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作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-2 23:43
标题: 请教一下关于比较双方的问题
看到prep上有一道题目
If current trends continue, by the year 2010 carbon emissions in the United States will soar to a level more than one-third higher than were those in 1990, according to official projections.

A. will soar to a level more than one-third higher than were those
B. will soar to a level more than one-third higher than that
C. would soar to a level more than one-third higher than is was
D. would soar to a level more than one-third higher than those
E. would soar to a level more than one-third higher than they were

答案选B 没有问题，但是想问一下这里的话 That 指代level，by the year 2010是状语修饰整句，比较双方是不是变成 a level 和 a level in 1990?
如果是这样的话，根据Ron的说法，这样的比较是不合理的。
所以很困惑，想请教一下。

找到另一道prep的题
Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.
A.Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
B. Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
C. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds that which has been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
D. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
E. The growth of the global economy between 1990 and 2000 exceeded what it did for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture

答案选A

B选项的错误是that指 the global economy，between 1990 and 2000作状语修饰整句，这样比较双方是 the global economy 和 the global economy during 10000 years。这样是无法比较的，所以错了。

真的百思不得其解。
顺便请教一下，应该怎么看比较对象是啥啊……怀疑第一题我理解错比较对象了。
诚挚感谢

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-3 09:35
第一题是a level by the year 2010 more than that in 1990，按照Ron的说法这样的比较不合理不知道是怎么理解，a level vs. a level 是没有问题的。

第二题B选项的错误是在于economy grew more than economy during 10000 years

如果比较的是economy和economy就没有问题了。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-3 18:18

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-3 09:35
第一题是a level by the year 2010 more than that in 1990，按照Ron的说法这样的比较不合理不知道是怎么理 ...

啊？我以为by the year 2010是状语,修饰整个句子的.....

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-4 10:34

阿兔发表于 2017-7-3 18:18
啊？我以为by the year 2010是状语,修饰整个句子的.....

哦，sorry，我写的有点问题。

应该是a level more than one-third higher than level in 1990.

所以你觉得问题是在哪里呢？

下面的economy grew more than economy during 10000 years错误是因为比较的是the extent of the growth 和 economy，和状语没有关系。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-4 12:19

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-4 10:34
哦，sorry，我写的有点问题。

应该是a level more than one-third higher than level in 1990.

就是第一题的 a level和a level in 1990的对比……
Ron举了个例子，The air quality of les vegas was higher in2007 than that in 1997.是错的，因为这里的比较是 the air quality 和 the air quality in 1997.空气质量和1997的空气质量。就相当于说苹果比红苹果红。
应该改为 the air quality of les vegas in 2007 was higher than that in 1997.这样双方是2007的空气质量和1997的空气质量。这个相当于说红苹果比绿苹果红……
然后我想问一下这里是不是一样的情况 level 和 level in 1990的比较

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-4 14:33

阿兔发表于 2017-7-4 12:19
就是第一题的 a level和a level in 1990的对比……
Ron举了个例子，The air quality of les vegas was hi ...

这里更简单的办法还是平行

The air quality in 2007 was higher than that in 1997. Parallel.
The air quality was higher in 2007 than in 1997. Parallel.

The air quality was higher in 2007 than that in 1997. Not Parallel.

他说的意思我能理解但是这样判断是Instructor才需要考虑的事情, 就是一个错的结构到底是怎么错的。这个其实对解题来说是更复杂也更难的过程。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-4 15:29

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-4 14:33
这里更简单的办法还是平行

The air quality in 2007 was higher than that in 1997. Parallel.

好的好的我明白了
还有一个问题，怎么看比较对象呢……是不是根据句意判断比较好啊
问题比较多… 感谢感谢

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-4 16:13

阿兔发表于 2017-7-4 15:29
好的好的我明白了
还有一个问题，怎么看比较对象呢……是不是根据句意判断比较好啊
问题比较多… 感谢感 ...

没关系。

比较其实就是另外一种平行的形式，Ron其实说过，关于比较不要纠结于省略了哪些词，而是在于前后比较的结构是否平行。

其实常用的比较也就那几种，理解一下句子的意思肯定是很有帮助的。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-4 16:26

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-4 16:13
没关系。

比较其实就是另外一种平行的形式，Ron其实说过，关于比较不要纠结于省略了哪些词，而是在于前 ...

好哒好哒非常感谢！！！

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-4 16:35
啊又发现了一个问题，第二句的B选项是指 the growth of economy 吗？
你之前的意思是不是指 economy 啊？好纠结……

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-4 16:51

阿兔发表于 2017-7-4 16:35
啊又发现了一个问题，第二句的B选项是指 the growth of economy 吗？
你之前的意思是不是指 economy 啊？ ...

B选项里并没有growth这个词啊

Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than that during 10,000 years
The air quality was higher in 2007 than that in 1997

这两个的错误是一样的。都不平行。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-5 14:28

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-4 16:51
B选项里并没有growth这个词啊

Between 1990 and 2000 the global economy grew more than that during 1 ...

定睛看了一下，我把B选项打错了……懵逼脸
B选项是 Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global economy was more than that during 10,000 years,from when agriculture began

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-5 15:17

阿兔发表于 2017-7-5 14:28
定睛看了一下，我把B选项打错了……懵逼脸
B选项是 Between 1990 and 2000 the growth of the global eco ...

that during 10000 years 并没有合适的precedent，前面并没有一个词是something during (or other prep) a period.

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-5 21:57

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-5 15:17
that during 10000 years 并没有合适的precedent，前面并没有一个词是something during (or other prep) ...

那这样又回到我一开始的问题……第一题里前面没有和a level in 1997 parallel的对象了
好迷……
可能这就是所谓的要把握出题点吧……

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-6 08:31

阿兔发表于 2017-7-5 21:57
那这样又回到我一开始的问题……第一题里前面没有和a level in 1997 parallel的对象了
好迷……
可能这就 ...

你还是没有理解，你说的是平行的问题，我说的是that这个pronoun的问题。

这里的问题并不是比较有什么问题，实际上这里growth was more than growth during 10000 years没有问题。

问题在于that不能指代growth，因为growth并没有类似during 10000 years的modifier。

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-6 14:19

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-6 08:31
你还是没有理解，你说的是平行的问题，我说的是that这个pronoun的问题。

这里的问题并不是比较有什么问 ...

啊……是这样的啊……
我以为that的指代就是靠句意来判断就好了……明白了……
感谢

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-6 14:46

阿兔发表于 2017-7-6 14:19
啊……是这样的啊……
我以为that的指代就是靠句意来判断就好了……明白了……
感谢 ...

其实你可能没看清Ron的回复，他说的就是这个意思。

Quote Ron "you can't use 'that' in this sort of construction, because constructions using 'that of' (or other preposition after 'that') must have EXACTLY parallel structures. in other words, if the second half says 'that during 10,000 years', then the preceding half must say 'the growth of ___ during something else' (or some other time preposition, such as before or after, in place of during)"

另外B选项后面的From when也是不平行的

作者: 阿兔 时间: 2017-7-6 15:55

fxxxfxxx 发表于 2017-7-6 14:46
其实你可能没看清Ron的回复，他说的就是这个意思。

Quote Ron "you can't use 'that' in this sort of c ...

这样一看…好像的确是这样，是自己一直理解错了……
非常感谢

作者: fxxxfxxx 时间: 2017-7-6 16:00

阿兔发表于 2017-7-6 15:55
这样一看…好像的确是这样，是自己一直理解错了……
非常感谢

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