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作者: 亲爱的敌人 时间: 2016-5-21 13:32
标题: 求解一道og语法题，关于suggest用法

Repelled by bodily punishments such as maiming and branding, the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers.
(A) the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers
(B) penitentiaries were ideas for reform of the penal system suggested by Quakers
(C) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
(D) Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries
(E) the penitentiary was suggested to be a reform of the penal system by Quakers

楼主选的D，因为看到suggest就想到了that。正确答案是C，那么这里的suggest到底是建议的意思还是表明说明的意思呢！
哪位大神来分析一下这题

作者: Forrest_Gu 时间: 2016-5-21 15:25
suggest在这里就是建议的意思吧

D错在as， The penal system should be reformed as penitentiaries. as做比较，system与penitentiaries比较illogical

作者: 亲爱的敌人 时间: 2016-5-21 23:00
非常感谢

作者: alzn2765 时间: 2016-5-22 21:37

Forrest_Gu 发表于 2016-5-21 15:25
suggest在这里就是建议的意思吧

D错在as， The penal system should be reformed as penitentiaries. as ...

我觉得这里as是介词，作为的意思，不是比较。

作者: alzn2765 时间: 2016-5-22 21:52
CD主要是逻辑意思不同：
suggest sb sth是“建议”的意思：
suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system 建议把penitentiary当a reform of the penal system用

suggest that是“表明”的意思：
suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries 表明penal system应当被reform。

也就是说，要看主句的内容是一个建议还是表明了什么事
从状语看Repelled by bodily punishments such as maiming and branding，对体罚感到厌恶，主句应该是建议新的惩罚方式比较合乎逻辑。所以选C不选D

作者: Forrest_Gu 时间: 2016-5-22 21:52

alzn2765 发表于 2016-5-22 21:37
我觉得这里as是介词，作为的意思，不是比较。

啊对，是作为，这里的as做介词，"Equation As"，=>penal system is penitentiaries ，同样还是illogical。

多谢指正～

作者: 亲爱的敌人 时间: 2016-5-22 22:12

alzn2765 发表于 2016-5-22 21:52
CD主要是逻辑意思不同：
suggest sb sth是“建议”的意思：
suggested the penitentiary as a reform of th ...

如果suggest that是表明的意思那后面就不应该用虚拟语气啊

作者: nmamazon 时间: 2016-5-25 02:31

亲爱的敌人发表于 2016-5-22 22:12
如果suggest that是表明的意思那后面就不应该用虚拟语气啊

这里是啊。 "suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries" 的 “be reformed” 不是过去时。“reformed” 这里是past participle，而这里的 verb 是 "to be"。在subjective mood里就是“be”。加起来，“be reformed” 就是 verb "to be" in subjunctive mood + past participle.

作者: 亲爱的敌人 时间: 2016-5-25 14:03

nmamazon 发表于 2016-5-25 02:31
这里是啊。 "suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries" 的 “be reformed” 不是 ...

完全糊涂了····不是should be吗？？

作者: nmamazon 时间: 2016-5-25 21:07

亲爱的敌人发表于 2016-5-25 14:03
完全糊涂了····不是should be吗？？

should 在 subjunctive mood 的结构里不是一定要有的。

我觉你可以完整地看这里关于subjunctive的指点：
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000031.htm
The subjunctive mood of the verb to be is be in the present tense and were in the past tense, regardless of what the subject is.
Sometimes we may use the conditional auxiliary verbs of could, should, or would to express the same sense.

Subjunctive:I wish he were kinder to me.
Conditional: I wish he would be kinder to me.

同时这里怎么解释should在subjunctive：
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/8913/which-makes-a-stronger-suggestion-subjunctive-or-should-clause
(i) It is important that she be reinstated immediately. [subjunctive]
(ii) It is important that she should be reinstated immediately. [tensed]
Per Oxford English Dictionary "should" firstly expresses advisability (as opposed to obligation), so I would think that the second sentence is weaker.

作者: 陆小鹿 时间: 2019-10-24 20:28

Forrest_Gu 发表于 2016-5-21 15:25
suggest在这里就是建议的意思吧

D错在as， The penal system should be reformed as penitentiaries. as ...

我怎么觉得as = 作为/是的意思，
D.也就是说 the penal system is penitentiary错误
C. penitentiary is a reform of the penal system

作者: 陆小鹿 时间: 2019-10-24 20:29

Forrest_Gu 发表于 2016-5-21 15:25
suggest在这里就是建议的意思吧

D错在as， The penal system should be reformed as penitentiaries. as ...

我怎么觉得as = 作为/是的意思，
D.也就是说 the penal system is penitentiary错误
C.penitentiary is a reform of the penal system

作者: 陆小鹿 时间: 2019-10-24 20:37
"Repelled by bodily punishments such as maiming and branding"
我可能有点傻再纠结逻辑主语为什么是人（Quakers）
repelled被排除，不应该是the idea of penitentiaries被排斥
如果逻辑主语是人的话，不应该是repelling么？

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