communication with clients or internal team, then they prefer French speaking students since you need to communicate with a lot of local employees or local organizations who might be more comfortable in French, this should be totally understandable. If this is my native language, I will prefer to speak it as well. So if you choose Montreal, it is definitely advisable to start to learn French as this helps you a lot for both your daily life and your job hunting. But I can speak from my experience as a non francophone immigrant from China, you can still find good job in Montreal if your French is not that good. I found all my major jobs in English since most of my communication is done with outside of Quebec, like US or Europe or China. But I did get rejected a few times due to my poor French too. So it really depends on industry and specific company nature you are applying to. There is no absolute answer to this question. It is really case by case situation.  But in terms of language training, there is free French language class at beginning of MBA when you enter McGill. And in Montreal, there are a lot of community centers offer free French language class to new comers based on different criteria. Even after you start to work in Montreal, a lot of companies offer free French class to employees. These classes are all subsidised by provincial government as it encourages people to live in Quebec with good skill.
4) There is less ethical minority population in Montreal, like Indian or Chinese, but still, there is a quite a lot of them  as students in McGill, Concordia. And there are quite a lot of Chinese and Indian restaurants in downtown area in Montreal as most of students live in this area, we actually call it : New Chinatown
5) The winter in Montreal is a bit colder than Toronto as Montreal is a big north than Toronto, but still both cities are pretty cold and snow a lot in winter. So it is not like between Montreal and Miami. You know what I mean? But Quebec has better ski places than Ontario if you are into this.
6) Montreal road condition is very bad compared with a lot of major cities in the world. Government says it is due to our harsh winter. Well, this has been discussed endlessly in the media, in the election, in our daily life. But we never have an absolute answer for this question. Let’s just say this is a fact if this ever bothers you.
7) Medical system is super slow in Quebec, I heard Ontario is not that better either, but might be faster since they pay their doctors higher than in Quebec, and a lot of McGill medicine students relocate to Ontario for better salary. Since it is free here, a lot of sick or non-sick persons will go to clinic and hospitals, so you can expect pretty long wait time for small, non life threatening situation, even operation might have to wait if you are not dying next minute. It is based on severity of your illnesses, not first come first serve principle in hospitals. I have a family doctor, I would say he/she is your best and most efficient resource to go if it is not urgent.
8) Income tax is much higher in Quebec than in Ontario and government keeps saying it is because we have better social support system, I guess it is true since our tuition, transit, day care are already very cheap. You can see it from below articles about the different income tax:  we are definitely like more European style in Quebec as a society:
https://montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/quebec-income-tax-rate-the-third-highest-in-the-oecd-report
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Quebecs-income-tax-the-highest-in-Canada

In conclusion, this is just really based on my personal experience and what I learned from friends who live in different cities and my experience in travelling in Toronto. As you can see, I might put a lot more information for Montreal since I always live here since I came to Canada in 2012 as student. As I write down this article, it can actually help me to clarify that I might prefer to stay in Montreal with McGill for my study. But in the future, if there is better opportunity in Toronto for work, I might be willing to relocate. I hope I give good idea about both school and cities as I mentioned before, it is more than just choosing two schools, it is actually more about choosing two different cities. No matter you only want to live in Montreal or Toronto after school, it will be a lifetime 2 years’ experience at either school.  You can have more discussion and experience to share if you are or were ever in this situation before. Generally, Canada is great place to live no matter which city.

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2019-1-2 17:53

minthomas 发表于 2019-1-1 02:45
我在其他的一个论坛也写了一个英文的帖子，懒得翻译了，直接复制粘贴到这里了，如果对大家有帮助的话：

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非常感谢你的回复，so informative！
我也决定了，我会去rotman，回想初心，我就是为了用英语做working language才准备出国读的mba，如果最后还是需要借助于French，那这一切不都是忘了最初的目标了么？我会因为用英语交流而开心，或许这也是痴人的部分吧。
Anyway, thx for your sharing, and I know either choice would be great.

作者: minthomas 时间: 2019-1-3 07:48
Mark一下！

作者: 类类_sh 时间: 2019-1-3 17:15
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